Jamie21

Not alone. But he’s subtle about it.

I think it’s just people sounding caution about deceiving a friend. The plan sounds like it could backfire if it ruins the friendship. I got hired for something similar, to hit on a guy at a sauna. He was tired of being ignored so hired me to be with him exclusively at a gay sauna. It worked fine and he had a great time. It gave him confidence to be more proactive when he visits the sauna now. Difference was that we weren’t misleading a friend. I think if the plan works that’s great, no judgement, but if he loses a friend as a result of it then he might look back and regret it.

Serious advice, is this massage in a professional massage service setting? If it’s a licensed masseur working at a spa you should let him take the initiative. Perhaps open up your legs a little, get hard, see what happens. If he’s working as a licensed massage therapist then he risks his job by progressing beyond therapeutic massage so I would advise to let him make any move. However if his advertising implies more than therapeutic massage (is he wearing a top? Is he in tight shorts? Is there a bottle of lube visible on the shelf, does he refer to release of tension, does he use minimal draping etc) then you could let your hand press against his crotch as he stands beside you and see if he’s hard. Take it from there…

Yes I agree, I like to be paid something for my work rather than nothing at all. Personally I don’t watch (or buy) porn, I’m more into being watched than watching!

Well they do! I get paid by guys subscribing to my films. I think it’s partly because you’re paying to see stuff that is not available to everyone. There’s interest in exclusivity. Plus those that subscribe tend to like the niche that one operates in. If you like watching massages that develop into more and you like my style and look then you might decide to subscribe to my content for example. It costs me time and money to make (I pay an editor, I hire venues, I buy cameras and lights) so unless I’m doing it completely for the fun of it I do want to compensated for these costs and to make money. There’s of course the fun element and it’s definitely enjoyable or it wouldn’t look good but still…as it’s a job then I think it’s fair to get paid for it.

I filmed massage porn movies a couple of times with a lovely F2M guy in London. He’s available for hire. This is his x profile https://x.com/edftmxxx?s=21&t=qqc9fJvNencieQmxmf775g You’ll probably see a clip of my movie with him on there 🙂. He’s not as big as I think you’re looking for @ThroatCummer but he’s got a great fit body and is really nice guy, very sexy and good fun. If you visit London I’d recommend him.

I’m fine to send pics if someone asks, but like @Vin Marcosays many guys just keep asking for pics without ever booking. I’ve lots of pics and even a demo video on my website plus plenty on Rentmasseur. If they want a face pic then I’m happy send it too. People do need to feel comfortable with hiring. The last thing I want is someone to come and be disappointed that I’m not what they expected: it makes for a difficult session. I like the sound of what @ApexNomad describes in the pre smartphone and app world regarding hiring and hookups. The thrill of the chase, the potential for surprise, the furtiveness I imagine all added to the excitement. Things that are got too easily are not appreciated and that’s definitely a downside of what I’d call the ‘Amazon Primeification’ of sex services.

I’m sorry, it’s my sense of humour. I’m British (our humour is weird🤪). Don’t take me too seriously when I post stuff like this. It’s just me trying to lighten the mood.

Ratemyclient.com. Only providers can make entries but clients can have a look at their profile on the basis that it’s important clients generally up their game. The content of the website is based on aggregated provider data from most of your previous hires once you reach 10 hires. Factors like did you show up on time, pay the correct rate (without haggling), have good hygiene, wear quality brand underwear…that kind of thing. There’s also a performance score section which obviously is quite subjective but can also provide us with helpful suggestions (as in ‘work the nipples - very sensitive’ and ‘very tight hole, use fingers first’). This section is not visible to clients because we like to surprise clients by seeming to know what their hot buttons are. For the performance rating clients are scored on a 0 to 10 scale based on their overall performance. If you think your rating is too low you can appeal, which usually involves attending a special session where 3 expert judges (they’re retired providers) will observe and give their considered opinion afterwards. This however would be binding so if you take the appeal option you do need to be on your A game in that session. Finally there’s a pricing suggestion for providers based on data the website has about client’s net worth from credit score organisations. If you’re high net worth then there’s pricing recommendations for us so we can ensure optimum pricing. This obviously isn’t visible to clients but you’d probably aware that you’re wealthy.

Exactly! I agree. I get regular requests from guys to give a sensual massage to their wife as a surprise. The usual scenario they want is one where she’s told it’s a normal spa style massage but the husband wants me to ‘surprise’ her with a sensual massage, often with detailed instructions about what he wants me to do to her, while he watches. I have to tell him this can only happen if I speak to her to book it, it’s all agreed with her in writing as well as verbally and it’s not a surprise. There’s no way I’m doing surprise massages. What are these guys thinking?? It’s as if they think they own her. Utterly tragic for Mme. Pelicot and her children. She’s shown great dignity and resilience in how she has handled her ordeal.

The guys who make it incur costs, it’s their work, if you don’t pay for it they don’t get paid. Of course there are those who are happy to perform for free but they don’t tend to be very good.

This is UK, we use both, randomly. I’m 79kg….and 6ft tall. I buy fuel in litres but count distance driven and speed in miles. I can buy a pint of beer…and a litre of milk. None of it makes sense. But every guy knows what 8 inches feels like in their hole.

When they enquire about services I’ve never been asked by a client about the size of my hands. I have often been asked about the size of my cock, my feet and my massage table…. My reply: “8 inch, size 11 (UK) and the table is big enough for two. You don’t need to worry about anything”.

People pay for my porn.

I occasionally get asked for change, an and I keep a few notes on hand just in case I need to give my client change. Usually they have the correct cash, or they’re paying by card.

It happens to me occasionally, client sends a clip, or a link to one, or more frequently a screenshot and asks can you do this for me? Sometimes it’s actually my porn lol. I agree with @Vin Marco that it’s better not to try and recreate a scene step by step. That’s too choreographed. Best to say “I liked this, something like it would be good” and leave the rest to me. When clients send clips it is a red flag because those that book a session when they’re horny (and with only one hand on their phone…) usually don’t turn up.

Firstly I’ve solved the problem for myself in my operating model. I don’t want or need to spend energy trying to change things that are likely beyond my ability to change, such as human nature, the laws of economics or Rentmasseur’s website (I prefer their earlier version to the recent ‘upgrade’). Secondly, when I did suggest solutions none of them fitted your specific circumstances (after you’d clarified your circumstances). So it seems rather pointless to engage if the problem keeps morphing into ever more nuanced descriptions of your particular issues. Feels like chasing chimera. I think it was Bruce Lee who said ‘be like water’. I like to be like that and adapt myself to the situation rather than try to adapt the situation to me. It works better in my experience.

A different job?

I heard every generation adds an inch. My great great grandfather was 4 inches…

Oh I wasn’t offended. Nor do I want you to say nothing. Nor do I offer you advice. I put my opinion. There’s no right or wrong there’s just different opinions based on different experiences and beliefs and circumstances. Your observation about people in the $100 -$150 - $200 realm is one I recognise. I expressed how I deal with it. There’s things I can control, which I take action on, and things I can’t control which I ignore so that they don’t wear me down. I can’t control how you respond so it doesn’t offend me. I won’t offer any more thoughts on it because I think you just want to be heard rather than engaged with (and you’ll probably tell me I’ve misinterpreted that too!). Good luck with everything.

I don’t ask for deposits for an out call. If I get red flags in the interaction then I’d rather decline the booking than bother with a deposit. If someone wants me to travel for over an hour to get to them then unless they pay the whole fee up front I’d decline the booking. It’s just not worth the risk.

There are no solutions only trade offs. My trade off is as I described and it saves me the trouble of handling clients who want to pay for A but get B. I offered it as my tactic not as advice to you. I’m aware Rentmasseur offers different rates…I’m on the platform myself. I know how it works. I don’t use that feature. And how I interpreted your comment about offering lower rates is I think how most readers would have interpreted it. If I misunderstood your point I’m sorry but it does seem to happen regularly that you make a point, someone responds and you refute their reply by saying they didn’t understand your point. It’s happened every single time I’ve engaged with you! If you want to vent your frustrations into an echo chamber this probably isn’t the place to do it.

Well I’m glad you clarified because it wasn’t what you said originally. You implied you’d lower your normal rate if you were busy enough and the booking was additional. The difficulty with offering a range of services at different price points is clients want the ‘large size serving’ whilst paying for the ‘medium size serving’ so to speak. I avoid offering a range of price points based on content, I simply base the price on duration. The price is set to include everything I’m comfortable offering. If someone wants just a therapeutic massage for example the price is the same as for sensual. It may mean I lose therapeutic only clients who want to pay less but oh well, so be it. It reduces the likelihood of someone booking therapeutic and then asking me to be naked and waving his hard on in my face asking me to finish him off! This business is all about discipline: having a clear defined business model that works for you and sticking to it.

Never ever do that. Never… because it sets an expectation. Do it once and you’ll end up doing it regularly as sure as night follows day.

Yes $100 is too cheap. I simply set my rate where it should be for me (my value of my service) advertise it thus, and decline any requests for a lower rate. It’s fairly simple. Even if that means I get zero clients I’m not doing a massage for $100. In practice I get sufficient clients so there’s a market for me (most of them are regulars) which implies they get value from it. If I find I can no longer get clients I’m not reducing the rate, I’m leaving the business.