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I’ve had clients do both; set it up themselves and have me set it up. It worked fine either way. I had a client book me with another guy for him to watch us perform. The client booked us both separately but said that he didn’t want to be involved in the session, just watch and give instructions. I’d have preferred to book the other guy myself because I know there’d be a good connection between us to put on a great show, but I went with it because the client said he knew who he wanted. He also gave us both instructions about what he wanted to see. It worked out fine and the client was happy with the show. I guess he’d put a lot of thought into selecting the right guys.
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Escort perspectives on friends and hookup apps
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
Yes this resonates with me too. I’ve some good friends in the business who I can talk to candidly about sex work and know that they will completely understand what I’m talking about. It’s good to have that kind of support. Most people working for any length of time in the industry (as in professionals not dilettante sex workers) are kind and decent people who are good to associate with and some have become great friends but I do avoid any that don’t enhance my life. I think if you keep coming across people who are not positive for you then you need to change where you spend your time or reframe your mindset. -
Service providers do share notes so to speak. I’m on a forum for masseurs/escorts to share information and support each other. The discussion on clients is limited to whether they are time wasters (endless chat, regular last minute cancellations or just don’t pay) rather than the ease or otherwise of handling their session. Those things stay with the provider, but yes notes are shared on time wasters or trouble makers. The main purpose of the forum is to share tips, industry knowledge and provide support.
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I’m seeing clients, kissing them (if they want that) and doing everything as I used to. I don’t require them to be vaccinated. I’m double vaccinated so feel fairly confident and to be frank I think there’s risks of catching all sorts of infections anyway by doing this work. Obviously I take reasonable precautions (regular testing for Covid and other things, using prep etc) because I see Covid as just another risk that comes with close contact with other people. The main issue is that I’m having some clients cancel because of having to change plans due to having to isolate. It’s just part of how things are these days and I go with it.
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First of all, you write beautifully. It’s rare to read such descriptive and engaging prose. I love it. Thank you. What you should say at the point the cameras start to whirr is “cut!” …and then negotiate your fee for performing and ask to sign your model release form. It will break the spell unfortunately but you might as well take a commercial view of your performance. I have had clients request to be filmed. If they genuinely want their encounter to be immortalised on screen that’s fine. I tell them about the porn filming I do and that it gets published on my justforfans site (MassageForHim). See massageforhim.com for info. Your story makes the situation sound erotic and sexy but the unfortunate truth about filming porn is that the set and the process isn’t sexy atall. The lights are harsh, the cameras need to be kept in mind (is my arm obscuring the entry of my cock to his hole for camera A?. Does my bum look sufficiently pert when I lean back in his embrace?) and the regular stops to change positions, piss, deal with cramp arising from a visually pleasing but athletically challenging position can make the whole thing quite cock softeningly tedious. It is fun though if, like me, you are exhibitionist. So yes my clients can appear in a massage porn shoot and watch themselves later if they want to. It’s quite popular such that I have a long list of volunteers for future filming sessions. However I do counsel clients who want to be in a film about the drawbacks and that their massage won’t be especially relaxing (and of course the mask hinders good kissing) and this is mainly why I don’t charge them my normal rate. I just make a small charge to contribute to the cost of the studio. My compensation comes from the fans site subscribers. My ‘client’ gets the thrill of being a porn star and watching back their performance. Maybe they can show their grandchildren one day…such is the preponderance of porn and naked selfies in youth today I expect that in 50 years time everyone will have some action of themselves on the net and it will be normalised…. “Hi kids let’s watch the time your grandmother and I went to the beach at Southend, it’s on my Facebook feed…oh and yes there’s the video of that masseur fucking me in London. Was that really 40 years ago. I couldn’t get my leg in that position now” “I can grandad Tom..look!”. Hmmm maybe not. But I do think (hope) it will be much more accepted to have appeared in porn. It’s just sex. Occasionally in a proper massage session a client has booked (non porn filming) they will ask me if they can film a bit on their phone. This is fine and I’m happy to film a bit of POV for them using their phone. Usually they just want a minute or two of my cock in their hole(s) as a memento of the visit. I think many people are quite visual and do like to watch what’s happening in a mirror so filming a close up of bits they can’t see live is a nice thing to be able to look back at. See you all on set….
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I’ve done a couple of collaborations with TJ, he’s great fun. We did a massage and dp session in one of them. We’re planning to do another collaboration soon. Both the shoots with him are on my justforfans alongside over 50 other full length massage movies. I film with volunteer models or other Onlyfans/justforfans porn actors. Here’s the link https://justfor.fans/MassageForHim Jamie
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The use of a la carte pricing is a warning sign. Tells me he’s only doing the work for the money and not also because he intrinsically enjoys it. Hence the mechanical massage style and indifference to timing. I’m sorry you experienced this. If my client cums early in the session I carry on. Sometimes they cum again, sometimes not but there’s still lots of feel good work you can do on him to make the session memorable. Before you give a bad review contact him and tell him you were not satisfied and see what he does. You can mention his response, if any, in the review.
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I find some sections of the LGB etc community to be judgmental about body shape and age. They don’t look beyond what they see and they miss meeting some lovely people. I’m glad I get different body types and a full range of ages as clients on my table because it makes it interesting to massage different bodies and to meet a variety of people. Everyone can enjoy a great massage. It makes me happy if someone says they were anxious about coming because of their size or age etc but having overcome that they felt comfortable, welcomed and enjoyed it. That makes my day 🙂
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Yes it’s partly why I started. Someone suggested to me I monetise my cock. So I did.
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Yes poppers help. I keep some just in case clients need them. I don’t use them myself though because they make me feel sick (and go soft). I find breathing deep and slow helps me take a big cock so I encourage my clients to breath like this if they struggle to take me. It also works better for some by doing it missionary style at first before moving on to other positions.
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What do you do when you start to feel discouraged?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
Great insight. It’s difficult to go from sex work to mainstream work. I don’t want to go back to working for someone else doing 9 to 5 etc. But it is more stable and reliable. For me when my massage/escort work is quiet I do writing and voluntary work. Plus loads of tons in the gym lol. I also do porn on justforfans which brings in some regular revenue. I’ve around 50 full length movies on the platform which attracts subscribers. I think the best thing is to have other activities that can give you income aside from meeting clients. The writing started out as a hobby now I make a little income from it but maybe one day it will be more. -
What do you do when you start to feel discouraged?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
I have difficult clients too. Today, this morning, I had a guy ask if I was available at 4:30pm this afternoon. I replied within 20 minutes to say yes I was available…..then…no reply. Nothing. So I hold the time for a couple of hours and then someone else books at 4. So I take that. In meantime I’m asked for an outcall at 9pm. I said yes and the time was booked. I planned my day then around that later meeting. Then, 3 hours before the evening booking the client messaged me to say he was delayed and could we reschedule to tomorrow? So I replied and gave my availability tomorrow….since then I heard nothing. So I’m being messed around, my plans change regularly at short notice. But it’s part of the job and I’ll not let it annoy me. I’m sure the clients will be in touch eventually and I won’t be annoyed with them. If I allowed this to upset me I’d be regularly irritated. So I just accept it as part of the job. There’s good and bad parts to any job and the trick is to turn the bad parts around so they work for you. I like the flexibility the work brings and so that works both ways, sometimes the flexibility means I get clients cancelling. Instead of being angry at it I now view it as an opportunity to do something else. -
What do you do when you start to feel discouraged?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
That’s put constructively. I agree. Clients sometimes have negativity and drama enough in their lives and they book a session to get away from all that. It’s important as a provider to present a positive and optimistic outlook even if behind the mask you may not feel that way. -
What do you do when you start to feel discouraged?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
I guess it makes it difficult if you don’t have a place to do in calls from. It must restrict business. Most of my work is in calls. I’m based in London so it’s a very big market, but also there’s a lot of competition. I’ve noticed far fewer international clients since the pandemic started. It’s terrible because I had some lovely regular international clients. I hope they comeback. -
What do you do when you start to feel discouraged?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
When my business goes quiet I just think it will get busier again, and it always does. The pandemic has had an impact for sure but that’s out of my control. I focus on what I can control which is my attitude, diet, exercise, education and I keep promoting my service. I know if I do all those things I’m making the best opportunity for myself. If I get down, which is unavoidable sometimes, then I find exercise helps. But really, it’s such a pleasure to do this work and meet lovely people and give them a great time that I can’t be too down can I? I’m reminded of the phrase “do what you love; love what you do”. -
I was at a sex party one time (not professionally, I was there recreationally) and a couple were fucking on the bed in such rigorous style that the bed broke. They carried on regardless. That’s what I call dedication. No client has ever broken my massage table although it is a very solid and robust table. When I take it on outcalls it nearly breaks me….I need a lighter one!
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I think most overnights are more like having company and chatting etc than continuous sex. That’s been my experience of doing them. I’ve only ever done two as it’s not really my thing. The first one I did my client wanted sex before sleep but during the overnight he slept and just wanted to cuddle me and wake up next to someone. He specifically said not to wake him for sex during the night but he wanted to fuck me in the morning as I slept and I was to pretend to stay asleep as he fucked me. So I played along and ‘slept’ through the morning fuck. I was actually asleep when he must have started but by the time he’d finished I was pretending. Then he got up and ordered breakfast which we had in bed (I actually hate breakfast in bed so there was more acting!). After breakfast I left because he had a work meeting (the meet was in a hotel while my client was in London at a conference). So it was quite a relaxing session. The other one was for a regular massage client at his apartment. He had always previously visited me at my studio but his wife was away and he wanted me to visit him. He’d booked an evening massage and his apartment was a long way from my base so he asked if I wanted to stay overnight. I don’t have an overnight rate because it’s not something I normally do but it made sense for me to stay because I’d miss the last train so we agreed a rate and I stayed until morning. He was more active overnight lol so I didn’t actually get much sleep and I caught up on sleep on the train home. The last one I did was supposed to be an overnight, also in a hotel which my client had booked, but it didn’t work out. He was a young guy mid 20’s and had insisted he wanted an overnight for his first experience with a guy. He told me he had a girlfriend but he wasn’t sure what he wanted sexually. So in the end I agreed to an overnight at a hotel with him, which I booked because he didn’t want any bookings in his name. He’d talked about all the things he wanted to try (I should have guessed at this point that it was going to go wrong lol) and he’d asked that when he turns up at the room (he wanted to arrive separately) I be naked in bed for him. I should leave the room door unlocked for him to walk in and we go from there. So I’m naked in bed and my client walks in undresses and he joins me and it’s clear he’s over excited, he starts to fuck me and then cums after about 3 thrusts. Then he says he’s made a terrible mistake and he can’t stay. I ask him was anything wrong and he said no I’m cool but he has guilt about it and can’t stay. Fortunately he’d paid me (I requested payment up front given I was booking the hotel). I suggested we talk it through but he was so anxious he said sorry but he had to go. So I stayed the night on my own!
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Oh yes! I forgot the client orders. Usually it’s a request for poppers, or occasionally for toys they want but can’t order themselves. Have provided a sort of rubberised vagina / bum hole thing which you penetrate for a client one time. He sent me a picture of it and I sourced it and took it to the session for him. He wanted me to demonstrate for him how to use it. I stuck my cock in the bum hole, pushed in and the head of my cock poked out of the vagina. I’m quite hung and he thought it was hilarious. At the end of the session I asked him if he wanted to take his toy (it hadn’t been used apart from my one time penetration) and he said no thanks. So I took it and dumped it in the bin outside the hotel. My experience is most toys deliver less than they promise. Nothing beats a real person for mind blowing sex.
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A tip should be a thanks for absolutely fantastic service not to make up for lack of fair basic pay. It some industries and places it seems to have developed into compensation for poor pay and hasn’t much to do with whether the service went beyond all expectations. Also I think there’s a misconception that escorts make loads of money because their hourly rate is high. Take into consideration that it’s not practically possible to work 45 hours a week 50 weeks a year doing escort work and the hourly rate comes down. Yes some days you make a lot, but some days it’s zero. If you get sick or catch something you’re out of action for at least a week. You have to keep a place to work, keep fit, advertise etc so there’s overheads too. Don’t assume that because you paid £200 for an hour that that’s what he gets every hour every day.
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It’s the personality. I enjoy all my clients but those where we really click are the most enjoyable. I’d rather see a client where we click than a client who is difficult but who leaves a big tip (although I guess it depends how big the tip is !!!)
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It’s sad that there are many people who view sex work as being something to be critical of and to shame those who take part in it, either as provider or hirer. While this repression exists in society then sex workers and hirers will seek privacy. When bigoted people accept that doing sex work is the same as any other type of work with value to society then it will be possible to do it without concerns about being vilified. Until then it’s necessary to exercise discretion.
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1 strike rule for prospects who don’t pan out?
+ Jamie21 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
Yes delayed response works well with those 11 pm messages asking if I’m available now. I just ignore it until I’m ready to reply and I say I was asleep or otherwise engaged. Those aren’t the clients I want. The 99% certain to not happen requests are almost always those where the client asks for some extravagant fantasy to be fulfilled involving group sex and and having every orifice penetrated all night. It all sounds great when they discuss it and book it but come the day of the appointment and they always have some issue that means they have to cancel. The more explicit and detailed the request the greater the likelihood it will be cancelled or he won’t show. If the conversation goes down the road of “describe what you’ll do to me” then I cut it off and say “book and you’ll find out” and I tell them I require a deposit for those type of requests…(which usually ends the conversation). Clients who want to book when they’re horny should have a wank and then if they still want to book they’ll know it’s for better reasons than just needing to get off right now… -
Yes, me too. I like clients to call if they have things to discuss. It’s not time wasting to call and talk about requirements, it makes the meeting better because I know exactly what he likes. As long as I get a heads up and we agree a time to call I’m fine to talk. It’s more personal than a text and starts off the connection nicely. There’s a few time wasters but if I sense the call is going that way then it’s easy to end it.
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I get a few clients who prefer to provide their own massage oil. That’s fine, I’ll use any reasonable massage oil except baby oil. They also prefer to use their own condoms (if I’m bottom) which is fine but I bring my own for me to use (if we’re doing safe) because I like the right size. Even if my client says he will provide everything I still take my own stuff because I’ve had in the past clients who use bad lube or have only one condom or just baby oil. I guess I just like to have no surprises and I prefer to be in control.
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I walk in to high end hotels with my massage table! I have my backpack on my back (containing oils, lube, condoms various sizes, massage tools like feathers etc, a change of underwear, viagra, wipes, mouthwash, toothpaste and toothbrush, nail clippers - an essential for a masseur!). I’ve never been questioned. I always walk in with confidence as if I own the place. If it’s a hotel I’ve not visited previously I might have done a reconnaissance visit beforehand if convenient. It’s useful to check out things like locations of lifts, reception, the doorman etc. If the client wants a massage on the bed then it’s easier as I don’t have to drag the table around. But a table massage is much better than the bed. Often though they just want a more sensual massage with more focus on sex than massage do the bed is fine for that. I always dress smart; trousers, jacket etc. I still take my kit in the backpack though because it’s easier to carry. It’s dark and discreet.
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