Hiring day laborers?

[+ DrownedBoy]

Anyone here who lives in a larger city, especially in California, is familiar with how immigrants often congregate at Home Depot, etc., to get paid day labor.

I've read (and assumed) that they are sometimes solicitated by gay men.

Has anyone ever done this? I understand both men and women have done this, although women are sometimes hit on by the laborers.

[Monarchy79]

I’ve used Day Laborers, for painting, landscaping work, and general contracting. They are great. 

They are not street hustlers for sex, and I recommend not propositioning them for such activities. 
 

 

 

[MikeBiDude]

2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Anyone here who lives in a larger city, especially in California, is familiar with how immigrants often congregate at Home Depot, etc., to get paid day labor.

I've read (and assumed) that they are sometimes solicitated by gay men.

Has anyone ever done this? I understand both men and women have done this, although women are sometimes hit on by the laborers.

Search the site (entire site) for keyword “bracero” there is at least one fairly long rambling string there from a few years ago with some info, including a link to a good (but likely dated) research project on braceros being approached for sexual hire.

[+ PhileasFogg]

Personally, I view this as disrespectful to solicit working men for sex.  My view is that there’s a number of inexpensive ways they could put themselves out there if that’s something they wanted to do. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

27 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

Search the site (entire site) for keyword “bracero” there is at least one fairly long rambling string there from a few years ago with some info, including a link to a good (but likely dated) research project on braceros being approached for sexual hire.

I couldn't find anything during the search on CoM but I recall reading a research study. However, the study was only based on interviews

[misterhumphries]

2 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

I’ve used Day Laborers, for painting, landscaping work, and general contracting. They are great. 

They are not street hustlers for sex, and I recommend not propositioning them for such activities. 
 

 

 

YES! Most of them, from the ones I've seen around Lowes and Home Depot speak minimal English. It's taking advantage of desperate men in the worst way. It's a type of sex trafficking. 

Don't even think about it.

[BuffaloKyle]

I'm sure it happens. The prospect of making some easy money I'm sure is tempting enough for some.

[misterhumphries]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloKyle said:

I'm sure it happens. The prospect of making some easy money I'm sure is tempting enough for some.

Lawless, risky, selfish acts happen every second of every minute of every day. It doesn't make it right or prudent.

[MikeBiDude]

57 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I couldn't find anything during the search on CoM but I recall reading a research study. However, the study was only based on interviews

Comes up around page 5 of this old thread:

 

[Simon Suraci]

I hire day laborers through neighbor referrals and from the Home Depot crowd. It’s very common for homeowners and contractors to hire them in California.

For sex though, I feel like it’s predatory to solicit these guys. They are very hard working and honest people, in my experience. If they wanted to make some quick money turning tricks, they certainly would find a way. A lot of them really do need the money badly. Some live multiple families to one housing unit and struggle to pay for living expenses. One of my guys actually just quit because he is moving to another state to reduce his expenses. 

Like much of the population, most of the migrant workers are not cut out to be good escorts. It takes a lot of concurrent qualities, skills, interests, and willingness to take on sex work. Like most of us in the US, a lot of them wouldn’t consider sex work based on religious or moral reasons. Machismo culture in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America is certainly a deterring factor. To sleep with men for money is demoralizing and humiliating. Plus they might not be good at it. Besides looks and cultural influences, it takes a lot to be a good male sex worker. 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Simon Suraci
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[+ PhileasFogg]

28 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

 

For sex though, I feel like it’s predatory to solicit these guys. They are very hard working and honest people, in my experience.

I agree!  History is full of revolutions fought over such exploitation 

edited to add:  even is they accede to the offer, it is exploitation because their agreement may be provoked by the desperation of their situation.  

Edited October 27, 2024 by PhileasFogg

[pubic_assistance]

4 hours ago, Monarchy79 said:

I’ve used Day Laborers, for painting, landscaping work, and general contracting. They are great. 

They are not street hustlers for sex, and I recommend not propositioning them for such activities. 
 

I have to say, I have always defended the rights of people to engage in sex work.

But their right is to CHOOSE to engage in sex work through their own volition.

Taking advantage of people who are poor and desperate and might not be otherwise comfortable selling sexual favors is beyond WRONG.

Edited October 27, 2024 by pubic_assistance
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[+ DrownedBoy]

11 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

Comes up around page 5 of this old thread:

 

That study isn't good. According to this, there's only a 9.4% chance that a propositioned day laborer is going to put out. Not good odds.

As for everyone who used the word "exploitation"....😂 Do you have any idea of the backgrounds of the Latino escorts you hire? Do you have any experience in the landscaping industry? You guys have no idea...

[+ JamesB]

In my opinion, trying to exploit people who are poor and desperate, and who might otherwise feel uncomfortable selling sexual favors, is completely unacceptable.

[marylander1940]

15 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

Search the site (entire site) for keyword “bracero” there is at least one fairly long rambling string there from a few years ago with some info, including a link to a good (but likely dated) research project on braceros being approached for sexual hire.

I remember that long now expired thread. Let's face it.... how does the average migrant looking for a job at home Depot looks like.  We all have different taste but how many of them could run an ad in RM.

When it comes to recent arrivals of asylum seekers from Venezuela's upper class it's a very different story, they tend to be taller, HWP and "whiter".

They were mentioned on a different thread I think.

 

Edited October 27, 2024 by marylander1940

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

When it comes to recent arrivals of asylum seekers from Venezuela's upper class it's a very different story, they tend to be taller, HWP and "whiter".

A Huge White Penis (HWP) is definitely an asset, but not required, for escorting 😉 

As the saying goes:  Those who can, escort.  Those who can't, drive ride share or day labor.

[marylander1940]

4 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

A Huge White Penis (HWP) is definitely an asset, but not required, for escorting 😉 

As the saying goes:  Those who can, escort.  Those who can't, drive ride share or day labor.

For the 10th time!

Urban Dictionary: HWP

WWW.URBANDICTIONARY.COM

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Height Weight Proportional this acronym is often used in personal ads.

 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

13 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

For the 10th time!

Urban Dictionary: HWP

WWW.URBANDICTIONARY.COM

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Height Weight Proportional this acronym is often used in personal ads.

 

Urban Dictionary: HWP

WWW.URBANDICTIONARY.COM

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Height Weight Proportional this acronym is often used in personal ads.

 

From the link provided, 2nd definition:

HWP

Acronym for "Huge White Penis."

"Wow, I wanna fuck Johnny Sins, he has a HWP."

"I only give blowjobs to men with a HWP."

"I have an HWP, do you want to see it?"

 

The "Height Weight Proportionate" use is so 20 years ago

Edited October 27, 2024 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ DrownedBoy]

37 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

As the saying goes:  Those who can, escort.  Those who can't, drive ride share or day labor.

I think that's a little unfair. It's also wrong - I've seen with my own eyes that day laborers have absolutely no problem sleeping with older white women for little to no money. I understand the whole machismo culture thing, but I don't think there's any place for it here.

All providers need the money. Let's not get into exploitation. Everyone who hires a day laborer, even to mow their lawn, is exploiting them according to that logic. So is anyone who hires a provider for sex. This whole idea that somehow "sex work" is more exploitive stems from sexual attitudes that belong to the Victorian Era.

Unfortunately, with Hispanic lay laborers, as that study indicated, gay sex work is still taboo (not that I'd pay them for anal sex; I'd pay them to beat the crap out of me; try calling that exploitation). But because of that machismo attitude, it's probably best to first see if any of them are on Grindr. That's a free way for them to "put themselves on the market," and allows a quick way to verify which workers are willing.

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Urban Dictionary: HWP

WWW.URBANDICTIONARY.COM

---

Height Weight Proportional this acronym is often used in personal ads.

 

From the link provided, 2nd definition:

HWP

Acronym for "Huge White Penis."

"Wow, I wanna fuck Johnny Sins, he has a HWP."

"I only give blowjobs to men with a HWP."

"I have an HWP, do you want to see it?"

 

The "Height Weight Proportionate" use is so 20 years ago

Maybe it's a politically incorrect expression now. 

[Monarchy79]

In all seriousness, how low must one go, in soliciting others for sex. 

I’m guessing the next thread will be about cruising the streets for mentally-ill homeless men, seeing how cheap their tricks can be….. 😒

[+ azdr0710]

3 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I think that's a little unfair. It's also wrong - I've seen with my own eyes that day laborers have absolutely no problem sleeping with older white women for little to no money. I understand the whole machismo culture thing, but I don't think there's any place for it here.

All providers need the money. Let's not get into exploitation. Everyone who hires a day laborer, even to mow their lawn, is exploiting them according to that logic. So is anyone who hires a provider for sex. This whole idea that somehow "sex work" is more exploitive stems from sexual attitudes that belong to the Victorian Era.

Unfortunately, with Hispanic lay laborers, as that study indicated, gay sex work is still taboo (not that I'd pay them for anal sex; I'd pay them to beat the crap out of me; try calling that exploitation). But because of that machismo attitude, it's probably best to first see if any of them are on Grindr. That's a free way for them to "put themselves on the market," and allows a quick way to verify which workers are willing.

That was a joke, son. 

Edited October 27, 2024 by azdr0710

[nate_sf]

I agree it seems predatory to solicit day laborers for sex when they're out there looking for more conventional labor gigs. Sex work is not the same thing as hauling, landscaping, etc. It's a big leap, and gets into things like their sexual identity, family and marital status, etc.

I'd expect if a guy was hired for a conventional labor gig and was interested in providing sexual services, he'd make it known, especially if he knows the client is gay. But otherwise it's too much of a leap.

The other thing is I've found the guys tend to cluster together at the hiring sites. That's probably as much for their own safety more than anything. So it would be weird to go up to a group of guys to solicit.

This just seems more like fantasy fodder.

[Monarchy79]

3 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

All providers need the money. Let's not get into exploitation. Everyone who hires a day laborer, even to mow their lawn, is exploiting them according to that logic. So is anyone who hires a provider for sex. This whole idea that somehow "sex work" is more exploitive stems from sexual attitudes that belong to the Victorian Era.

Ummm No….

Many construction, landscaping and other companies search for day laborers and wind up hiring them for full time work. Some companies even assist them with obtaining citizenship (for those who are undocumented ) Further, individuals who hire them, refer them to others and they build their own independent clientele. 
Plus, a day laborer is getting cash in-hand, without taxes or the middle-man (employer), talking their cut…..everybody wins. Therefore, this is NOT exploitation. 

In terms of sexual exploitation, we ALL know good and damned well that you’re not anticipating paying a day laborer the $300 + hourly rate, that you’d be required to pay a confirmed professional escort. 

That’s what makes your intentions exploitative. Looking for a cheaper means to get your rocks off, assuming that a day laborer is willing to ignore his own values to appease your sexual proclivities.

being in a higher socio-economic status than someone else, doesn’t give you the right to dangle cash in their face, in exchange for you to suck their dicks. 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Monarchy79

[+ DrownedBoy]

33 minutes ago, nate_sf said:

This just seems more like fantasy fodder.

So it turned out! I Googled the word "bracero" and ended up with links to a lot of porn involving said workers. I should have guessed.

Either way, based on that study, it is a fantasy.