peter831

Generally, my response is "no, thank you."  And it's a deal breaker for me if it's a requirement. 

Any experience with https://rent.men/TreyLeeMforyou?

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So basically you're saying you're a gay man 🤣

It's not uncommon for me to read on here of people who had second experiences that weren't anything like the first. What is it that could be attributed to? I ask because I had that happen to me for the first time ever recently, and I am still stunned by it.
I suppose my expectations were too high, perhaps? I look to myself and am really reaching for the reasons why. I look much different than the last time I had seen him, as did he.

I have had just a few not so good experiences with guys who were well reviewed on RM and on here. Some on here also gave me very positive recommendations about prospective hires in private messages. But one flaked out and was a no-show after re-confirming the appointment, one did not match his photos at all, one was just so-so and left early to go to his next appointment, and another spent most of the time talking and then could not perform. The vast majority of well reviewed guys have been very good, so I assume there were other things going on with the bad experiences that impacted their experience with me. On the other hand, I recently took a chance with someone with no reviews on RM or on here, and I had a great time.

I have had just a few not so good experiences with guys who were well reviewed on RM and on here. Some on here also gave me very positive recommendations about prospective hires in private messages. But one flaked out and was a no-show after re-confirming the appointment, one did not match his photos at all, one was just so-so and left early to go to his next appointment, and another spent most of the time talking and then could not perform. The vast majority of well reviewed guys have been very good, so I assume there were other things going on with the bad experiences that impacted their experience with me. On the other hand, I recently took a chance with someone with no reviews on RM or on here, and I had a great time.

Same experience (never really had a provider not return a call) and most people I’ve discussed this with use burners. It’s more like duh, why would you do anything else? 
And btw @JTtorretto many if not most  providers I know also use burners. Similarly I would expect nothing else. Given that many providers sometimes disappear and reappear, often with new profiles and names and numbers, something tells me they must have good reasons to use burners themselves. 
 

Given that it's a paid service, I'd never consider an escort "out of my league". I've hired plenty of guys that I assume would not give me a second look in a social situation. Early in my hiring career, hiring through an agency, they did advise me that one guy was "not for beginners".  😄 

What to do about it now is a very different question than how you could have handled the situation.  I will focus on the latter, which is what you asked:
What either/both of you should have done is talk about it in the moment so there wouldn't be any weird after-the-fact wondering about the other one's expectations.  As the provider, one could argue that it was his responsibility to broach the subject by saying something like, "Would you like me to spend the night at X rate?" or "If you want, I can stay the night, gratis."   Given he didn't do this, I think that you should have simply said something like, "I'm sorry that my budget is spent for this trip.  You're welcome to stay if you want because I'm really enjoying being with you, but I cannot afford to pay you anything additional this trip."

I don't see why you should mention it. Enjoy it for what it was, and in the future don't have expectations for the same thing to happen. He is in the business of providing what you got, so payment is expected. I'd continue seeing him but with the understanding that at the end, he is a provider and that is his business. Any indication of any more personal should be discussed sensitively.

I find it weird when I get those messages from providers asking if I am interested in scheduling an appointment.
Obviously I'm not.
I looked at the profile and didn't message him.
Pretty clear to me that he was a "pass".
 

I pretty much agree with your post, but I’d like to point out that there’s a simpler explanation for your Tumi example, rather than facial recognition: location tracking, which is also pernicious and much more ubiquitous thanks to the  tracking devices we all carry on our person. 

Its been known for a while now-DHS has scrapped all RM profiles and with facial recognition tech- it pings when they get to the border. 
 
They then check RM for travel dates listed as confirmation- and reject entry as the tourist is intending to work.
 
DHS is doing this under the guise of stopping sex trafficking. it reeks of homophobia.
 
I know two providers this has happened to. Its happened to some Only Fans guys too. I would encourage all to put face photos as private, and perhaps fudge the travel dates they list before visiting.
 
 
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The age-old dilemma of hiring a guy for "erotic massage" and then wondering what, exactly, that means to that provider.  As discussed many times here, there is no set definition of "erotic massage" which, unfortunately, results in some guys advertising that they provide that service when they end up doing nothing more than an untrained body rub with nothing erotic about it other than that they are touching you.  And sometimes it goes the other way, with a masseur providing full service and not just a little mutual touch.  I've had experiences all along the spectrum, so if you really want to know what a specific provider offers before hiring him then you need to ask him.
By the way, in dark mode the text in your post is impossible to read.  When I turn off dark mode your post looks like the others in this thread.  I'm not sure what setting you used in terms of how your posts will appear, but you might want to check that so that your posts are readable in both light mode and dark mode.

This highlights a problem for some sex workers: Just because you are your own boss doesn't mean that you should run your business without regard to the satisfaction of your customers.  Given that scheduling is in the hands of the provider, he can easily set parameters such as "I only take same day appointments" or "I do not take same day appointments."  The only valid excuse for making an appointment that you neither keep nor explicitly cancel in advance is incapacitation.  And it isn't difficult to text someone to cancel or reschedule, so simply ghosting someone makes no sense unless one really doesn't care about one's reputation.

I had a really frustrating scenario on my last trip to Vegas.  I found Casey Everett's profile and reached out a few weeks before my trip to see if something could be set up.  He was really nice and accommodating even confirming the day before our meeting.  Then on the day of, no response and he no shows me.  I sent him a short message basically saying I thought it was not cool to no show and not even let me know he could not make it.  He then blocked me.  I guess he has enough money because if we hit it off, that could have been 4 visits a year toward his income.

You’re not alone.
 He’s now retired.   All 5 star reviews, forum fav, charged $450 for 90 min. BFE.  I guess I got the BF no longer in the mood to interact.  Am I that repulsive?  Seemed to just want to talk.  Not much play.  We had a 8pm appt.  Said he had not been outside the hotel the entire day.  I went along.
 
Surprisingly, he reached out to me a couple of times after, and we texted back and forth.  Guess he just wanted to talk.  On the third time he reached out, it was a simple message he’d be in town, let me know if you want to meet.  I said I enjoyed talking with him, but otherwise we were not a good match.   Never heard from him again. 
 
Too bad, if it had gone better, and the man in those reviews with all the positive adjectives were present, I’d have spent some cash.  Live and learn.  Water under the bridge.

 
 

First of all, I’m sorry this happened to you. While I do check references in this forum before I hire, we all know this is not a guarantee of a great encounter. Remember that YMMV. Also, even with great recommendations here I always follow my own set of rules when hiring. The moment a provider asks for my “Stats” that is a red flag and reason enough for me to move on. I do have to say that I always voluntarily disclose my age when I hire.
As far as what to do now, since his profile is gone from RM, you can't leave a review but you can and should post your experience on here on the most recent thread about the provider to give a heads up to the other members.

Is there any reason you can’t reveal the name of this provider, no matter how well reviewed he’s been?  I, for one, would prefer to avoid this provider. Help us out here, please. 

You have nothing to be embarrassed about. He's anonymous, except to you. With him pulling his ad, he's doing the rest of us a favor.

When you encounter bad escort behavior,  just post it in The Deli. The market can only weed out problems if information is shared.

I pay for no-strings-attached as part of the service and a provider's relationship status is not a factor. Sometimes a provider asks about my status or offers up their status as part of a conversation. I want people to be happy in their relationships and appreciate their open-mindedness to provide a service to me.

Sorry for the late response. I just PMed you.

Bumping. This review has been removed. Anyone with experience?