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You made the right decision @leftbench23 I had a similar experience years ago. An escort who was ‘my type’ had rave reviews here and he was also strongly rated by a fellow-poster. He proved difficult to meet, but I agreed to his insisted-upon 4pm at his place. I arrived at 3.50pm but then phoned to say I was early, and asked if I could come up; he said No and told me to wait...and called me at 4.20. I had waited so I went ahead. He wanted me to top him on the sofa; I suggested it’d be better in his bed; he said No, he slept there…and usually went to clients’ places. I’m pretty sure he faked orgasm as I fucked him from behind, and he tried to get me to leave before 5pm. He said “the hour’s up” and grew indignant with me when I pointed out it was only 40minutes. Because the whole experience was ‘meh’, for the ‘hell of it’ I suggested he cut his agreed fee by 1/3rd and he was furious. I paid in full and left. It was a great and early learning experience for me. Poor customer service was something I never tolerated again, and if I encountered it I always moved on.

Thank you for the link @Whitman - I had no luck finding it before. And thank you to @harey - as I mention above, I really enjoyed reading the article.

@ericwinters were you the person who posted in another thread earlier about Cognitive Dissonance? I’ve searched but I cannot find that post. There was a link to an article in The Atlantic and I just wanted to note how greatly I enjoyed reading the article.

Thanks for reminding me @MikeBiDude. I know (of course) of the book but I’ve never read it. I’ll order it today.

I don’t dispute what you write @Wolfer but I strongly suspect that those are asking rates and, in current conditions, very negotiable

Clean shaven…tho designer stubble is OK on a hot guy

Underwear always. I prefer my guys to wear sexy and well-fitting white briefs, and it’s why I take a new guy shopping for underwear after a successful first date. It’s really for my enhanced pleasure. As I sometimes explain: if a man doesn’t wear sexy underwear, how can I bite it off?

Fascinating. I had no idea it could be found outside Portugal. I wonder if you may find it in Latin America? As I understand it, only the final part is done on horseback. The first stage (mandar/to command) would seem especially odd to me if done on horseback. I guess the ‘toreros’ would all learn to fight on foot, and only some would be gifted horse-riders too.

I don’t disagree with you @Epigonos. But I’ve also found a variation in expectations. I had several dates with a 21year old blond muscleboy before I suggested an overnight. He shocked me with his rate and I knew him well enough to ask why. He explained that he’d only done 1 overnight before, and that was with a fit guy in his late 20s, and he charged $2000 because the guy topped him 5-6x during the night and also wanted morning sex! I envisaged that I would top him before dinner, then we’d sleep until he gave me a morning blowjob - he immediately said Great and lowered his rate to $700. He actually gave me a midnight blowjob too, so I gave him $800…and we had many dates afterwards.

And, as I guess all of us have learned from experience, price is not correlated with performance.

Great face and torso. Well chosen @mattr Do you happen to know his name?

Danilo was very handsome IMHO but this pic is old. I know it’s a matter of opinion but now that he has so many large tattoos, I find him much less attractive A lovely photo of a hot young Brazilian I met once years ago...now he’s a personal trainer in Florida and heavily steroidal.

Was that Knightcall or Knightboys @WilliamM?

You’re absolutely right @jeezifonly. A client should never hire for an overnight date without first taking a test-drive for an hour or two. But the OP was asking for numbers; can you help by talking about current rates you’ve paid? And @ffdave is right too about exceptional men asking much higher rates. Years ago, I got to know a very handsome muscleboy in LA - he asked $350 an hour and $1750 overnight way back then. I messaged him about any flexibility and he asked me to phone him and talk. We ended up talking 2-3x a week as he was interested in visiting me in Europe. When I met him in LA, we had a lot of fun together and we had 3 overnight dates in the first week as I paid the agreed $1000 each time. Now if he’d insisted on the full $1750, I might well have thought “I’ve scratched that itch” and not repeated.

I adore bullfighting @BSR and I’ve been lucky to get tickets for some exceptional events. I would like to see the once-a-year event ‘a la goyesca’ in Ronda where all the participants dress in 18thC costume, but the person I usually get tickets from tells me that tickets for that are so rare. I’ve only heard of a ’rejoneo’ in bullfighting in Portugal. For me, it would very much adversely change the final part of the fight where the man approaches on foot to kill the bull.

You’re forgetting Charles-Laurent’s main claim to fame @azdr0710. He’s the first mainstream male model to have been pictured unashamedly - not half-hidden, not in shadow, not artistically hinted at - with his cock out on various sites including Grindr

I’m quite sure @ericwinters that you know the answer is “it depends”. Factors would be any inclusion of a meal (lunch/dinner) in the 6 hour date and what physical activity is foreseen (multiple bouts of sex) versus sleeping time in the overnight date. That said, I’d expect in the US the 6hour date would run about $1000 and an overnight $1000-1500. Note: I haven’t hired in years; and I’d expect the very best-looking guys to command higher rates. As @Quincy_7 notes above, rates can be much lower in Latin America but you’d have to provide a good dinner and possibly take the guy shopping afterwards. In the majority of Western European countries, overnight rates wouldn't be much less

I haven’t visited St Louis in 20 years but I recall how dangerous certain parts were ‘after hours’. Is the club out in the sprawling but safe suburban areas?

I can venture some thoughts @Studsearcher. Most male models earn very little. Their income is sporadic yet their maintenance bills are constant (shared apartment rental, gym membership dues, quality food costs etc). Catalogue work used to be well paid but rates have been declining. The only high income for a model now is to be the ‘face/body’ of a new fragrance. In consequence, models often work other jobs and many are receptive to discreet offers. Paid travel to a resort and a complimentary stay can be attractive to many guys. There are many amateur ‘photographers’ who will offer to pay a model for his time and cash-in-hand is usual. Some models will do a great deal more...and some will earn good money. And as @sniper suggests, becoming a social influencer reinforces a model’s standing as would-be clients check a model’s following on social media.

I agree @jeezopete. I understand @azdr0710 that this is your desire, but I could never vacation in the Maldives where homosexuality is criminalized and Shariah law rules.

Interesting responses. I’m European so he definitely seems heavy to me - the largest muscleboy I ever topped was 6ft 3in and 210lbs. I just checked the BMI calculator used in Europe and, even assuming he is very physically active, he’s shown as overweight with a BMI of 27.9. It suggests he try to lose weight.

I don’t know him @Llguy but reading his stats, he seems remarkably heavy for a young man aged 22.

I know @Lucky was merely being satirical, and @marylander1940 mentioned the thread about Seeking, but I think there are all sorts of relationships among gay men. Over the years, I’ve heard from friends and boyfriends of the very different arrangements that constitute a relationship. I’ve also learned from various guys at the gym that they have very different views to mine on what defines casual sex or having a fuckbuddy. After all, I was in my early 50s when I first visited Argentina and I was so surprised to find that as an ‘older man’ I was considered attractive. I realised, of course, that having a big thick wallet helped, but it was still shocking (and delightful) to be hit on by younger men in a variety of social situations in that country. Argentina simply has a different culture. So I do certainly think that the range of meetings/dates available on Seeking may appeal to a range of gay men, and I wouldn't discount the experiences some men have related here.

I’ve no input on an actual tantric session with him @LDNGuy121 but I recall this site being created. It was set up more than 10 years ago by some London escorts, who’d been working for years but wanted to advertise in mainstream media. They claimed to offer tantric sessions but really were just escorts. I checked the website and some of the original guys are still working. If you are interested in the tantric services, I suggest you check closely as to what the different sessions comprise and whether the guy is actually expert in tantra.

I don’t know the answer to your question @Gymowner I believe I saw Jason once at the Folsom Street Fair, and spoke briefly to him. I was never sure where he was from; his accent was mid-Atlantic - was he British originally?