Valid Reasons for Rate Increase

[lonely_john]

I'm in a similar situation as in the other thread abour a rate increase by a regular provider. Thank God my guy is not doubling his, but he's still proposing an increase on the basis of what he said were "increased expenses" that he didn't want to fully disclose.

I haven't agreed to any increase yet and am still waiting on a more detailed explanation. He's good and I've been a long time regular but I want to make sure that he's not being greedy, so before swallowing any lies I wanted to know your opinion based on past experiences:

• What do you consider valid reasons for a rate increase?
• What percentage or increase amount (on rates of $150 Massage / $250 Escorting ) do you consider acceptable?

 

[+ azdr0710]

#1 - high demand for his services, low supply of similar guys in the area, very in-shape body, excellent client interaction/hospitality during a meet

#2 - as much as the market will bear......however, well-established and trusted regular clients should receive strong consideration for significant discounts

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

We're acting as if an escort needs your approval- or anyone's approval- to raise his rates.  

If it happens, it happens.  Then you can decide to go or stay.  It's quite simple.

 

[KeepItReal]

2 hours ago, lonely_john said:

I'm in a similar situation as in the other thread abour a rate increase by a regular provider. Thank God my guy is not doubling his, but he's still proposing an increase on the basis of what he said were "increased expenses" that he didn't want to fully disclose.

I haven't agreed to any increase yet and am still waiting on a more detailed explanation. He's good and I've been a long time regular but I want to make sure that he's not being greedy, so before swallowing any lies I wanted to know your opinion based on past experiences:

• What do you consider valid reasons for a rate increase?
• What percentage or increase amount (on rates of $150 Massage / $250 Escorting ) do you consider acceptable?

 

I never ask for a reason.  It should be pretty self evident: things get more expensive over time.  It is also none of my business. 

Anybody that offers you a magical formula on what is acceptable is simply giving you their opinion.  Consider the saying: "A tiger doesn't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep." This is where I warn you not to lend your ears out to sheep...or trolls (like me!) 😆

Edited June 22, 2021 by KeepItReal

[lonely_john]

1 hour ago, azdr0710 said:

well-established and trusted regular clients should receive strong consideration for significant discounts

Thanks for really understanding the motivation of my post @azdr0710 🙏

[+ azdr0710]

my mom always said, "nobody gets up for free!"......

[lonely_john]

2 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

my mom always said, "nobody gets up for free!"......

Escorts would say "no c*ck gets up for free!" 🤣

[CuriousByNature]

4 hours ago, lonely_john said:

I'm in a similar situation as in the other thread abour a rate increase by a regular provider. Thank God my guy is not doubling his, but he's still proposing an increase on the basis of what he said were "increased expenses" that he didn't want to fully disclose.

I haven't agreed to any increase yet and am still waiting on a more detailed explanation. He's good and I've been a long time regular but I want to make sure that he's not being greedy, so before swallowing any lies I wanted to know your opinion based on past experiences:

• What do you consider valid reasons for a rate increase?
• What percentage or increase amount (on rates of $150 Massage / $250 Escorting ) do you consider acceptable?

 

Again, I haven't met yet with any providers, but I imagine the more important question is 'what amount of an increase am I willing to accept, based on my own financial situation and the value I place on our time together?'   Ultimately a provider can and should modify their donation amount as they believe appropriate, which may or may not be based on supply and demand.  The potential advantage I see you having over other clients in this situation is that you have a well-established relationship with the provider, and if the proposed increase is a burden for you, you might be able to openly express this to him and see how he responds.  If the donation amount is still affordable for you after the increase, I would think it best to accept it, assuming your time together has that level of value for you.   Just my two cents, though.

[Jamie21]

I put my rate up, very slightly, when I got an increase in the rent for the massage studio I use. I absorbed some of the increase but had to pass on some of the increased costs. 
I’ve not noticed any impact on demand. 
My regular clients haven’t commented on the change in price nor asked why. I think if I increased by 10% or more then maybe they’d question it but I think the only answer I could give is a general increase in costs. I’m not going to publish my Profit and Loss account! 
Some clients think there’s no actual costs to providing massage / escort services and all the revenue is profit. In reality there’s costs to rent accommodation, advertise, phone line, health checks, laundry, oils, personal care costs…it all adds up and these things rise in price like everything else.     The extent to which you can pass on these costs in your pricing depends on demand and supply. 

[MscleLovr]

10 hours ago, lonely_john said:

I haven't agreed to any increase yet and am still waiting on a more detailed explanation.

I’ve noticed prices for certain goods and services increasing more rapidly in the US and Europe. Inflation seems to be on the rise.

If your guy provides great service @lonely_john I imagine you’ll want to continue seeing him. So why not be direct? Ask him what he proposes. Then you can decide whether you can afford to keep seeing him.

I may be harsh but I don’t feel that you’re entitled to any explanation from him. He has his costs and needs a certain income. How would you feel if he asked you about your disposable income and your investment portfolio before discussing his rate? 
 

FWIW years ago when I hired, I had a similar experience. The guy was great in bed, we got along well and I saw him regularly. He had a low rate. He emailed me after one date that he had to increase his rate for our next date. No explanation. I asked if there was any flexibility as a “regular” but he countered that he’d kept my rate low for some months while everyone else was already paying his new rate!

[+ Cash4Trash]

I just hope Jerome Powell takes escort rate increases into consideration when thinking about raising the Feds' interest rates because of inflation. 

[LookingAround]

I’m beginning to see where your name comes from lonely John. He’s free to set his rate and it’s really not your business to be a judge to approve it. Either hire him or don’t. 

[jjkrkwood]

 

Try offering him a "muffin basket"... (and if the muffins are Day-old, you'll get them cheaper too)  😏

Edited June 22, 2021 by jjkrkwood

[cany10011]

If you enjoy his company, go for it. It's sometimes hard to find someone with the right chemistry that will tickle your fancy. 

I wonder what other escorts in your area charge and how it compares to your guy. Is it similar? Maybe he just wants to get to market rate if he undercharged his earlier clients? 

The escort is free to change (lower / raise)his rates or see whoever he wants to without any justification. I'm sure he might have considered a "favored client" discount but perhaps he needs the extra cash, longer commute to visit you, increased market demand (make hay while the sun shines). Asking for justification is just a little off putting...He already specified nondescript "increased costs". Asking for a detailed line item justification is perhaps that's why he is taking time to respond? 

Edited June 22, 2021 by cany10011

[+ SundayZip]

13 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

We're acting as if an escort needs your approval- or anyone's approval- to raise his rates.  

 

 

I don't know, Benjamin. Maybe escorts services should be considered a public utility and regulated as such.  😗🤔  

[jjkrkwood]

1 minute ago, SundayZip said:

I don't know, Benjamin. Maybe escorts services should be considered a public utility and regulated as such.  😗🤔  

 

And what's the FIX when your service goes "DOWN" ????   🤪🤣🤪

[+ Lucky]

In my small business boarding dogs, I raised my rates by 11% and still get plenty of business,

[jjkrkwood]

13 minutes ago, Lucky said:

In my small business boarding dogs, I raised my rates by 11% and still get plenty of business,

 

 

And YOU "hand out Bones" too !  🤣🤣

[+ ButchAtl]

A few years ago one my all time favorite escorts raised his rate.  I soon got a text from him telling me not to pay any attention to the new rate; my rate would not change as long as I was a client.  I actually paid the new rate anyway and considered it a tip, because he was worth it to me and I wanted him to know that. 

Too bad (for me, ha) he met someone a couple of years later and soon left the business.   

[+ FrankR]

37 minutes ago, ButchAtl said:

A few years ago one my all time favorite escorts raised his rate.  I soon got a text from him telling me not to pay any attention to the new rate; my rate would not change as long as I was a client.  I actually paid the new rate anyway and considered it a tip, because he was worth it to me and I wanted him to know that. 

Too bad (for me, ha) he met someone a couple of years later and soon left the business.   

I applaud you. 👏🏽 In my opinion this is the way to conduct yourself: with mutual respect and courtesy displayed by both parties! 

[Rod Hagen]

Never say never, but I would never raise rates on clients I've seen for years.  All others are fair game. 

 

However, it's all theoretical because I've never raised my rates in 22 years of escorting! (which I've bitched about here extensively).

 

 

[Islesguy]

Like I have posted previously, none of the regulars I see have raised their rates for me. If someone went up 10% year over year, I'd be fine with it. Any higher and I'd reduce the number of times I see them a year.

And @Rod Hagen, more and more I need to visit LA again and hire you unless you decide to visit the better coast and come to NY.

 

[+ DynamicUno]

To answer the OP's question, a provider is entitled to raise their rates if they deem fit and they don't have to offer any justification for it.  You're making it sound like he owes you a look at his P&L sheets or a detailed breakdown of his expenses to justify his new rates.  He could be increasing to keep pace with rising expenses, manage the number of clients he has to see to keep his earnings up, target a higher end market segment, etc.  Its his business to run and he is free to disclose only as much as he wants to.

That said, if I had been seeing a provider for a while and he suddenly increases his rates well above market with no consideration for being a long term client, I'm taking it as a sign that he doesn't really care to continue seeing me.  I'd simply tell him that it's a shame, but I can't afford his new rate and wish him well.  

[+ tassojunior]

I'm wondering if in this time of rapid inflation we are going to be seeing these complaints about every product. 

To be honest, traditionally (long ago?) rates were basically what a bag of heroin was and even now there are plenty of straight guys who become outrageous bottoms for a bag of coke (or the money for another bag). Now people are complaining because escorts are following supply/demand rules like good entrepreneurs. 

There's a surge in demand right now because of saved spending by clients and the lockdown suddenly coming off. (plus many escorts shifting to OnlyFans, etc during the pandemic). Prices are higher during Mardi Gras in NOLA too. I think of this as a national coming out of lockdown Mardi Gras period. I hope rates don't go so high that when the peak comes off they remain too high for demand. Escorts rarely decrease rates. Many found they did better advertising as "masseurs" for $150 "plus" rather than escorts at $300 and that adjustment was really supply/demand not supporting 300 as a base price for mass market. I'm more concerned with guys raising their rates to 400 from 300 in this surge market and that hurting them later when the economy slows down. In economics they call this the "ratchet effect" where once prices go up they seldom come back down when demand lessens. (although the ratchet effect has permeated much of the market now, not just prices LINK)

OTOH there are many many new millionaires in America the past few years and this could become a millionaires market. ( and no, i don't consider home equity a "millionaire" unless someone is mortgaging to pay escorts lol.)

[jeezifonly]

Probably many of us here who have the milage to be grandfathered into discounts elsewhere, but it’s a unique business. I for one am not regular enough with any one provider to expect that.
(I will, however, accept his offer to rim me for an extra 5 minutes.)

Edited June 25, 2021 by jeezifonly
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