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I don’t dispute what you write @Wolfer but I strongly suspect that those are asking rates and, in current conditions, very negotiable

Clean shaven…tho designer stubble is OK on a hot guy

Underwear always. I prefer my guys to wear sexy and well-fitting white briefs, and it’s why I take a new guy shopping for underwear after a successful first date. It’s really for my enhanced pleasure. As I sometimes explain: if a man doesn’t wear sexy underwear, how can I bite it off?

Fascinating. I had no idea it could be found outside Portugal. I wonder if you may find it in Latin America? As I understand it, only the final part is done on horseback. The first stage (mandar/to command) would seem especially odd to me if done on horseback. I guess the ‘toreros’ would all learn to fight on foot, and only some would be gifted horse-riders too.

I don’t disagree with you @Epigonos. But I’ve also found a variation in expectations. I had several dates with a 21year old blond muscleboy before I suggested an overnight. He shocked me with his rate and I knew him well enough to ask why. He explained that he’d only done 1 overnight before, and that was with a fit guy in his late 20s, and he charged $2000 because the guy topped him 5-6x during the night and also wanted morning sex! I envisaged that I would top him before dinner, then we’d sleep until he gave me a morning blowjob - he immediately said Great and lowered his rate to $700. He actually gave me a midnight blowjob too, so I gave him $800…and we had many dates afterwards.

And, as I guess all of us have learned from experience, price is not correlated with performance.

Great face and torso. Well chosen @mattr Do you happen to know his name?

Danilo was very handsome IMHO but this pic is old. I know it’s a matter of opinion but now that he has so many large tattoos, I find him much less attractive A lovely photo of a hot young Brazilian I met once years ago...now he’s a personal trainer in Florida and heavily steroidal.

Was that Knightcall or Knightboys @WilliamM?

You’re absolutely right @jeezifonly. A client should never hire for an overnight date without first taking a test-drive for an hour or two. But the OP was asking for numbers; can you help by talking about current rates you’ve paid? And @ffdave is right too about exceptional men asking much higher rates. Years ago, I got to know a very handsome muscleboy in LA - he asked $350 an hour and $1750 overnight way back then. I messaged him about any flexibility and he asked me to phone him and talk. We ended up talking 2-3x a week as he was interested in visiting me in Europe. When I met him in LA, we had a lot of fun together and we had 3 overnight dates in the first week as I paid the agreed $1000 each time. Now if he’d insisted on the full $1750, I might well have thought “I’ve scratched that itch” and not repeated.

I adore bullfighting @BSR and I’ve been lucky to get tickets for some exceptional events. I would like to see the once-a-year event ‘a la goyesca’ in Ronda where all the participants dress in 18thC costume, but the person I usually get tickets from tells me that tickets for that are so rare. I’ve only heard of a ’rejoneo’ in bullfighting in Portugal. For me, it would very much adversely change the final part of the fight where the man approaches on foot to kill the bull.

You’re forgetting Charles-Laurent’s main claim to fame @azdr0710. He’s the first mainstream male model to have been pictured unashamedly - not half-hidden, not in shadow, not artistically hinted at - with his cock out on various sites including Grindr

I’m quite sure @ericwinters that you know the answer is “it depends”. Factors would be any inclusion of a meal (lunch/dinner) in the 6 hour date and what physical activity is foreseen (multiple bouts of sex) versus sleeping time in the overnight date. That said, I’d expect in the US the 6hour date would run about $1000 and an overnight $1000-1500. Note: I haven’t hired in years; and I’d expect the very best-looking guys to command higher rates. As @Quincy_7 notes above, rates can be much lower in Latin America but you’d have to provide a good dinner and possibly take the guy shopping afterwards. In the majority of Western European countries, overnight rates wouldn't be much less

I haven’t visited St Louis in 20 years but I recall how dangerous certain parts were ‘after hours’. Is the club out in the sprawling but safe suburban areas?

I can venture some thoughts @Studsearcher. Most male models earn very little. Their income is sporadic yet their maintenance bills are constant (shared apartment rental, gym membership dues, quality food costs etc). Catalogue work used to be well paid but rates have been declining. The only high income for a model now is to be the ‘face/body’ of a new fragrance. In consequence, models often work other jobs and many are receptive to discreet offers. Paid travel to a resort and a complimentary stay can be attractive to many guys. There are many amateur ‘photographers’ who will offer to pay a model for his time and cash-in-hand is usual. Some models will do a great deal more...and some will earn good money. And as @sniper suggests, becoming a social influencer reinforces a model’s standing as would-be clients check a model’s following on social media.

I agree @jeezopete. I understand @azdr0710 that this is your desire, but I could never vacation in the Maldives where homosexuality is criminalized and Shariah law rules.

Interesting responses. I’m European so he definitely seems heavy to me - the largest muscleboy I ever topped was 6ft 3in and 210lbs. I just checked the BMI calculator used in Europe and, even assuming he is very physically active, he’s shown as overweight with a BMI of 27.9. It suggests he try to lose weight.

I don’t know him @Llguy but reading his stats, he seems remarkably heavy for a young man aged 22.

I know @Lucky was merely being satirical, and @marylander1940 mentioned the thread about Seeking, but I think there are all sorts of relationships among gay men. Over the years, I’ve heard from friends and boyfriends of the very different arrangements that constitute a relationship. I’ve also learned from various guys at the gym that they have very different views to mine on what defines casual sex or having a fuckbuddy. After all, I was in my early 50s when I first visited Argentina and I was so surprised to find that as an ‘older man’ I was considered attractive. I realised, of course, that having a big thick wallet helped, but it was still shocking (and delightful) to be hit on by younger men in a variety of social situations in that country. Argentina simply has a different culture. So I do certainly think that the range of meetings/dates available on Seeking may appeal to a range of gay men, and I wouldn't discount the experiences some men have related here.

I’ve no input on an actual tantric session with him @LDNGuy121 but I recall this site being created. It was set up more than 10 years ago by some London escorts, who’d been working for years but wanted to advertise in mainstream media. They claimed to offer tantric sessions but really were just escorts. I checked the website and some of the original guys are still working. If you are interested in the tantric services, I suggest you check closely as to what the different sessions comprise and whether the guy is actually expert in tantra.

I don’t know the answer to your question @Gymowner I believe I saw Jason once at the Folsom Street Fair, and spoke briefly to him. I was never sure where he was from; his accent was mid-Atlantic - was he British originally?

Such a great film. Matt Damon’s acting was terrific and convincing, while Jude Law has never looked prettier.

I believe that he did. As you said, he died very young - IIRC early 30s. I assumed it was the result of too many steroids.

I have had similar house-guests in the past @The_Impeccable_G I had great experiences with various young Brazilian models coming to Europe for the first time. Also, I’ve had young Australian, American, Italian, Slovak and Polish house-guests. As @FrankR noted above, it pays to be clear (but not crass) about your expectations. And of course, it’s costly - young men eat lots of good food - and I’d have to buy 2 tickets for trips, concerts etc but I enjoyed their company. I have no problem in being clear and open, but I always resist labels. I was surprised at first at just how readily - without my asking - fit young men (often with girlfriends back home) would join me in bed to express their gratitude for my hospitality in London and Spain. The only times I had problems is when I hadn’t thought to institute a “house-rule” on certain behaviors. I spelled out “no drugs in my house” but I was relaxed about most things. I had to institute a rule of “no female guests overnight” after I encountered one at breakfast. She was the friend of the hot young Brazilian I had staying with me, and after she’d left, I said to him that her presence overnight made me uncomfortable and that he should go to her place for sex in future. He was a thoroughly nice guy and apologized immediately for not asking me first...and that evening as I was reading a book, he came into my room in just his briefs to make sure I was happy with him.

You’ve had great advice here @Todd Jenkins and I wonder if I can help given my own experiences. Escorts provide companionship but it’s transactional. They can be very useful and helpful in meeting your needs. But if you want something more aka a boyfriend, you have to look elsewhere, cultivate friendships, volunteer at gay groups and charities etc. From the age of 21, I was always in monogamous relationships. Each lasted several years but the longest one (15years) broke up when I was aged 48. I hadn’t dated in years and I rediscovered my libido by hiring attractive men. I also volunteered to work for a couple of gay charities and joined 2 gyms to work out with personal trainers to get very fit (and Yes to meet attractive younger men at the gyms). I enjoyed the sex and the variety of men very much. I also knew deep down that I prefer the connection and intimacy that comes from a steady relationship with a boyfriend. I set about finding such a boyfriend - there were 2 false starts (a beautiful muscleboy who made all the running but who was really screwed up from working previously as an escort; and a lovely guy who was insecure and who left abruptly after 5 years) and I had a LOT of bad dates. But it finally worked out for me (6 years ago and continuing). All I can do is urge you to keep putting yourself out there. Decide on what meets your fundamental needs and try to find that man. Don’t beat yourself up if you resort to an escort: it’s consensual sex between 2 adults.