Boaxxx Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I have always given five star reviews even when the massage was more like a 4 or 3.5. Only once did I give a 3 star review based on very factual events, not personal attacks. The massage was simply lackluster, the masseur was late/overslept ( I was going to his location and had to wait outside for approximately 15 minutes), the room was very small (not much bigger than the mattress which was on the floor), the room was also a mess which negatively impacted the atmosphere and the masseur seemed extremely bored and kept checking his phone constantly. I provided an honest review so others were aware. As a result I was contacted multiple times to take down the review because all of his other reviews were five star. He even offered me another massage for free which I thanked him but said I was not interested. That made him even more upset, not understanding why I would not want another free massage. As a result he blocked me and now has multiple ads/profiles running with different names and pictures. Now I'm hesitant to give honest reviews for average or less than average service (non five star) and just skip the review entirely. What are others experience/thoughts? acks0104, pubic_assistance, + Socalguy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloKyle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I wish RM let you give 1/2 star reviews. I've given all 5 star reviews to providers I have hired even though most of them were more like 4 1/2. That's why I love the forum. A member was inquiring about a provider I had hired and I was able to give him a good detailed pm about my experience. harlow, + Pensant, Moke and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viewing ownly Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 It seems rather simple to me : just don't write a review. A guy who had been advertising for many, many years had zero reviews, which I found to be odd. I saw him, and my experience was all I needed to know why nobody had anything nice to say. When you're late, critical of my hiring time frame, talk partisan politics when I haven't started, self-laugh at jokes continuously, being oblivious that I'm not laughing, and stop my massage right on the hour instead of compensating for the lateness, I'm not leaving a review, either! Jamie21 and + nycman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ azdr0710 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 starred reviews have become such a "thing" within the internet and social media....hotels, restaurants, everything......"how many stars on Google??"....... it's no secret that many review-ees think anything less than five stars is equivalent to zero stars......a four-star review is nearly excellent and may only reflect a minor glitch or a difference in opinion.......but to have that pristine run of five-star reviews broken is apparently devastating to many......and too many reviewers are leaving five-star reviews who also think anything less is an insult....it's not @Boaxxx if all you mentioned is true about his work ethic and space, you did nothing wrong....please continue to leave honest reviews as you see appropriate Simon Suraci, peter831, + nycman and 4 others 1 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaxxx Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 4 hours ago, viewing ownly said: It seems rather simple to me : just don't write a review. A guy who had been advertising for many, many years had zero reviews, which I found to be odd. I saw him, and my experience was all I needed to know why nobody had anything nice to say. When you're late, critical of my hiring time frame, talk partisan politics when I haven't started, self-laugh at jokes continuously, being oblivious that I'm not laughing, and stop my massage right on the hour instead of compensating for the lateness, I'm not leaving a review, either! I just seems if only five star reviews are left then it may be be an accurate reflection of the masseur. I didn't leave the review to hurt the provider but rather to share my experience with other potential clients. And yes, I understand that I can simply not right a review and let everyone find out for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I don’t write reviews unless I’m genuinely super happy. Or super unhappy, and rarely in those cases, mainly as unless there is anything dangerous to others, I want to break ties and be done with it. The reviews clearly mean something as the follow up from providers afterward (either “please leave a review” or “please take down or edit your review”) can get invasive. And I still find it amusing that many providers just don’t seem to get that I may have had a less than perfect experience. More than one supposedly established and well-regarded provider has offered men a free session if I wrote a positive review or took down something that wasn’t perfect. + nycman, harlow and peter831 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloyo215 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 13 hours ago, Boaxxx said: I have always given five star reviews even when the massage was more like a 4 or 3.5. Only once did I give a 3 star review based on very factual events, not personal attacks. The massage was simply lackluster, the masseur was late/overslept ( I was going to his location and had to wait outside for approximately 15 minutes), the room was very small (not much bigger than the mattress which was on the floor), the room was also a mess which negatively impacted the atmosphere and the masseur seemed extremely bored and kept checking his phone constantly. I provided an honest review so others were aware. As a result I was contacted multiple times to take down the review because all of his other reviews were five star. He even offered me another massage for free which I thanked him but said I was not interested. That made him even more upset, not understanding why I would not want another free massage. As a result he blocked me and now has multiple ads/profiles running with different names and pictures. Now I'm hesitant to give honest reviews for average or less than average service (non five star) and just skip the review entirely. What are others experience/thoughts? You shouldn't be. Taking down the profile and coming up with a new one is actually a practice that I have seen several providers incurring in. An honest, objective review is precisely the purpose of having reviews in the website, not for others to be mislead to believe that every single client is satisfied with the service. I don't necessarily believe a specific good/bad review, but I do get a good idea of what to expect when I read all or most reviews, mostly because I started seeing patterns and themes. If you get a bad experience, it is ok to give a bad review. However, it's always going to be subjective. Some people consider a "bad experience" things that are not important at all to others. So your review might be influential to those who just take them as factual information, or who will think that they will have the exact same experience. I gave bad reviews to two providers, one of them was a terrible experience, terrible massage, terrible facilities, terrible atmosphere (the Steve Wilkos show in the backgrounbd) and discovered a camera pointing at me. There's no way that I would have given a good review simply because he might come back to me complaining. The other one was also a bad and unprofessional experience, there were people passing by as I was receiving the massage, and the place was a mess, not to mention how bad the massage was. The first bad review guy disappeared, is no longer in the website, and the second guy changed his profile several times, then disappeared. It's not ok to give a good review if you didn't get the desired experience. However, I know well that some people can't provide meaningful reviews, so it's not that people will/should take your review as law. pubic_assistance and + KensingtonHomo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Suraci Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 To be meaningful, reviews need to include facts as well as opinions. “It was good” or “Waste of time” are not descriptive enough. Focus on facts about your experience. A few negative points: Tardiness, poor atmosphere such as TV on, loud noises, other people present, bad smells, unclean spaces, clutter, distractions like the provider constantly checking phone, leaving the room during the massage, unskilled work, inappropriate massage equipment like mattress on the floor, cutting your time short, rudeness, uninvited discussions of politics or religion or conspiracy theories, etc. Provider says or does something racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. Charging more than agreed upon rates (assuming no upselling). High pressure upselling behavior. Violence, threats, stalking, not showing up, ghosting, failing to communicate, doesn’t look like his photos, photos are outdated by many years, inaccurate massage description, etc… These are just some of many things you could say in a review to make it more meaningful. Giving 1-4 stars with little or no commentary means almost nothing. Positive reviews also need concrete details to be meaningful. Focus on facts as well as how the experience made you feel. A few positive points: Technical skills are as expected or better, starts on time, unrushed, friendly demeanor, accurate photos and descriptions, goes the whole time, uses appropriate equipment and supplies, accommodates client needs, space is clean, inviting, relaxing, private, safe, tidy, etc. Restroom and shower are available, provider offers water, smell in the space is neutral or pleasant, temperature is comfortable, etc… Find what made your experience positive and write that. 5 stars means nothing other than the client presumably enjoyed it. The reason he enjoyed it could simply be that the provider was hot or got him off, or offered a discount, or 5 stars means to the client: perfectly adequate and meets expectations. Other clients reserve 5 stars only for truly excellent service. 4 stars is still positive. Whatever you rate, explain with as much focus on facts as possible why you chose the rating you did. Then explain how the experience made you feel. For RentMen, these are a bit of a reach considering most clients provide little to no descriptive feedback. For masseur sites, you get a wider variety. Reviews are only as meaningful as the context they offer. Weigh each review accordingly. harlow, Njguy2, Jamie21 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Perhaps a related question, are bad reviews the main or only reason providers change their profiles? Even with fake ages there’s not much to change or try to eradicate from client memory.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvwnsd Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, DWnyc said: Perhaps a related question, are bad reviews the main or only reason providers change their profiles?... There is no single answer to this question. Many providers change their names due to negative feedback and/or reviews. However, I have seen several escorts who changed their names because elements of their name (such as location) were no longer relevant after relocating. One in particular had "NYC" in his name prior to his moving to LA. He changed it to reflect his new locale. There are also escorts who signed up with a name like [fill in the blank]boi/boy and simply outgrow the name. I can also think of at least half dozen guys who signed up as "hairy/smooth[fill in the blank] and then decided to shave or grow their body hair and others who signed up as [fill in the blank] twink and then aged/muscled up out of the name. Check out some of the comments in The Deli and you will see members comment on names being incongruous with pictures. All that being said, RM no longer allows escorts to change their names. They certainly could delete their prior account and create a new one, but that would result in them starting from scratch and appearing as a new escort. Simon Suraci, DWnyc and soloyo215 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie21 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Very few clients provide reviews in my experience. I’d rather if they’re happy that they come back. I do appreciate a review but I suspect that many potential clients are a bit suspicious of profiles with lots of glowing reviews. Massage is a very personal service, one client my love my style and approach, another not so much. As long as there’s nothing unprofessional about how I go about the work (and I’m sure there isn’t or I wouldn’t have been going for 5 years + with lots of regular clients) then I’d rather clients didn’t leave a review. If there’s something they really didn’t like I’d prefer to know it direct so that I can fix it. Edited January 11 by Jamie21 Simon Suraci and spidir 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ APPLE1 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 All other things being near equal in 2 or more profiles, I am typically going to go to the profile that doesn't have exclusively 5 star reviews. Because I believe you can't please all of the people all of the time, I see no red flags in a providers with some 3 or 4 star reviews. Hell, even the occasional 1 or 2 star review just makes me realize that some people are never happy. Overall, it gives me some semblance of faith that the 5 star reviews are genuine, versus made up or altered after some quid pro quo like a free session. I have had some of my best experiences with providers who weren't on page 1 or 2, and who didn't have unending 5 star reviews. Simon Suraci, + KensingtonHomo and Lotus-eater 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Monroe Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 I can’t find the exact article, but it’s not just our services. Have you ever tried to give a 3 or 4 star review on Uber/lyft/whatever and they say WHY? So you’re pressured into leaving 5 starts so they leave you alone? anything less than stellar reviews impacts RMs business too, not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Monroe Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 My ads were off for a year, because I was going through significant health issues (still going through them but less now). someone messaged me and said “great ad, but why has it been over a year since you’ve had a review?” Besides the health issues, reviews are SIGNIFICANTLY hard to come by unless you literally beg for them. So they’re not the be all end all. + azdr0710, Simon Suraci and + KensingtonHomo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloKyle Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 32 minutes ago, Shawn Monroe said: someone messaged me and said “great ad, but why has it been over a year since you’ve had a review?” Plus only premium members can leave reviews. I don't have a constant premium membership going all the time so the last couple guys I hired I had to wait a few months before I reupped my membership and could leave them a review. You have to lie then too and say the meetup was in the past two weeks of your submit date or it'll reject it. big-n-tall, caramelsub and Simon Suraci 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidir Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 53 minutes ago, BuffaloKyle said: Plus only premium members can leave reviews. I don't have a constant premium membership going all the time so the last couple guys I hired I had to wait a few months before I reupped my membership and could leave them a review. You have to lie then too and say the meetup was in the past two weeks of your submit date or it'll reject it. Good point! I find this forum with the option of private messages to be more reliable than RM stars. BuffaloKyle and Simon Suraci 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Suraci Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 This topic makes me think of the 2016 Black Mirror episode Nosedive. So interesting how the pervasive reviews dynamic affects our whole world and permeates our lives more and more as time goes on. Nosedive (Black Mirror) - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Bokomaru, soloyo215 and + azdr0710 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloyo215 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said: This topic makes me think of the 2016 Black Mirror episode Nosedive. So interesting how the pervasive reviews dynamic affects our whole world and permeates our lives more and more as time goes on. Nosedive (Black Mirror) - Wikipedia EN.M.WIKIPEDIA.ORG Loved that episode. Well made. And I agree about people giving too much weight to reviews that can't be fully objective, can be quite inaccurate and can be fake. Simon Suraci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdipper Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I find the best reviews are left with $$$… we keep returning to the excellent providers and skip the poor performing ones! Simon Suraci and + bashful 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Socalguy Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/10/2024 at 4:43 PM, Boaxxx said: I have always given five star reviews even when the massage was more like a 4 or 3.5. Only once did I give a 3 star review based on very factual events, not personal attacks. The massage was simply lackluster, the masseur was late/overslept ( I was going to his location and had to wait outside for approximately 15 minutes), the room was very small (not much bigger than the mattress which was on the floor), the room was also a mess which negatively impacted the atmosphere and the masseur seemed extremely bored and kept checking his phone constantly. I provided an honest review so others were aware. As a result I was contacted multiple times to take down the review because all of his other reviews were five star. He even offered me another massage for free which I thanked him but said I was not interested. That made him even more upset, not understanding why I would not want another free massage. As a result he blocked me and now has multiple ads/profiles running with different names and pictures. Now I'm hesitant to give honest reviews for average or less than average service (non five star) and just skip the review entirely. What are others experience/thoughts? In your particular case, I think you acted appropriately if the review was based on the facts (messy room, mattress on the floor, etc.). Had it just been him checking his phone or seeming bored, I think him offering a free massage would have been an excellent gesture of goodwill and he would have deserved a second chance since everyone can have an off day but a second chance wouldn't have fixed the mattress or the messy room. When reading reviews, I find the 3 and 4 star reviews the most compelling as they seem to be more fact based as opposed to one star reviews which can seem like a hit job sometimes or the five stars (although I do read them for hints of juicy action) that seem too fanboyish. Boaxxx and Simon Suraci 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ nycman Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I’m pissed I have a 4.89 rating on Uber. Ok, I may have drunkenly made out with an insanely hot guy in the back of an Uber once. Sue me! I didn’t take a fucking dump in the back seat for Christ’s sake!. Fuck, I’ve never even slammed a car door or been pissed when they get lost. Still, 4.89! It’s funny how much weight we as a society place on "perfection". I recently had an Uber driver with over 2,000 reviews and a perfect 5 star rating. He was fine, certainly nothing spectacular. I almost wanted to give him a 1 star review just to make him join the rest of us swimming in the "Swamp of Imperfection". All that to say, I don’t do RM reviews. I prefer the intel I get from the Company of Men here. Simon Suraci, + Coolwave35 and + azdr0710 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ KensingtonHomo Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 21 hours ago, Shawn Monroe said: someone messaged me and said “great ad, but why has it been over a year since you’ve had a review?” Besides the health issues, reviews are SIGNIFICANTLY hard to come by unless you literally beg for them. So they’re not the be all end all. This is why I try to leave a review for everyone we see, unless it was a negative experience because I'm not going to be dishonest. Simon Suraci 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Coolwave35 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) I ONLY leave positive, 5 star reviews, in this world and in life. I put my company logo as my business profile image on my google account and review anyone that does work with me. My company logo pops up next to hundreds of positive comments about local businesses and people just love associating the positivity and kind words alongside my company. I get comments about it all the time so people realize. I love when people ask for a review, both escorts, masseurs and business people. See attached. It shows the hustle. My only exception to the 5 star is if there were drugs involved or a session could put someone else in danger. Then I spill the beans. Edited January 14 by Coolwave35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaWest Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Thanks to scammers, bots, and the stupid…ratings on the web (a/k/a internet) are largely USELESS, including reviews on Ramen or RMass. To find meaningful, detailed, reviews on anything on the web right now , e.g., household appliances, is challenging. Too many 5-stars reviews, and so much conflicting information! [end] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boaxxx Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 10 hours ago, Socalguy said: In your particular case, I think you acted appropriately if the review was based on the facts (messy room, mattress on the floor, etc.). Had it just been him checking his phone or seeming bored, I think him offering a free massage would have been an excellent gesture of goodwill and he would have deserved a second chance since everyone can have an off day but a second chance wouldn't have fixed the mattress or the messy room. When reading reviews, I find the 3 and 4 star reviews the most compelling as they seem to be more fact based as opposed to one star reviews which can seem like a hit job sometimes or the five stars (although I do read them for hints of juicy action) that seem too fanboyish. What bugged me regarding my "negative" review is the fact that I was not bashing the guy. If I wanted to do that then I would have given a one-star review. Most one-star review that I have read are filled with emotion and more of a hit piece. + Socalguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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