Jamie21

He is. You should be glad you walked away. If you hired him it’s most likely to be disappointing and you’d regret it.

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Maybe a little perspective is needed? As a masseur I know there are clients who are scammers- these people prey on sex workers (often female sex workers because of the power imbalance, but also on guys). I know because I’ve come across one or two and because I get informed of them through sites where we (sex workers) can report such individuals. This isn’t about reporting clients who are just a bit difficult to deal with or who are awkward (that stays private) but it’s clients who are physically threatening, refuse to pay, or who deliberately harass. So we as providers do have places to report such individuals and share information about them. I know the numbers and names they use, I know how they operate. I’m glad I know. What the OP is talking about is I think the reporting on here of the worst masseur / sex worker scammers. Not the guys who give a mediocre massage or who promise to kiss and then don’t etc. That’s just a bad product or a buyer who bought with his cock not his head. I see some examples of that on here…where the client was disappointed but it’s not a scam, it’s just either the client had unrealistic expectations or the provider over promised or even there was a misunderstanding about the service. The same provider is mentioned elsewhere by other clients in glowing terms. Readers can almost always see things for what they are: the client being unrealistic or the provider having an off day. It happens. I’m mentioned on here by some clients (always in glowing terms of course 😉) but I’m sure there’s somewhere online where a client mentions me expressing some kind of disappointment. We can’t please everyone. I hope that most discerning clients can look at the overall reputation of a masseur or escort on here and elsewhere and come to their own conclusions. To be honest if a client makes a decision not to hire based on one comment from someone they don’t know then I probably don’t want that kind of client anyway.

Yep, I remember 😉. You’re telling me I could have charged you more 😳. Damn..

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Wow, you truly understand it. This is exactly how I try to work. That’s the answer.

If you’ve done the massage correctly then the ‘happy ending’ is simply the sine qua none to a great sensual massage. It cannot therefore be a chore unless the whole sensual massage is a chore, in which case why would one even do sensual massage in the first place?

There’s also Sweatbox in Soho, which is larger than Pleasuredrome, and it has a gym. There’s a few other smaller saunas around (one in Kennington, one near Marble Arch) which feel ‘local’. If you want a nice massage after your visit to the sauna my studio is within walking distance of Sweatbox or the Covent Garden sauna (just saying 😉).

I have Revolut. It’s very easy and flexible. Better than PayPal IMO.

Don’t overthink it. Just book him if you want to try him. You don’t say how you saw he was offering services though? I assume he wasn’t advertising on Grindr (they don’t like you soliciting for work on their app). Book him via his massage services profile, wherever that is, rather than via Grindr.

I was referring to misconceptions about the costs independent masseurs have. Guys assume that because I charge say £150 for an hour then I’m on £1200 a day, £250k a year, and use that as justification for not tipping. That I have zero costs (no advertising costs, no supplies costs, no accommodation costs, no healthcare costs). That’s the misconception about how the business works.

The endless tipping debate. Notice that masseurs / escorts aren’t making much comment, and when they do it’s just to say ‘I’m pleased to get a tip but I don’t expect one’… that kind of thing. We generally don’t get worked up about it. I think it’s a hirer thing. The reasons given in this thread for whether or not clients tip are almost all to do with themselves and their views (often mistaken) on how the business works and not much to do with the actual service provided. Tipping seems to be more about making the hirer feel good about themselves or setting right inconsistencies or injustices they see in the provider’s pricing or adjusting some power dynamic. That’s fine, tip or don’t tip, up to you, but it really isn’t a big issue for providers. It’s appreciated of course but that’s it. It has no impact on how I set my rates, on what’s included in the session, on how I view the client or on whether I accept a future booking. What does impact those things is how respectful, clean, on time, reliable, regular etc the client is. Not whether he tips.

Since the early 60’s I think. It’s not especially old (in London terms).

If you go too far he will signal that to you, perhaps by moving your hand or by moving himself away from your hands. When I give massages I welcome clients touching me back, it’s great feedback. But sometimes they go too far too fast. If he’s touching me too much I might move towards his feet or out of reach so that I can slow things down a little. Touch as much as you like but be prepared for him to take charge on how much of it you can do.

There’s some obvious red flags: Pictures too good to be true, complicated procedures to go through to book / meet, requests for deposits. A combination of these should mean you’re best to walk away. Decent guys will have honest pictures (of them), be simple to hire and will only ask for payment after they’ve delivered the service.

I’ve visited the US many times but I won’t be back anytime soon. The risk of being turned away at the border is too high. I don’t put my face on my adverts but I do share it if clients ask. Understanding how zealous and censorious US border agents are I’d not want to take the chance that they know me and what I do.

I take cash (any currency, clients have paid me in £, US$, €) and can accept all credit cards. Venmo isn’t used here as far as I’m aware. PayPal is possible but I don’t like it. If you have a bank account with a platform like Revolut you can pay me from that too very easily (including payment in Crypto 😬). Banking is much more advanced here in Europe than it is in the US.

I always find that if the client’s legs are wide, back slightly arched, they enjoy (audibly) the inner thigh work…then it’s a sign to me that their bum needs plenty of work, in every way. Perhaps you need to signal this whilst on the table? If he’s up for it he’ll read the signs. If he’s not then he’ll gently close your legs and ensure the towels stay in place.

The problem is usually only one person gets the water. I think hotels need to offer two shower heads so that we can shower together and both get the hot water. Or provide really big rainfall shower heads.

There’s comfort and assurance in the familiar that some clients like. I have a regular who has I feel has trained me to deliver what he wants, or needs. In that sense, I feel like the widget. He’s clearly had some issues when he was younger, and that has influenced how he thinks about sex and how he can satisfy himself. The session is like a role play of what happened. I’ve tried to vary things, introduce different elements, explore and be less formulaic (which most clients like) but this guy wants the same scenario played over again, including specific words I use, positions and wearing the same clothing etc. He brings me back to it if I move away because nothing else works for him. I recognise what @haring222 says about taking the client because he’s reliable and regular but also resenting him because of the dynamics of the session. I really want to say to that client that he needs a therapists help rather than a session with me. I help him get off but I don’t think I’m helping him move on or to just have fun. Seeing clients usually leaves me feeling great but occasionally there’s those that drain you, literally and figuratively. Those kind of sessions you end up treating the client like a widget, yet they still come back.

Sorry I can’t help, on seeing the title of this topic, to add my homage to London Calling by The Clash. Here’s London Pricing by The London Masseur. London pricing to the faraway clients Now war is declared, and battle come down London pricing to the underworld Come out of the closet, you boys and girly boys London pricing now don't look too cheap Phoney clients have pockets too deep London pricing, see we ain't got no rock Except for the ring of that truncheon size cock (Chorus) The price age is coming, the fun’s zooming in Meltdown expected, the lube is growing thin Engines stop rubbing, but I have no fear 'Cause London is growing, and I live by the Rentmasseur. London pricing to the client’s moan Forget it brother, you can wank off alone London pricing to the zombies of cheap Quit holding out, in your pocket dig deep London pricing, and I don't wanna shout But while we were fucking, I saw you nodding out London pricing, see we ain't got no sale Except for that one with a cock like a whale (Chorus) The price age is coming, the fun’s zooming in Engines stop rubbing, the lube is growing thin A pricing error, but I have no fear 'Cause London is expensive, and I, I live by the Rentmasseur…

I do! It’s constant up and down 😉

Here’s the facts, for the avoidance of misunderstanding about OnlyFans. 1. If you ask an Onlyfans model on the platform about hiring them they won’t respond. Why? Because it will result in their Onlyfans being shut down. The platform won’t support that kind of thing (hypocritical yes…but that’s their policy). 2. Guys on Onlyfans are marketing their content. It’s designed to get you to subscribe to watch. Just like advertising for any other product. Caveat emptor applies. Ensure you buy with your head not your cock. 3. The person interacting with you in messages probably won’t be the actual model you watch, especially if they’re a very popular model. Do you really think these guys sit around all day replying to the same messages? They outsource it to a management company which uses people (and AI) to reply. 4. There’s nothing wrong with guys producing content on Onlyfans. It has liberated people who want to make porn (or other content) from the control of studios. Now the model is in charge of what they make, what they charge and when it’s published etc. They’ll succeed or fail depending on how well they connect with their audience. How do I know? I make Onlyfans (and Justforfans) content and have done for years. I get regular contact from managers /agents asking if I want to use them to help me with it. I decline them because I have a guy who does some of that work (editing and uploading/scheduling). I respond myself to messages from fans because it’s manageable for me (I’m not one of the big models 😢 although I’m in the top 10% on Onlyfans and the top 2% on Justforfans - you can imagine there’s a very long tail of models with only a handful of subscribers and a small number of models in the top 1% with subscribers in the tens of thousands). I find doing the films is fun, I like that it gives me some creative outlet and the guys I film with are almost always really nice and interesting people. But it’s different to seeing clients in person and I prefer that. With a client you can focus on the client 100%, whereas when making a film you’re thinking about camera angles, what will look good and who is doing what. The final edit looks great but you should remember the boring bits have been edited out: the less flattering views, the part after sex where his cock wasn’t clean 💩! and where someone had to stop to pee. All that messy stuff that happens in a real session is edited out. You’re watching something that isn’t real. Enjoy it but don’t get drawn in to thinking it’s real, and that by engaging with the model or hiring him you’ll get exactly that experience.

Yes you’re probably overthinking it. I’ve asked clients if they are ok to move a pre booked time. It’s usually to accommodate another booking. If they say no then it’s fine, we stick to the original plans. If they’re flexible then that’s great, we reschedule. I make it clear to them when asking that if it’s any trouble to them then the original booking holds. First come first served and all that.

Oh yes I always forget that because it seems so normal and sensible for adults to be able to discuss escorting openly. Unfortunately if you live in a more conservative country you will need to be discreet. Aside from that it’s a good idea to book a guy for massage style services to see if you like him. If the first meeting goes well then broach the idea of a more escort style session for your next visit. He’s more likely to say yes if you both got along nicely.