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I met several men using DMs on IG. My advice is to keep your messages succinct and polite. I used to say to guys with ‘fitness’ or ‘muscle building’ profiles that I wanted to get in great shape and was interested in personal training IRL. I told them I was happy to pay appropriately and I gave them a way to respond to me direct. I did not put anything sexual in the DM - nothing about my preferences/wishes etc. Hot guys get a lot of DMs so you want your messages to stand out in a good way. I agree. What surprised me is that several guys told me how nice it was to get a serious message. It turns out that lots of DMs are crudely written and crass. Not so much “OMG you’re so hot!” but more “Wanna fuck?” or “How much? I’ll swallow your load”

I read about this in the NY Post. Horrific story.

Pre-pandemic, I was on vacation in Melbourne, Australia. I happened to lust for a guy who featured on the cover of DNA. Luckily I had contacted him through friends of friends before I went on vacation, and we had chatted online and exchanged photos. Late one afternoon, I thought about him and decided to see if I could set up a date. I wasn’t sure though whether he was based in Sydney or Melbourne. So I walked to an early dinner and sat outside a very good, modern Chinese restaurant in St Kilda (a beach neighbourhood). I’d ordered a drink when a car pulled up outside the place and discharged a small group of guys. My lust object in a checked shirt - the cover guy - was the last to exit the car. I recognised him, smiled as I stared, and he recognised me. I was discreet but said Hello, pretending we were mates, and as the others entered the restaurant, I gave him my hotel room number and fixed a date for after dinner. We had fun 😎

Short answer to the OP: I’m not. For me, it’s happening anyway….no matter what I do. So I focus on having an enjoyable life and I do something nice every single day.

How would you describe his natural role? Versatile, does it all; Masc dom top; Affectionate sub bottom? And what sort of fee for 1-2 hours?

Now we’re getting to it. And now I understand. For those who want to just look, there’s Instagram. For men like me who don’t mind spending their money, there are attractive male models in big cities. All models have only modest and variable incomes to meet large and regular bills. It is extraordinarily rare for a male model to earn significant money from modelling, eg the face of a major fragrance or the body who is the icon of a major fashion label (and paid not to work for rival brands). Per @robberbaron4u: number of thesuperior grade "model' type boys I have encountered on the road of life, he is "asexual" given only to "self service" I’ve dated a great number of male models. I’ve been happy to pay for dinner, take them shopping for underwear & other clothes, and help them pay their bills. On overnight stays and on vacations overseas, we’ve always shared one bed. It's NEVER been a platonic relationship. I can recall two instances where I knew a fit, masculine model was str8 yet he invited himself into my bed; he wanted to show his appreciation for all that I’d done for him. One man was Brazilian, one man was Italian. I’ve been surprised at how much a str8 man will do to please a gay man. I can also recall three instances where I took a handsome model to dinner, but it didn’t go any further. My rules for dating were inflexible. We had to share some activities or cultural interests, and they had to be interesting people. If they didn’t show much interest in me, I would simply ask after the 2nd or 3rd dinner whether they wanted to come home with me and stay for breakfast. If the answer was No, I cut all contact.

I like the background to this story @robberbaron4u but here’s the part I don’t understand: “He’s in the process of writing a tell-all book” Why? He’s a young adult, and I presume he’s still handsome and has maintained a fit, muscular physique. From what you write, he lives close to London. (I’ve been to Peacehaven to visit a friend, and the public train service is very fast and efficient.) Why does he not offer personal services in London (or England generally) where the work is legal and well-paid?

We went to the London premiere. I met Harry Lighton there too, as he was at school with my partner. HL was there with his parents(!) @d.anders I’d never describe HL as handsome. He was very fey in person, poorly dressed and looked in need of a “deep clean” from a long shower or bath. We both enjoyed the movie, but I was disappointed that they showed a censored version. Apparently the screening at Cannes was ‘uncut’. The movie is worth seeing but check first what version will be screened

Why? Too intimate?

His ad shows a very nice physique. But how is it possible that he describes himself as 22 and a “daddy-type”?

Well, I for one applaud his tendency to ”ignore low efforts” - I felt it meant that clients have to submit their proposals on vellum. Obviously, it’s just wrong for men to assume that, because they pay a lot of money, they can be lazy in bed or not cater to his every whim 😉

He looks attractive…but I assume you’ve seen that he defines as str8. I guess you’ll have to be very specific about what you enjoy, and enquire what he will or will not do.

A small aside: you’ll recall that Penelope Keith starred opposite Felicity Kendal in The Good Life, a TV show that was hugely popular for several years…. and we saw Felicity Kendall (soon to be 80) starring in a 5* production of the musical ‘High Society’ just last week in London

This brings back good memories. Years ago, Little Beach was renowned as a popular spot to meet. It’s where I first met a handsome fit-bodied 23year old who was a film student at USC. As two single men walking along the beach late-afternoon, it was easy to strike up a conversation. He was conflicted about being gay and I was his ‘first’. We didn’t make use of the tree-cover as I took him back to Wailea, to my hotel room with a superking bed. We ended up dating in LA for over a year.

How awful. I can only assume they were too trusting and naive. When, in other threads, people talk of moving to a foreign country in retirement, I hope they take crime-rates and local policing into account.

I think that in life in general it’s good to trust everyone. I expect people I socialise with to be friendly and kind. I hope that strangers I meet will be decent people and behave well. All that said, I don’t trust advertising and marketing claims. And I look after my own sexual health, regardless of what others may say.

To answer the OP, it’s VERY important to me. I’m adventurous in bed, but in reality pretty limited as to what I enjoy. I’m a lazy, selfish top with a dominant streak…and I really love to top. I’ve been lucky enough to date several muscleboy-bottoms over the years. The first time this happened for me was when I’d arranged a date with a fit athlete who’d bottom. During the date, not before, he told me he couldn't bottom that evening. Instead, he offered to suck me off and swallow my load. I enjoyed not having to think of pulling out of his mouth before climax. He had good oral skills and it was thoroughly relaxing for me to shoot in his mouth. He liked that I’m a heavy cummer and he swallowed it all. With several bottom guys, I found that after pounding their butts (and sometimes making them cum) I truly enjoyed kicking back and finishing by letting them orally worship me. With guys I was dating regularly, I found that invariably they swallowed my loads. Once at an orgy, I saw bottom-guys competing to swallow various guys’ loads. I recall dating only one guy (a fit Aussie personal trainer) who didn’t like the taste of cum. He asked me ahead of time whether it was OK if he didn’t swallow, but I could unload in his mouth. I felt that was polite of him and I agreed. I also recall with great pleasure a blond ‘Abercrombie’ muscleboy I put through university. He was a talented bottom and enjoyed anal play. He surprised me once by asking me not to cum when I topped him. He wanted to suck me off to completion. That’s when I discovered he found a man unloading in his mouth intensely erotic. As my cum hit the back of his throat, he climaxed without touching himself. He said he loved the taste of my cum. He not only swallowed my load but also he licked my dick clean. I found his ability to orgasm hands-free, excited by the taste of my cum, so remarkable that we incorporated in every date afterwards. My last observation is that in recent years I’ve noticed that many young guys, when playing bottom, expect to swallow loads.

Quite common in my experience. Once in San Francisco, I was so horny when I had a mid-morning date with a nice guy. A lot of kissing preceded my pounding him out…and after orgasm, I started laughing. It set him off too. For a while, we both laughed so much. It took quite some time before he could excite me for Round 2. He did say afterwards that it was the first time he’d laughed so much (in a good way) after sex…and I admitted it was also a first for me.

Sadly I can’t help you. I can only congratulate you on your good taste. He looks to be an attractive young man with a very nice body.

One question @Jmann Did he just “get into” the $$$, and not perform as promised?

If you could find someone to embroider that on a small cushion, I’m sure there’d be great demand 😎

I’m not a sci-fi fan…but I loved the movie and found it hugely entertaining. I’ve recommended it to several people, all of whom enjoyed it.

To answer the OP: my preference is for muscled guys who are the same height as, or somewhat taller than, me. As an affectionate but dominant top, I find love-making much easier with taller guys. When it’s just sex, I can readily top a short king but it isn’t as fulfilling emotionally. I’ve only once had the experience that I suspect short guys have with a much taller guy. I was in Buenos Aires and I arranged to meet ‘Diego’, a versatile, long-haired muscled blond. I went to his apartment one very hot afternoon; he had good AC and we promptly stripped down to our briefs. When we saw we both had on the same brand of tight white briefs, we laughed. Diego was maybe 6’3 and he had a great upper body (more bodybuilder than athlete). It then became awkward as we both tried to take charge. Tho he said he was versatile, he expected to top…but I never bottom. He dealt well with the impasse by saying ‘Relax. Let me do all the work. I’ll take good care of you’. In retrospect, what he did was very vanilla. He spent a lot of time stroking my body and kissing me repeatedly. He only took off my briefs when he’d made me very stiff, and I couldn’t last long as he sucked me off. He then wrapped his arms around me and held me tight. I was very much ‘the little spoon’. He insisted we nap together for about half an hour. I still recall the date clearly because it was so unusual for me. I don’t usually go for bodybuilders; I didn’t take charge; I didn’t get to decide what happened or do any work; and I didn’t get to put his body to good, hard use. He made it all about me being worshipped by him, and he did bring me to a shattering climax. Yet it was an intensely erotic afternoon, and I was profoundly relaxed as I went back to my hotel.

Just an aside. I dated a blond Aussie some years ago. He was a blond muscled giant, 6’5 with a great chest and an excellent bottom. On our first date, I didn’t give it much thought beforehand but it proved to be a workout in a good way. He was quite something to move around physically, put him in various positions as I wanted, having his legs on my shoulders while I pounded his ass, and even keeping my dick inside him as he came.

I’ve no idea of what’s “normal’ in this individual and unregulated activity. Also he may not be “low-balling”. It could be that he’s in need of ready cash and wants a quick, uncomplicated way to earn cash. Or he could be new at this and wants to see how it goes. Or he may have seen higher rates quoted by others, and figured he’d rather have 3-5 ‘regulars’ attracted by a lower rate. Two further observations. 1. Years ago, I met a guy who asked for a ridiculously low amount. We’d had a passionate afternoon in bed where he did all that I like. He asked for ‘gas money’; I gave him the specified amount and then added $100, saying ‘I want you to treat yourself’ to something you like. 2. A long time ago, I had several good dates with a blond muscleboy. He quoted an outrageously high amount for our first overnight. I enquired why, and it transpired that he thought I’d want to top him 6-8x in the night. I explained that I’d buy him dinner and top him before and afterwards, and I like to sleep 8 hours before being sucked off to completion in the morning. He was happy to immediately cut his rate by 70%. He made me very happy too. 😎