Jamie21

I’m guessing that the masseur and the husband don’t have a physical relationship together (any longer). You are potentially being used by the husband to restart that relationship but he’s reluctant to initiate that conversation with his husband so he’s asking you to do it. That could turn out badly for you and them.

That’s a large deposit! When booking guys look for reviews and recommendations on here, use your intuition. If it looks too good to be true, it probably is. Avoid deposits.

Better check what I said. I don’t normally comment from a position of ignorance and because I don’t do therapeutic massages I will never have experienced a therapeutic only client pushing boundaries.

There is no neat delineation between the two. Consider it a Venn diagram with considerable overlap between the Masseur / Rentmasseur circle and the Escort / Rentmen circle. How guys classify themselves is up to them - this isn’t a regulated industry. It’s incumbent on the buyer to do his diligence and ask questions.

Yep, I’m available Mon -Sun but I don’t work them all! You advertise as available and then choose whether or not to take clients. It usually works out that some days there’s no one booked. What you have to do is be very flexible with your plans. Example: Currently I have 1 client tomorrow, that could well change between now and tomorrow morning. If I get no more bookings then I have plans for the time outside of when I’m with the client (gym, other work) but if I get booking(s) then I’ll take them. Similarly for Friday; 1 client booked at moment. That could change and I have contingencies in place if I get busy or if I have no clients. You just need to get used to being flexible with time.

Doesn’t work like that, I think you’re overestimating it. That’s a burn out rate of activity! You also need to factor in: - flaky clients not turning up or cancelling last minute and rescheduling. One might have a day planned with 3 clients scheduled and then half hour into the day they’ve all cancelled… - time spent handling enquiries most of which do not end up in a booking needs to be considered. It takes ages. - no one would work every single day: there’s days you’re unwell, have personal chores to do, socialise, work out, self care stuff. - cost of doing business needs to be factored in: advertising, travel, accommodation, expenses etc. - can’t compare it to a salaried employee. They get other benefits and more job security / reliable income.

He’s a really nice guy. I enjoyed filming with him. You know he does escorting too so you could book a session with him.

All this debate and discussion about what is a fair rate or what is the correct rate etc is otiose. The rate is determined by demand and supply. All that matters is the balance of guys providing and those buying and the knowledge of those two parties. That determines the price. Whether observers to the process consider the price to be fair or correct is immaterial and not relevant.

Many times. The definition of ‘hot’ is fairly subjective ..which is great! @Simon Suraciis correct, it doesn’t change one’s approach. I’ve found that there’s no correlation between physical ‘hotness’ and how sexy they are during a session. Some of the most visually attractive clients are dull / unimaginative/ inhibited etc when it comes to performance and in those situations one has to work harder. That’s where ones approach changes.. but that is to do with the attitude of the client not the physical appearance.

The two words that jump out at me in this sentence is ‘for now’. I expect in a bath house / sauna situation where you’re performing for an audience the ‘for now’ thing won’t last long. Have you discussed that together? If not, do so before you take your plans to a bath house. Maybe hire a pro first, see what happens.

There’s no collusion or cartel here. If you’re going for a certain type of Brazilian in London, in a certain area, then it’s likely they all know each other either directly or once removed. Word gets around at what each other charges. They’ll all end up similar. Maybe that’s what you’re noticing. There isn’t a cartel or any conspiracy to fleece Americans.

The market knows what rates will work and what won’t. Where there’s a lot of providers, those who over charge quickly find they don’t get much custom, so they either drop to the mean or they leave the market. Similarly if someone goes in too low they quickly realise they’re leaving value on the table so they increase rates. It means rates become similar.

I agree. Some element of surprise is important but that should be in the content of the session rather than in who the client finds when they turn up. Recently I had a new client, who had seen my pics etc. He’d booked an hour but after he’d seen me in person, after showering he asked to extend the time. I was very flattered.

Yep I’m the shop steward. Everyone out. Honestly, I didn’t realise everyone charges same. My experience is rates vary a bit. But it’s a very competitive market so rates are bound to coalesce around a market rate.

Done!

If I hired for overnight it would definitely be separate beds! Doing overnights for clients is not on my repertoire.

Exactly. If you approach it with the mindset that he views clients as ATM’s then you’re probably going to find that to be self fulfilling. Of course I wouldn’t be present at that time and place if I were not being paid for it, but that doesn’t mean I don’t approach the client with respect, care and authenticity. A lot of trust is created because both parties are being vulnerable. The more times a client comes the greater the trust.

You decide what you think is fair for the first week (don’t tell him the amount, just put the number in an envelope and seal it). He does same for what he wants to charge you for the second week. He also writes it in an envelope and seals it. You swap envelopes and open them together. The total is what you pay.

My kind of people 😉

Yes! Similarly, I have clients who bring their partner to watch. It’s a thing.

I would suggest you don’t worry about that. I know regular clients of mine see other providers (either I’ve referred them or they mentioned it to me or the other provider did). I don’t think they’re unhappy with me. I think ‘great! I hope he’s having fun’. All the providers I know have no concerns about clients shopping around. It’s kind of expected…‘he’s hired me so why wouldn’t he be hiring others?’. Fair enough to tell your regular guy that you’re hiring his partner if you want to but I’m confident neither of them would be upset about it. Guys don’t do this job to be precious about who hires them. If they’re proper professionals they want everyone and anyone.

X is called X because everyone is an eXpert.

Size obsession is definitely a thing. I’m 8 inches and I know that some massage clients hire me just because of that. Those kind of clients can get quite challenging to manage because they want to get fucked as part of the session even though it’s not an escort session. Once some guys see a big cock all they can think of is taking it! I know this is a ‘first world problem’…I’m not complaining that I’m on the large side (it’s definitely an asset when making porn!). I’m just saying it’s not always a blessing, and to look beyond just his cock size to the overall package to have a great session.

Soooo tempted…

This is what I suspected. I have the same experience. Most of my clients are massage clients (sensual / erotic massage…) and the no show rate is below 1%. For escort type work, the rate of no show is higher. I think deposits are a very blunt tool to use to weed out flakes but I do occasionally request them, especially if the booking involves escort type work, travel and another escort (duo session). However to avoid deposit requests I try to detect the flakes when they make contact. The signs are there: a flaky initial message: ‘hey’ or ‘how much?’ Both openings are a 99% certain sign of a flake. The casualness is a big red flag. Then the interaction veers towards sexting where they describe what they want, some even send pics to show me what positions they want. If these guys do actually get to the stage of making a booking (usually it’s all just chat) then I tell them I’ll send them a reminder text the day of the session or night before if it’s a morning session. If they don’t respond to that message within a hour then I’ll assume they changed their minds and I won’t attend the booking. Most of the time they don’t respond or they come back with ‘hi something came up so I can’t make it’ and that’s a bullet dodged for me because I’m sure they’d forgotten or booked when horny and had no intention of turning up. Sometimes I’ve declined to take bookings from clients because they just have too many red flags: the ‘hey’ opening, the elaborate descriptions of what they want to do, requests for pics, sending pics, comments like ‘definitely up for this’ (which I translate as ‘I’m so horny right now I’m going to wank to the thought of it and then lose interest completely and forget I booked’), the requests for discounts because they’re either hot (their definition), a virgin, unemployed, deserve it, or just because they think I’m desperate. These are ‘clients’ I don’t need or want. I’m so with @Daniel84 on this because when a flake does get through it’s not so much that I’m upset at the lost time and money it’s the real hurt it gives me to have been taken in and that he can be so blasé about my work. When you really try hard to do a good job it hits you badly when that is treated with indifference.