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Apparently I grunt. Usually it’s as I climax. I’ve been told twice by bottoms that they find it sexy (which might say more about them than me).

I agree with a lot of what @pubic_assistance wrote. I enjoyed visiting Uruguay 5x but the last time was 12 years ago. I had great vacations at the beach by staying in Jose Ignacio. While I too disliked the built-up Punta del Este, I’d recommend Jose Ignacio for charm, beautiful beaches and good restaurants. But don’t think that it’s cheap: the prices in season back then often rivalled the South of France. Nonetheless, quality matched the prices; both were high. I felt Jose Ignacio was what East Hampton was like in the 1960s (according to my parents’ reminiscing). It felt very safe. Often the beach houses were very smart, yet left empty and unlocked. There was a small crime wave when I was there last: a band of Brazilian criminals had drive overland and robbed stores at gunpoint etc, but the local police (visible police cars parked on the main entry roads) assured me they were hunting them. i have no first-hand knowledge but an Argentine woman, whose elderly parents lived in Montevideo, told me there was a lot of low level crime there. It had worsened in the previous years to such an extent that they had considered moving back to Buenos Aires. Incidentally I was unaware that the ferry crossing was now so rapid, as @TruthBTold stated, that you could get to Buenos Aires in 15 minutes. When I made the crossing several times, it took some hours.

Pity there isn’t a “Dicks Wanted” section in the LA Times classified ads anymore 😎

There are some vile people out there. I’m glad he’s been caught, and that the American judicial system is robust.

Both @ApexNomad and @pubic_assistance have made good points in this thread. As two intelligent and reasonable people, I feel you have to agree to disagree on the above issue. One point that hasn’t been made is regarding clients. Some are inexperienced, some may be regular hourly customers thinking of longer dates, some may need to budget for the expense. And there are some like me. I’m happy to have a reasonable talk with a younger man who has, in my opinion, over-inflated expectations. I know, however, that many people dislike talking about money and charges and get embarrassed. I even disconcerted my fancy (and very expensive) lawyers recently when I asked about the hours I was being billed at partner level and the rates I was being charged for a new trainee to work on my account.

Very odd. Is it known whether he’s gay or closeted? I wonder if the chaplain came onto someone wildly inappropriate such as a young police officer.

Interesting thread overall. i always enjoyed the overnight dates I had. The relaxed times we had talking at a play or gallery visit and over dinner acted as foreplay to the intense erotic times we spent exploring each other. A big part of an overnight date for me was to have my guy fellate me in the morning. I’d wake up early and shower, and get back into bed to be sucked off to completion. The best times we’d cuddle afterwards and then eat breakfast. If ever I found a potential overnight date wasn’t keen to have morning sex, I’d only arrange 2-3 hours in the afternoon or evening with him.

My advice is different. These things happen. And travel sometimes involves delays (cancelled flights, lost baggage etc). The man’s explanation was straightforward, and my guess is that you wouldn’t want to have started your weekend with a stressed and tired date. Since you obviously enjoy his company, I suggest you see him for another date of an hour when you want. Towards the end of that date, you might calmly discuss what happened and how you felt. This would help you judge better whether another weekend would work. I’d have liked more specific detail. From what you wrote, @FaustOustyou were there at least a day before your weekend date was due to start. Did he know your travel plans? Had you discussed your bookings of concerts, dinners etc with him in advance? I always enjoyed longer dates when I was single. And when I discussed the options with a man, I’d be sure to get the details bolted down - not only flight times, concerts or plays we might see, the hotel etc, but also what time I’d pick him up, what sort of clothes he might need (eg beach resort casual but dinner one night at a Michelin starred place) and what sort of time we’d return and I’d drop him off at home. It may seem ‘anal’ or ‘obsessive’ to go into all the minutiae but many young men have never booked their own vacations or an overseas trip, so they might not consider their passport validity. And it helps the young man to focus on all that’s required for him to be ready to go when you want to leave for the weekend. Nonetheless, doing all that I suggest is necessary, I too have been disappointed. One time, a guy I’d had a lot of fun with on overnight dates was very excited to come with me to Africa. I’d given him times, dates etc but only on the day of travel, he found his passport had expired. Another time, I arranged a weekend date with an LA guy who was hugely popular and raved about here. When I called to give him the hotel-room number the first afternoon, he made a weak excuse to cancel - I called him back an hour later using a phone unknown to him, and found he was available that evening - surprise!

All the enthusiastic young men I dated were “offline or private” as you put it. They were more likely to describe themselves as ‘amateurs’. The best muscle-bottom I had regularly never advertised at all. He was very discreet and took new clients only by introduction. The second best, a blond muscleboy, was on Rentboy(as was) for 2 months only. It was enough time for him to garner a small but appreciative clientele, and I appreciated him fully and regularly for some years. Curiously these amateurs never charged top dollar. They were smart and wanted a stable, trustworthy clientele.

Entirely agree: I’ve done that previously with new guys. I say beforehand that it’s for an hour but if it works for both of us, I’d like a second hour. It comes down to human interaction. If the new man is a great bottom, I like to extend(ahem) for a second topping. There have been guys who didn't want a second pounding but they readily found other ways to please and delight me in the extra hour. And there have also been guys that were good for an hour…but I had to ‘suddenly recall’ that I had an appointment across town. They were smart enough to know the time was up and we always parted pleasantly.

I want to respect his privacy but I was in recent contact with Coolwave aka Guest. There’s nothing sinister and physically he is fine. For those who are cynical by nature, as I am, his recent relationship ending badly was unsurprising. It has taken an emotional toll on him and he has decided to take a break from hiring. I’m sure that many of us wish him a speedy recovery. I hope he will be back as I enjoy his posts and observations about the business.

Agree entirely. We saw it in a relaxed screening one afternoon. We both enjoyed it but we were of the same opinion. The first (of two parts in the first half) is tremendous, conveying the chaos and displacement of people after the War, and the second part in the US is engrossing. The second half is rather a mess and I felt the editing could have been better.

I don’t mind what drugs or alcohol adults consume in their own home, but I do not permit them to bring drugs into my house. If on arrival, someone informed me they had drugs with them, I’d kick them out.

You have good taste @Joekgames He’s a handsome young man.

It’s very much your decision as to what you should charge overseas. Since you asked, I feel you should be aware of local market rates. Presumably you’ll be advertising your availability, so I imagine you will discover quickly whether enquiries translate into bookings. In turn, that will tell you if your rates are too high. If you have friends locally or make contacts in those countries you’re visiting, their guidance on rates (as well as social mores and the attitude of law enforcement) will be invaluable. More broadly, US rates are generally much higher than in Europe, Latin America and Africa. That reflects the legality of the business in some countries and a more relaxed approach in more countries as long as there’s discretion in public. I wonder if my own experience may help you decide. Years ago, I twice paid US rates in Latin America. Each of the men had worked in the US; one as an underwear model and the other as a fitness magazine cover-model. Both men suggested I pay the US rate for a date, but they spent much more time with me. One man was with me for all of the afternoon and evening (for just an hour’s rate) while the other asked a very full overnight rate but stayed for 3 nights.

My heart goes out to you @Charlie It is an unfortunate feature of our lives as we age. A lovely old woman (who was much more of a mother to me than my own Mother) once lamented that in her 90s, she had outlived all her old friends. And I’ve been enduring something similar in the last 18 months with the death of some friends of many years. I still have 2 friends from childhood and I have 3 ex-lovers who have been good friends for years. One particular case has hit me hard. A very old friend died and after 40 years of friendship, he relied on me for everything in his last 2 years. He left me his entire estate but I have unresolved grief as, only after his death, did cousins emerge to contest his will. The cousins were truly distant as my friend had no contact of any sort with them in the last 30-40 years. They have been vicious in waging a legal battle and it is emotionally exhausting to spend endless hours in lawyers’ offices going over the past - luckily I have the resources to pay for 2 law firms and an expert Counsel on estate law. It has really brought home to me the importance of not just making a will but ensuring that others cannot contest it (and cannot destroy evidence or steal property). It’s a great asset if you can find younger friends to help you. I have 3 such men in their 30s as friends. And I do have a young lover in his 30s who has been remarkably supportive, loving and helpful during a difficult time for me.

Sorry to read this @Pd1_jap I’ve no idea of your age but the long-term benefits (of exercise and eating well combined with weight loss) are considerable. I’ve always eaten healthily and I take regular exercise. Like you, I wear size 32 pants. Now I’m in my 70s, I notice many people of similar age - and some much younger - looking ill or unwell and moving slowly. It really is better to not carry excess weight. I did have a similar experience to yours about 12 years ago. I was in better shape then and I was hit up online by a nice guy, late 20s fit. We met for a date and it went well….until he confessed it wouldn’t work. He told me he was “into Daddies” and added “but you’re not fat. And Daddies should be fat” Don't lose heart. Keep exercising and eating well. Maybe invest in some nice new clothes that fit you well. I bet you’ll attract interest. (I did and met a lovely young man more than 10 years ago and we’re still together). If it worked for me, it can work for you.

This made me smile.The only time I had to buy poppers was when I was dating a lovely muscleboy. He prided himself on his physique and masculinity and never referred outside the bedroom to his submissive nature. He had a bubble butt. It was the tightest ass and he would always push my cock out at first, so I just had to push it back in. Then we had the best ride, and poppers were a great help.

Very much my experience too. I’m only a top, sometimes lazy and selfish, sometimes dominant, and always attracted to muscleboys. I found that often in their adverts they’d state “top” or “versatile’ but when I enquired specifically as to whether ‘we'd be a good fit’, they readily agreed to bottom. They sometimes mentioned needing extra time to get ready before meeting, but I never had someone ask for an extra fee. To the OP, I’d say that if you find someone attractive or their advert is appealing, just ask him. He might say No but he could suggest some other way to excite and please you.

I have no info for you but I congratulate you @tsgarp on your excellent taste. He looks as if he’d make a very pleasant date for an evening or more.

He has an intriguing approach to marketing. In my opinion, he’s honest to publish a range of photos…but not one of them is flattering.

I feel you have to address your nerves first. Otherwise you won’t have an enjoyable time. I too know people who’ve been kidnapped in Mexico but in both cases it was an “express kidnapping’. Both people were taken in a fashionable area of the capital while alone; one was walking, the other was in a taxi. Each was held for less than an hour and had to give up their bank card and PIN. Each was released unharmed. My simple suggestion is that you stay in a smart and secure hotel in Cancun. And if you hire, suggest you insist he comes to you (offer taxi fares if needed) and invite him first for a drink in a public area of the hotel. Then, if your instincts tell you something is “off” about the guy, politely decline to proceed and give him some money for his time.

I’ve always found it odd that a ‘virgin’ or very inexperienced bottom believes they can charge a high price for a top to have an unsatisfactory time.

If you want useful and accurate advice… perhaps you would state where you’re based (or where you’ll be hiring) and also exactly what you have in mind Something along these lines… I live in Boston but want an overnight date in LA on a weekday (or a weekend). And I want a boyfriend experience, so dinner etc before kissing, making out etc. Or I’m versatile and want to flip-flop during the night Or I’m a top only, I want to top 2x in the night and I like to be woken up by getting oral in the morning

Definitely. I’ve dated a lot of hard-bodied, muscled guys but I’ve never hired just for ‘muscle worship’. But from what I learned years ago on the ‘muscle service station’ website, what the guy who’s being worshipped will allow varies hugely. I did once date a guy in Buenos Aires (tall, handsome, beautifully built) - I’m a top only so was looking for a bottom. He told me beforehand he usually was just worshipped but we agreed on a vanilla date. On arrival, he was in white briefs and we went to bed straightaway. He started kissing and stroking me and I realised he was ‘taking charge’. I pointed this out and his response was ‘Lie back. I’m going to take good care of you’ - and he did. There was a lot of French kissing & stroking, mutual sucking and he brought me off with his hand. He cleaned me up and cuddled me afterwards. Later, I asked him if that was what he usually did. He said No as guys who contacted him were not usually tops or dominant; he normally did some dry kissing but he was stroked, he was sucked off and he charged extra to climax. So I suggest you be very specific about what you want to do and ensure that the two of you will be compatible.