What is your IQ level?

[lonely_john]

1 hour ago, Luv2play said:

Why would a dummy who didn't understand the word antiquated be in charge of administrating an intelligence test?

Absolutely no intention to politicize this thread but if retarded and idiots can become Presidents and CEOs, then ANYTHING is possible.

[+ Charlie]

I'll say it again: "intelligence" means different things, to different people, in different situations. The assumption that it can be encapsulated in a single number is not very intelligent, IMHO.

[+ azdr0710]

On 11/17/2021 at 6:58 PM, sam.fitzpatrick said:

Many IQ tests are administered verbally.  (Some are even designed to be administered to children before they can read.)  I recall the story of my father being administered an IQ test and the proctor presented him a 48-star US flag and asked if anything is wrong with the picture.  My father answered, "it is antiquated."  They moved on to a few more questions and realizing my father was scoring well, the proctor went back to the flag question and asked, "what did you mean by antiquated?"  The proctor was unfamiliar with the term and had marked my father's response incorrect.

 

did your Dad take the test after 1959??!!  😀

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

7 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

did your Dad take the test after 1959??!!  😀

He took the test while my parents' lived in San Diego -  Some time between July 1960 and November 1963.

[Guest]

On 11/16/2021 at 7:40 PM, jeezifonly said:

This is why we need to rely on collective intelligence to function as a society.

That video is very true. The IQ test only measures one aspect of intelligence. My strengths are in rapid problem solving and in linguistics. I do horribly in other tasks, especially anything involving sports or arts (especially drawing, although I do have musical talent). I also am short on attention/patience, so I can never do well at tasks which require long-term problem solving, such as chess. When I took my IQ test in the 7th grade, they said that the test I took couldn't tell me what my IQ was, other than that it was over 150. I'm very good at solving fixed problems, but have never won a chess game in my life (though I can't stand chess and have only played a few games). 

If I couldn't find a job in problem-solving, it would have been in linguistics. I seem to be able to "get" foreign languages quickly, and I enjoy such learning. Even with languages which I only studied for a few months, such as Mandarin and Turkish, when I was in the country, I'd always be complemented on my pronunciation (even if my vocabulary was obviously poor). I can barely remember a word of Mandarin and Turkish these days, though I do keep a few languages with some facility. 

However, I have no talents in the sports or visual-spatial arena. "Chris" loves to watch drag programs and shows, and I tell him often that if I had to rely on my ability to do drag, I would be a starving homeless man. I can't even stand up straight, let alone walk in heels. And I can't draw better than a stick figure. I have no talent at being able to put what I see to paper. I'm happy to have found a job I enjoyed; it involved lots of problem-solving opportunities each day. I guess we're all tasked to find our talents and tailor or life to those talents--and avoid areas where we have no talent. 

[+ MysticMenace]

idk - for me, I can appreciate different types of intelligence - however, I do find emotional intelligence more important in human and societal interactions vs. being good at memorizing things off of a textbook

[+ WilliamM]

I am fairly good at completing things even if the tasks are very far from my basic skills.

Example: getting drafted into the Army for two years in June 1967

[samhexum]

8 hours ago, JoeMendoza said:

idk - for me, I can appreciate different types of intelligence

Yeah, but do different types of intelligence appreciate you?  😝😇😁😎

[+ purplekow]

On 11/15/2021 at 9:13 AM, vasilievnaaaa said:

Do you think that everyone should have a high level of intelligence? Have you ever checked your IQ? Would you like to check it out? I took the test  http://iq-global-test.com/ recently and was pleasantly surprised with the result. My intelligence level is 187. Do you think I should be proud of this? I advise you to take the test too and write the results in this thread

I am almost always as  smart as I need to be but never as smart as I want to be.  That said, Functional;ity with information is much more important that the information itself.  Anyone with average intelligence can look up the answer to most questions, especially these days.  However, taking that information and using it in a new innovative manner, that is the stuff of true intelligence and that is not readily quantifiable.  Like pornography, it is hard to define but easy to spot.  

Edited February 20, 2022 by purplekow

[+ purplekow]

?I am not boasting or anything but I did get today's wordle  in 2 moves.  One smart cookie here.  

Edited February 20, 2022 by purplekow

[Kevin Slater]

1 hour ago, purplekow said:

?I am not boasting or anything but I did get today's wordle  in 2 moves.  One smart cookie here.  

So did I!  Only my 2nd time doing that. 
 

Kevin Slater

[+ WilliamM]

Smart enough to know I am not in the same league with University of Pennsylvania students.

Serious

[+ purplekow]

13 minutes ago, Kevin Slater said:

So did I!  Only my 2nd time doing that. 
 

Kevin Slater

Tacit approval

 

[Rudynate]

On 11/15/2021 at 11:41 AM, Epigonos said:

 

The one serious mistake that we make by totally denying the importance of I.Q. is that by doing so we might assume that all people have equal ability in all thing -- simply not true.  Example: student "A" might require one year to achieve competence in Algebra while student "B" might require two or more years to achieve the same competence as student "A".  The question then becomes is it worth the two or more years for student "B" to achieve competence in Algebra or should he or she be directed elsewhere. 

True that.  In high school, I got top grades with minimal effort, except for math.  It was my blind spot.  I failed geometry and had to repeat it in summer school.  I failed trig and had to repeat it in summer school.   In college, I knew I was going to have to take a lot of math and do well in it, so I took a no-credit one-semester remedial math class.  Smartest thing I ever did.  I realized that there were some basic things from way back that I had never understood and that had held me back. Once those basic misunderstandings were corrected - math became much easier for me.   Nonetheless - I always needed extra help - In college math courses, whenever I felt myself getting into the weeds, I would do some work with a tutor until I was straightened out.

Edited February 21, 2022 by Rudynate
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[+ WilliamM]

On 11/15/2021 at 2:41 PM, Epigonos said:

One conclusion I came to after teaching at a public high school for thirty-six (36) plus years was that I.Q. scores are largely bull shit.  Students differ widely in their ability to achieve success on standardized tests.  During my teaching years I constantly heard from colleagues that student "X" though under-performing in classes was brilliant because of his/her very high I.Q. score.  On the other hand student "y"  thought high-performing in his/her classes was achieving success in spite of his/her low I.Q. score only because he/she was a workaholic.  Whether one likes it or not the single best indicator of future academic success is current GPA.   One constantly hears the cry that high school GPA's have been ridiculously inflated.  That claim is likely true but it is equally true that a student with a high high school GPA will work to meet the necessary criteria to achieve a high or acceptable GPA and the college or university level.  Colleges and universities were and are perfectly aware of this fact yet they needed and continue to need a way to limit to number of students with outstanding GPAs for whom they have places  Thus along came and comes the use of the SAT which provides college and university admission officers with an additional tool to control (limit) the number of students they admit. 

The one serious mistake that we make by totally denying the importance of I.Q. is that by doing so we might assume that all people have equal ability in all thing -- simply not true.  Example: student "A" might require one year to achieve competence in Algebra while student "B" might require two or more years to achieve the same competence as student "A".  The question then becomes is it worth the two or more years for student "B" to achieve competence in Algebra or should he or she be directed elsewhere. 

You taught in a public high school for thirty six + years?  That's like serving in the Army in the Second World War and then Korea. 

[Epigonos]

No way WilliamM.  I loved it from the day I started until the very last day.  Sure there were a few bad days but that's true of any occupation.  For all those years I had mostly great students and great parents.  I was fortunate in that during my entire teaching career I had only two principals and they were both, in their own ways, wonderful.  I loved working with the high school age group.  They were always fun and unpredictable.  If I had my life to live over again I would do exactly the same thing in in exactly the same place.  Damn I had a wonderful career and thus a wonderful life. 

[+ FreshFluff]

On 2/20/2022 at 2:54 PM, purplekow said:

?I am not boasting or anything but I did get today's wordle  in 2 moves.  One smart cookie here.  

I’m just a regular chocolate chunk cookie, and that’s enough for me. 

[+ WilliamM]

On 2/21/2022 at 9:21 PM, Epigonos said:

No way WilliamM.  I loved it from the day I started until the very last day.  Sure there were a few bad days but that's true of any occupation.  For all those years I had mostly great students and great parents.  I was fortunate in that during my entire teaching career I had only two principals and they were both, in their own ways, wonderful.  I loved working with the high school age group.  They were always fun and unpredictable.  If I had my life to live over again I would do exactly the same thing in in exactly the same place.  Damn I had a wonderful career and thus a wonderful life. 

I gew up in a blue collar town near Lowell, Massachusetts where by the seventh grade some new teachers and teachers near retirement had trouble controlling the students.

Also  I remember a seventh grade study hall where a student "celebrated "being eaten" by a relative in a loud conversation with the female teacher. A more seasoned teacher had to come in when she wsl by the classroom.

The seasoned teachers in my town were saints.

So we are far apart, @Epigonos

Edited February 24, 2022 by WilliamM

[+ Tygerscent]

On 11/15/2021 at 11:41 AM, Epigonos said:

One conclusion I came to after teaching at a public high school for thirty-six (36) plus years was that I.Q. scores are largely bull shit.  Students differ widely in their ability to achieve success on standardized tests.  During my teaching years I constantly heard from colleagues that student "X" though under-performing in classes was brilliant because of his/her very high I.Q. score.  On the other hand student "y"  thought high-performing in his/her classes was achieving success in spite of his/her low I.Q. score only because he/she was a workaholic.  Whether one likes it or not the single best indicator of future academic success is current GPA.   One constantly hears the cry that high school GPA's have been ridiculously inflated.  That claim is likely true but it is equally true that a student with a high high school GPA will work to meet the necessary criteria to achieve a high or acceptable GPA and the college or university level.  Colleges and universities were and are perfectly aware of this fact yet they needed and continue to need a way to limit to number of students with outstanding GPAs for whom they have places  Thus along came and comes the use of the SAT which provides college and university admission officers with an additional tool to control (limit) the number of students they admit. 

The one serious mistake that we make by totally denying the importance of I.Q. is that by doing so we might assume that all people have equal ability in all thing -- simply not true.  Example: student "A" might require one year to achieve competence in Algebra while student "B" might require two or more years to achieve the same competence as student "A".  The question then becomes is it worth the two or more years for student "B" to achieve competence in Algebra or should he or she be directed elsewhere. 

I add that IQ and GPA are biased for certain types of learners that the education system teaching methods are structured towards favoring~
 Those who are predominantly visual learners may not have the same testing scores in school as analytical or social learners~ 

 One type of learner may make a good teacher but, a terrible researcher~ Another type of learner may make a good surgeon but, terrible corporate accountant~ 

 Teaching methods in the Educational system traditionally have not been geared towards numbers 1, 2, 5 or 7~ People with Asperger‘s are treated as having a deficit/learning disability~ our current educational systems don’t do very well with educating/cultivating the minds of people with Asperger‘s/autism or other disabilities~

 We also don’t utilize mentorship types of learning where children who pass a level of competence teach those trying to achieve that same level or exceed it~ It’s generally teachers teaching students…

  We also don’t utilize elders as educational mentors in our education system~ (I’m not talking about the age of teachers but, elders as a community and actively interacting with youth in the school system to share life experiences and lessons they have learned along the way).

 Both IQ and GPA look for specific types of abilities but, also can neglect other types of learning and lack consideration for what/how and when those other types of learners achieve~ 

 ie: Einstein didn’t excel in the school environment yet, he was an exceptional problem solver… Ben Franklin and Steven Hawkins are reportedly 160 for IQ~ Alan Turing, (185), was pulled early from the early school system because he didn’t seem to be benefiting from it~ Was he a bad student~? No but, the educational system was incompetent with regard to educating him due to his learning style and  Aspergers…

 All of these people seemed to excel when left to their own devices~ Each was a Solitary/Intrapersonal learner… (maybe Franklin was more of a social and interpersonal learner).
 Darwin was also said to have Aspergers~ If any of these people were in the educational system today they would more potentially  be heavily medicated and forced into special classes to make them more average or typical to their peer students~ 

• 1). Auditory and musical learners. ... 
• 2). Visual and spatial learner. ... 
• 3). Verbal learner. ... 
• 4). Logical and mathematical learner. ... 
• 5). Physical or kinaesthetic learner. ... 
• 6). Social and interpersonal learner. ... 
• 7). Solitary and intrapersonal learner.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Tygerscent

[+ nycman]

10 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

Einstein didn’t excel in the school environment….

While I agree with 99% of your post, this often repeated myth is simply not true. 

Einstein did excel in math and science, and overall he was an above average student. 

Take it from someone who’s college thesis was on "Einstein and Myth Making".

[+ Tygerscent]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

While I agree with 99% of your post, this often repeated myth is simply not true. 

Einstein did excel in math and science, and overall he was an above average student. 

Take it from someone who’s college thesis was on "Einstein and Myth Making".

Yes… well noted there and perhaps better explained. thx~ 👍😎❤️
  I wasn’t implying he didn’t do well in his classes with regard to grades but, that he didn’t well in the school environment~ The example was to illustrate that teaching methods don’t necessarily reflect “well”, the abilities, capacity and potential for an individuals ability to learn and excel in something~ The incompetence not necessarily being the student but the educational systems methods of teaching individuals with learning styles different then the standardized teaching methods~ 
 He, (Einstein), was apparently great in math, physics and violin but, more average scoring scholastically in other subjects~
 His learning style didn’t mesh well with the teaching styles in the learning institutions he went to~ 
 This article shows a bit of that… is it an accurate article, nycman~?

https://www.openculture.com/2020/04/albert-einsteins-grades-a-fascinating-look-at-his-report-cards.html

Edited February 25, 2022 by Tygerscent

[+ nycman]

1 hour ago, Tygerscent said:

This article shows a bit of that… is it an accurate article, nycman~?

https://www.openculture.com/2020/04/albert-einsteins-grades-a-fascinating-look-at-his-report-cards.html

I think that article does a very good job of outlining
and explaining Einstein’s childhood academics. 

Unfortunately, many claim he was a moron or conversely
a child prodigy. Neither extreme is accurate. He was an
awkward, somewhat arrogant child who did very well in
science and math, and was pretty good at most other things. 

[LookingAround]

21 hours ago, Tygerscent said:

I add that IQ and GPA are biased for certain types of learners that the education system teaching methods are structured towards favoring~
 Those who are predominantly visual learners may not have the same testing scores in school as analytical or social learners~ 

 One type of learner may make a good teacher but, a terrible researcher~ Another type of learner may make a good surgeon but, terrible corporate accountant~ 

 Teaching methods in the Educational system traditionally have not been geared towards numbers 1, 2, 5 or 7~ People with Asperger‘s are treated as having a deficit/learning disability~ our current educational systems don’t do very well with educating/cultivating the minds of people with Asperger‘s/autism or other disabilities~

 We also don’t utilize mentorship types of learning where children who pass a level of competence teach those trying to achieve that same level or exceed it~ It’s generally teachers teaching students…

  We also don’t utilize elders as educational mentors in our education system~ (I’m not talking about the age of teachers but, elders as a community and actively interacting with youth in the school system to share life experiences and lessons they have learned along the way).

 Both IQ and GPA look for specific types of abilities but, also can neglect other types of learning and lack consideration for what/how and when those other types of learners achieve~ 

 ie: Einstein didn’t excel in the school environment yet, he was an exceptional problem solver… Ben Franklin and Steven Hawkins are reportedly 160 for IQ~ Alan Turing, (185), was pulled early from the early school system because he didn’t seem to be benefiting from it~ Was he a bad student~? No but, the educational system was incompetent with regard to educating him due to his learning style and  Aspergers…

 All of these people seemed to excel when left to their own devices~ Each was a Solitary/Intrapersonal learner… (maybe Franklin was more of a social and interpersonal learner).
 Darwin was also said to have Aspergers~ If any of these people were in the educational system today they would more potentially  be heavily medicated and forced into special classes to make them more average or typical to their peer students~ 

• 1). Auditory and musical learners. ... 
• 2). Visual and spatial learner. ... 
• 3). Verbal learner. ... 
• 4). Logical and mathematical learner. ... 
• 5). Physical or kinaesthetic learner. ... 
• 6). Social and interpersonal learner. ... 
• 7). Solitary and intrapersonal learner.

You are confusing learning with intelligence. Learning relates to academic performance and academic tests such as the SAT or ACT. IQ measures the ootential for success in the world and does not, in theory, depend on learning.  

[+ Tygerscent]

On 2/25/2022 at 4:35 AM, LookingAround said:

You are confusing learning with intelligence. Learning relates to academic performance and academic tests such as the SAT or ACT. IQ measures the ootential for success in the world and does not, in theory, depend on learning.  

My understanding is that IQ is intended to measure speed and ability for problem solving based on fluid and crystallized intelligence~ While there potentially exists some innate ability for both in an individual, the processes of each can be developed as a skill and that would imply learning wouldn’t it~? 
 Crystalized Intelligence, (part of the IQ tests), “…involves knowledge that comes prior learning and past experiences. Situations that require crystallized intelligence include reading comprehension and vocabulary exams. Crystallized intelligence is based upon facts and rooted in experiences.” (https://www.verywellmind.com/fluid-intelligence-vs-crystallized-intelligence-2795004#toc-crystallized-intelligence) (random siting).
 Though IQ tests are used to sort out individuals for various appointments, (jobs/stations and positions in life, potential for success in some particular endeavor and even in instances income), part of that test is based on acquired knowledge that has been learned~ (Crystallized intelligence  and developed skills of Fluid intelligence ).
 If IQ tests don’t address each type of learning style, (and the problem solving abilities that come along with those various learning styles), then they are biased to some particular type(s) of learning and learning style(s) it would seem~ 
 Is there not a connection between learning and intelligence~? Isn’t one’s  ability to learn based on the various forms of intelligence~? Then also, would that be dependent on learning styles that are founded in those various types of intelligence~? ie., visual intelligence, audio/musical intelligence, analytical intelligence, intrapersonal learning intelligence and types of intelligence we don’t even consider that may exist outside the realm of human existence~
 IQ tests themselves are tailored to different cultures because of both Crystalized and fluid intelligence differences~  
 I’m pretty sure the IQ test would be different for somebody in the states then it would be for somebody in Cambodia or Poland or a Yanomami of the Amazon~  
 Taking that a step further: with the diverse considerations/criteria for IQ tests among human beings, none of our tests could measure well the IQ of birds or whales, a mantis shrimp or an octopus, dogs, cats or wolves~  (All of which possess crystalized and fluid intelligence~ Yet only some of those have gone to school as we know it~). 
 For human IQ tests, the taker has to have learned enough to be able to understand the questions and apply problem solving to them~  
 Yet much of what can be learned or taught in “school” is also based on Crystalized and fluid intelligence, isn’t it~?
 Types of IQ questions involve these below categories below … all of which are dependent upon what an individual has learned or been taught, (an individual can learn and be taught without ever having gone to “school”): 

• Analogies (mathematical and verbal)
• Pattern driven (spatial and mathematical)
• Classification
• Visual
• Spatial
• Logical

Edited February 26, 2022 by Tygerscent

[pubic_assistance]

I remember my mother getting annoyed when my sister entered school and they gave her an IQ test they asked: "How many wheels on a wheelbarrow?". My mother was like..."We live in the city...why the hell should my kid know what a wheelbarrow is ???"