Providers that screwed you over

[Rudynate]

Not long ago, I had one screw me.  He wasn't a pro -  more like a guy who is monetizing his sex life.  He hit me up on IG, saying right up front that he was a sex worker.  I never met him in person, so I don't know if his pics were real, but it they were he was very much my kind of guy - Latin, muscles, hairy chest, beard.  He wanted payment upfront, which I have never encountered, but I thought, "why not?" His fee was only going to be 200.00 for an open-ended session. First he wanted me to use cashapp to pay him.  My bank won't accept charges from offshore payment processors, so that was a no go. Then he suggested Paypal and I said "great," and sent him 200.00.  He kept telling me that he hadnt received the money.  I called Paypal and they said "no, the money was deposited into his account."   I was beginning to tire of the whole thing, so I told him he would have to work it out at his end because the money had already been paid from my account and I was done.  I told him to email me if he located the funds and we could schedule a date.  So that's it - not very dramatic.  

[+ Kman]

7 minutes ago, Mrprofessional said:

The risks are too high for me — even with those upsides. I sometimes have the money in an envelope that I just set on the dresser as I’m walking out the door so there’s no real discussion.  “This is for you”. 
 

Also sometimes what we thought we were going to do — turns into something more — and sometimes I want to pay more at the end. So there’s that. Paying up front doesn t make sense in that scenario. 
 

Bottom line: not saying you’re wrong - paying before just has some significant risks. 😬

Yes I understand there is a risk.  Each time I’ve paid first there has been at least some small talk, a hug…so if it was an immediate request like before I even entered the room I’d probably walk away…and for the most part they had great reviews from here and RM…there was one time I paid first and did make me a little nervous because there was very little talk of him on here but he turned out to be one of my best hires

[coriolis888]

On 7/30/2023 at 4:33 PM, Cliff said:

You’re speaking about Andrew Justice, a favorite escort of many. I saw him twice in years past. Lovely guy. Huge tool. Even bigger smile. Miss that guy!

Andrew Justice - IMDb

WWW.IMDB.COM

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Known for: Barnstorm, Vanished, Rush & Release

 

[coriolis888]

On 7/31/2023 at 9:49 AM, KrisParr said:

 He continued to receive positive reviews for a couple of years. Still befuddles me to this day. 

Continuing to receive positive reviews has many factors attached to it.  The rentmen sites are there to make money.  If a paying provider threatens to cancel his ad, often the site will remove a negative review in order to keep the paying provider.  

If a provider is new and has basic service, the negative review will stay a while.  

Do not rely heavily on reviews when chosing a provider.  

There are exceptions where a provider has many positive reviews but one bad review slips through.   After a while, the one bad reviews will magically disappear.  

Reviews are nice but only offer guidance in deciding which provider to contact.   From there, it is luck.  

 

 

[coriolis888]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I have made deposits for overnights but I will never pay upfront! 

 

? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

Not trying to be difficult but I am puzzled by your post.  

Isn't making a deposit (money paid in advance of a meeting) equal to paying upfront?  

In both cases, the provider has your money prior to the two of you getting together.  

[marylander1940]

4 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

? ? ? ? ? ? ? 

Not trying to be difficult but I am puzzled by your post.  

Isn't making a deposit (money paid in advance of a meeting) equal to paying upfront?  

In both cases, the provider has your money prior to the two of you getting together.  

man you love to dig, don't you?

Is a reservation for the provider to leave some time off. It's a common practice for trips also! I've only done with those I have met and trust and not with new hires. They didn't screw me because they were gentlemen, and also saw me as a regular and wanted me to come back over and over again. 

[Cooper]

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[+ DrownedBoy]

On 8/15/2023 at 3:57 PM, coriolis888 said:

Reviews are nice but only offer guidance in deciding which provider to contact.   From there, it is luck.  

Very true. My policy is to give 5 stars as long as the provider did what I asked, got me off, and didn't cheat me.

You have to actually contact me in private to get the dirt. Or at least wait until CoM's review system is back online. I have a loooooot of writing to do.

[robberbaron4u]

Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. . .sadly, "escorting" is the refuge of cads, bounders and ne'er-do-wells; and, the very nature of the business invites grift. However, glowing the reviews, an intial "hire" is a purely speculative venture which is why I insist on a seated luncheon, at my expense, as an "interview". Too, I do not give before I get. Plainly put, the "hire" is on my terms and conditions.  Period.  

[SometimesBi]

On 8/15/2023 at 12:39 PM, Rudynate said:

Then he suggested Paypal and I said "great," and sent him 200.00.  He kept telling me that he hadnt received the money.  I called Paypal and they said "no, the money was deposited into his account." 

Too bad you didn't use PayPal Good&Services. Otherwise PayPal would have returned your money. 

[Guest]

On 8/15/2023 at 12:39 PM, Rudynate said:

... He wanted payment upfront, which I have never encountered, but I thought, "why not?" ....

I take that you've since figured out "why not."

[soloyo215]

This is an interesting thread. My two cents:

I haven't had any experiences that made my personal safety feel threatened. However, I am fairly new to all this and consequently had experiences that were not that great. Mostly dismissive, unprofessional and dissatisfying.

I booked this mature gentleman in NYC for an hour, and his place was filthy and in disarray.  He was friendly and personable, but a few minutes into our appointment, in come these two guys, visitors of him, he explained, that needed to pass by us to the bedroom where they were staying. Of course, major mood killer. Attempting to get back to business, a few more minutes later I heard them passing again "because they needed the bathroom". I decided to stop, pay and leave. I gave him a bad review, paying close attention to my adjectives and adverbs, attempting at describing the situation as objectively as possible. A few days later, his add disappeared. Then he came back to both websites for escorts and masseurs with a different name.

The other one was one of those "donation up front" (as I said, I still consider myself in the learning curve of this) for a 90-minute massage. It was in Columbus, OH. His "massage" setup look more like he was going to perform an illegal abortion, a mattress on the floor and all the furniture covered. I was received with the Steven Wilkos Show blasting on the TV, and his massage materials consisted of some 99 cents store cream. He just rubbed my lower back for about 15 minutes, and here's the worst part. I turned to tell him that my body has other parts than my lower back, and when I turned to talk to him, I saw a camera on the wall, pointing directly at me. Needless to say, my internal reaction was the expected WTF, but my survival instincts told me to slowly, politely and calmly end the session. I did, and we had a friendly departure. Of course, I gave him a bad review, and he replied only to the part of my review that "it was me who ended the session early". At least he didn't accuse me of lying about everything else.

Fool me once, shame on you. Lessons learned. In fact, I wish I discovered this site before.

[robberbaron4u]

On 8/27/2023 at 11:53 AM, soloyo215 said:

This is an interesting thread. My two cents:

I haven't had any experiences that made my personal safety feel threatened. However, I am fairly new to all this and consequently had experiences that were not that great. Mostly dismissive, unprofessional and dissatisfying.

I booked this mature gentleman in NYC for an hour, and his place was filthy and in disarray.  He was friendly and personable, but a few minutes into our appointment, in come these two guys, visitors of him, he explained, that needed to pass by us to the bedroom where they were staying. Of course, major mood killer. Attempting to get back to business, a few more minutes later I heard them passing again "because they needed the bathroom". I decided to stop, pay and leave. I gave him a bad review, paying close attention to my adjectives and adverbs, attempting at describing the situation as objectively as possible. A few days later, his add disappeared. Then he came back to both websites for escorts and masseurs with a different name.

The other one was one of those "donation up front" (as I said, I still consider myself in the learning curve of this) for a 90-minute massage. It was in Columbus, OH. His "massage" setup look more like he was going to perform an illegal abortion, a mattress on the floor and all the furniture covered. I was received with the Steven Wilkos Show blasting on the TV, and his massage materials consisted of some 99 cents store cream. He just rubbed my lower back for about 15 minutes, and here's the worst part. I turned to tell him that my body has other parts than my lower back, and when I turned to talk to him, I saw a camera on the wall, pointing directly at me. Needless to say, my internal reaction was the expected WTF, but my survival instincts told me to slowly, politely and calmly end the session. I did, and we had a friendly departure. Of course, I gave him a bad review, and he replied only to the part of my review that "it was me who ended the session early". At least he didn't accuse me of lying about everything else.

Fool me once, shame on you. Lessons learned. In fact, I wish I discovered this site before.

With a new "hire", a policy of "don't give until you receive" should be given serious consideration.

[ICTJOCK]

I find this really a great conversation.    I'm an educated and professional person.  My side work as an escort should reflect who and what I want to convey.   That means the basics.  Clean,  fresh,  on time,  rested and a positive attitude toward the client.    Sounds pretty basic for any kind of business doesn't it?

If a provider "entertains" a client,  the home or meeting place should reflect that professionalism.   If you can't make the booking or aren't sure what the schedule is,  the need to communicate that beforehand is important.    The client shouldn't ever wonder what is expected as far as the basics of the service itself.

In the end,  the effort made by the provider for his client to have a great time,  is satisfied,  got his money worth and ..... would come back!

[soloyo215]

10 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I'm an educated and professional person.  My side work as an escort should reflect who and what I want to convey.   That means the basics.  Clean,  fresh,  on time,  rested and a positive attitude toward the client.    Sounds pretty basic for any kind of business doesn't it?

I agree. Unfortunately this is not exactly a regulated profession that required standards or code of ethics. Even in regulated professions we find bad apples. We certainly need professionals like you. An we should endorse and support them.

[coriolis888]

12 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I'm an educated and professional person.  My side work as an escort should reflect who and what I want to convey.   That means the basics.  Clean,  fresh,  on time,  rested and a positive attitude toward the client.    Sounds pretty basic for any kind of business doesn't it?

In the end,  the effort made by the provider for his client to have a great time,  is satisfied,  got his money worth and ..... would come back!

This type of provider is as rare as a hen's tooth.

[DWnyc]

On 8/1/2023 at 8:04 PM, Pd1_jap said:

JosephFit, goes by a new name, offered me a discount for prepaying two at once. He magically was never able to find time for a second appointment. 

 

Experienced that twice before refusing anyone any advance payments going forward 

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

I agree. Unfortunately this is not exactly a regulated profession that required standards or code of ethics. Even in regulated professions we find bad apples. We certainly need professionals like you. An we should endorse and support them.

Well it’s easy to say all this - any business whether a company or an individual can claim this or its equivalent. The proof is in successive repeated verifiable experiences measured against common standards.

 

 

[soloyo215]

10 hours ago, DWnyc said:

The proof is in successive repeated verifiable experiences measured against common standards.

 

 

And those standards in this line of work are...?

[Archangel]

On 8/1/2023 at 8:04 PM, Pd1_jap said:

JosephFit, goes by a new name, offered me a discount for prepaying two at once. He magically was never able to find time for a second appointment. 

 

But, but, but…

It’s clients who waste time! 

[Nodalguy]

My policy now is that I don't pay deposits, but on the one occasion that I did (that I can remember), the guy ended up really being a piece of work and jerking me around. Canceled the night before on me (I found out later, based on his reviews, to go to a different city to meet up with a client for an overnight but probably mainly so he could get rid of a recent bad review).

Then his pricing ended up changing all the time and getting more expensive. I really should have just killed it there and asked for my money back (since he canceled on me) or given him a bad review. Finally, when it came time to meet up, I had to travel about 75 minutes on two buses to get to a really shady part of town. The trip home was also pretty eventful and not fun because of some transit work service outages.

And there was a roommate at his place where he was hosting! We didn't end up meeting for anywhere near the full time agreed (at the end he was leaving to go somewhere, so I question whether he ever intended to spend the full time). I was a bit out of it so didn't notice we'd only spent half the time until I checked my phone on the walk to the train. He also didn't partake in the party at all (probably because he had those plans that cut our meeting short), which made things a lot less fun.

Other red flags (that I experienced only after paying deposit):

• He had a setting on the messenger app we used that deletes all our messages after only 24 hours. 
• He had multiple Cash App accounts.
• Wanted me to send him a huge amount (additional to deposit) in advance so that he could get a friend to join when I said it would be fun to have another guy.
• Constantly changing prices with seemingly no recollection of prior arrangements and prices agreed or consistency between them. He also seemed to totally forget about the deposit and his prices did not seem to reflect that I'd already sent him 200.
• Was big on selling fantasy versus making real plans that could happen and that would be enjoyable by everyone.

The only good things about it were: he was reasonably hot and did match his pics/description; he was pretty professional about the actual service in a number of ways, even as some things went awry; and also he had an amazing connection really close by with great merchandise (although it was rip-off expensive... I think he literally doubled his connection's actual price and pocketed the split).

[Nodalguy]

I will never again pay a deposit. If the provider demands one, then we're just not a fit and it won't happen.

[DWnyc]

On 8/31/2023 at 9:04 AM, soloyo215 said:

And those standards in this line of work are...?

Well the obvious - no misrepresentation of profile or services offered, punctuality, pleasant customer service with no unnecessary attitude, integrity on fees etc 

And given the specifics of the “profession” - being open minded, understanding why clients may seek to engage, no unnecessary entitlement / shaming and so forth 

These don’t really need articulation - but it’s easy to say “I’m the best” or “I’m a true professional” - putting it in practice consistently is where the hard work comes.

 

[soloyo215]

2 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Well the obvious - no misrepresentation of profile or services offered, punctuality, pleasant customer service with no unnecessary attitude, integrity on fees etc 

And given the specifics of the “profession” - being open minded, understanding why clients may seek to engage, no unnecessary entitlement / shaming and so forth 

These don’t really need articulation - but it’s easy to say “I’m the best” or “I’m a true professional” - putting it in practice consistently is where the hard work comes.

 

And they are enforced... how? If they don't follow them, then... what exactly happens?

[DWnyc]

4 minutes ago, soloyo215 said:

And they are enforced... how? If they don't follow them, then... what exactly happens?

Who said they can be enforced? 

The best one can hope for is that platforms like this site generate awareness and can force providers who err to amend their ways.

Elsewhere in the forum right now is a discussion - if genuine this suggests a provider saw the implication of his behavior on his potential business and tried to do something about it. Smart providers even if cynically would do the same.