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@FrankR I like the observation you posted from Darrin Patrick

If no-one ever spent money on pleasure, the world’s oldest profession would cease to exist.

It was a long time ago - when Premier was operating and had a good roster of guys - I can’t recall really but it was something like Jon/Jonathon.

I agree @Trebor. Here you go… https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-P4rrpLAdK4Q/WoG-ETuNHwI/AAAAAAAAPzA/a2cbSPG0QvsgfEHkN1dY8Yj5UsSqKcDBACLcBGAs/s1600/jacob%252Btumblr_owd9qzPoOX1qjaj7so2_500.jpg&imgrefurl=https://forthebeautifulmen.blogspot.com/2018/02/jacob-dooley-naked-f.html&tbnid=Wxk7szahfuwp5M&vet=1&docid=5dtLPdWycvYIoM&w=467&h=750&q=jacob+dooley%2Bnaked&hl=en_GB&source=sh/x/im

Blond? No. I recall a dark-haired guy who certainly delivered a premier, and very enjoyable, service after I‘d paid a long visit to the Barnes Collection

It was a generous act on your part @Luv2play I hope he remembers and is equally generous with his time when you next meet.

Thank you @njr47. You’re very right. I didn’t recognise him from that photo; it must have been taken some years ago.

Slowly, oh so slowly....out of the closet

So true @Epigonos Exactly my experience too.

Always, and often hands-free @marylander1940

Once you’ve found a guy who interests you greatly, my thought is that you open a conversation along these lines… You look very attractive to me I don’t like rushed sessions as I like to get to know a guy Which works better for you - overnight dates? Or a long date in the daytime? Spell out what you want to do. Eg let’s have lunch together, then come back to my place to play; then go for a walk, play sport, watch a movie; then play together again and you leave at 6/7pm. You get to sleep in your own bed. Only then ask about rate. If it seems high to you, ask if there’s a day when he’s not usually busy. Mention the advantage to him of sleeping in his own bed. If he makes no offer of a reduced hourly rate for a multi-hour booking, move on to the next attractive guy.

You made the right decision @leftbench23 I had a similar experience years ago. An escort who was ‘my type’ had rave reviews here and he was also strongly rated by a fellow-poster. He proved difficult to meet, but I agreed to his insisted-upon 4pm at his place. I arrived at 3.50pm but then phoned to say I was early, and asked if I could come up; he said No and told me to wait...and called me at 4.20. I had waited so I went ahead. He wanted me to top him on the sofa; I suggested it’d be better in his bed; he said No, he slept there…and usually went to clients’ places. I’m pretty sure he faked orgasm as I fucked him from behind, and he tried to get me to leave before 5pm. He said “the hour’s up” and grew indignant with me when I pointed out it was only 40minutes. Because the whole experience was ‘meh’, for the ‘hell of it’ I suggested he cut his agreed fee by 1/3rd and he was furious. I paid in full and left. It was a great and early learning experience for me. Poor customer service was something I never tolerated again, and if I encountered it I always moved on.

Thank you for the link @Whitman - I had no luck finding it before. And thank you to @harey - as I mention above, I really enjoyed reading the article.

@ericwinters were you the person who posted in another thread earlier about Cognitive Dissonance? I’ve searched but I cannot find that post. There was a link to an article in The Atlantic and I just wanted to note how greatly I enjoyed reading the article.

Thanks for reminding me @MikeBiDude. I know (of course) of the book but I’ve never read it. I’ll order it today.

I don’t dispute what you write @Wolfer but I strongly suspect that those are asking rates and, in current conditions, very negotiable

Clean shaven…tho designer stubble is OK on a hot guy

Underwear always. I prefer my guys to wear sexy and well-fitting white briefs, and it’s why I take a new guy shopping for underwear after a successful first date. It’s really for my enhanced pleasure. As I sometimes explain: if a man doesn’t wear sexy underwear, how can I bite it off?

Fascinating. I had no idea it could be found outside Portugal. I wonder if you may find it in Latin America? As I understand it, only the final part is done on horseback. The first stage (mandar/to command) would seem especially odd to me if done on horseback. I guess the ‘toreros’ would all learn to fight on foot, and only some would be gifted horse-riders too.

I don’t disagree with you @Epigonos. But I’ve also found a variation in expectations. I had several dates with a 21year old blond muscleboy before I suggested an overnight. He shocked me with his rate and I knew him well enough to ask why. He explained that he’d only done 1 overnight before, and that was with a fit guy in his late 20s, and he charged $2000 because the guy topped him 5-6x during the night and also wanted morning sex! I envisaged that I would top him before dinner, then we’d sleep until he gave me a morning blowjob - he immediately said Great and lowered his rate to $700. He actually gave me a midnight blowjob too, so I gave him $800…and we had many dates afterwards.

And, as I guess all of us have learned from experience, price is not correlated with performance.

Great face and torso. Well chosen @mattr Do you happen to know his name?

Danilo was very handsome IMHO but this pic is old. I know it’s a matter of opinion but now that he has so many large tattoos, I find him much less attractive A lovely photo of a hot young Brazilian I met once years ago...now he’s a personal trainer in Florida and heavily steroidal.

Was that Knightcall or Knightboys @WilliamM?

You’re absolutely right @jeezifonly. A client should never hire for an overnight date without first taking a test-drive for an hour or two. But the OP was asking for numbers; can you help by talking about current rates you’ve paid? And @ffdave is right too about exceptional men asking much higher rates. Years ago, I got to know a very handsome muscleboy in LA - he asked $350 an hour and $1750 overnight way back then. I messaged him about any flexibility and he asked me to phone him and talk. We ended up talking 2-3x a week as he was interested in visiting me in Europe. When I met him in LA, we had a lot of fun together and we had 3 overnight dates in the first week as I paid the agreed $1000 each time. Now if he’d insisted on the full $1750, I might well have thought “I’ve scratched that itch” and not repeated.