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[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, guru68 said:

120K in Manhattan gets you what, a broom closet?

Exactly.

It's NOT a lot of money here.

 

 

[+ FrankR]

11 minutes ago, guru68 said:

120K in Manhattan gets you what, a broom closet? Of course, if it is an allowance, you probably have somewhere to sleep as part of the deal. 

You can still find a nice 1 bedroom in Manhattan for less than $3k, if you avoid midtown.  You can live very comfortable (if not luxurious) on $120k a year. Most of my friends do. (I have insider knowledge since I do their taxes and see all their finances).  🤓

[pubic_assistance]

7 minutes ago, FrankR said:

You can still find a nice 1 bedroom in Manhattan for less than $3k, if you avoid midtown.

The average one bedroom in Manhattan is more than 3k now . You would need to avoid most every neighborhood in Manhattan except those you wouldn't want to live in. And "midtown" is hardly a desirable neighborhood anyway. At $3k you're looking in Brooklyn or Queens . MY one-bedrooms ,( in a desirable neighborhood) are going for $5k a month and rent within the hour.  It's a bit bonkers here now. 

[+ FrankR]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

The average one bedroom in Manhattan is more than 3k now . You would need to avoid most every neighborhood in Manhattan except those you wouldn't want to live in. And "midtown" is hardly a desirable neighborhood anyway. At $3k you're looking in Brooklyn or Queens . MY one-bedrooms ,( in a desirable neighborhood) are going for $5k a month and rent within the hour.  It's a bit bonkers here now. 

I keep hearing that, but when I speak to my younger friends, they have no problem finding a sub $3k 1BRs in the upper west side or upper east side. Some even find sub $2k 1BRs in West Harlem or Upper Manhattan.  Most of them dont have a doorman, gym etc, but basically a decent comfortable place.   Regardless, you can live pretty comfortable on $10k a month. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by FrankR

[BetweenTheSheets]

1 minute ago, FrankR said:

I keep hearing that, but when I speak to my younger friends, they have no problem finding a sub $3k 1BRs in the upper west side or upper east side. Some even find sub $2k 1BRs in West Harlem or Upper Manhattan.  Most of them dont have a doorman, gym etc, but basically a decent comfortable place. 

you speak the truth - once people stop fixating on neighborhoods that are "trending", even though NYC housing prices have been and always will be ridiculously out of sync with most other cities, "affordable" places are there to be found with a little bit of work and some flexibility in standards.

but gone are the days, i guess, of $125 apartments in the east village with the famous tub in kitchen, haha

[pubic_assistance]

9 minutes ago, FrankR said:

when I speak to my younger friends, they have no problem finding a sub $3k 1BRs in the upper west side or upper east side.

Like I said. You can find that in inferior neighborhoods such as the UPPER-UPPER West side (Harlem) or the UPPER-UPPER East side ( Harlem ) . Your younger friends are leaving out details about the amount of crime they are willing to risk to get a cheap rent. Most adults like to be able to walk home late at night without fear of being stabbed by a crack-dealer.

Edited August 7, 2022 by pubic_assistance

[+ Lucky]

6 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

 Most adults like to be able to walk home late at night without fear of being stabbed by a crack-dealer.

Why would a crack dealer stab anyone? They should have tons of money!

[BetweenTheSheets]

2 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Why would a crack dealer stab anyone? They should have tons of money!

More to the point, "crack dealers" (which i wonder whether or not it is a coded reference to something quite different) want to avoid drawing the attention of law enforcement, not encouraging it.

just a simple business calculus.

[guru68]

Perhaps the craftier sugar babies are taking the train into "work" like so many New Yorkers.

[+ FrankR]

23 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Like I said. You can find that in inferior neighborhoods such as the UPPER-UPPER West side (Harlem) or the UPPER-UPPER East side ( Harlem ) . Your younger friends are leaving out details about the amount of crime they are willing to risk to get a cheap rent. Most adults like to be able to walk home late at night without fear of being stabbed by a crack-dealer.

Dude! You gotta tone down the drama. And stop reading the New York Post. NYC isnt Baltimore or Detroit. I’ve lived here for decades and its not that bad. 

Edited August 7, 2022 by FrankR

[BtmBearDad]

1 hour ago, FrankR said:

You can live very comfortable (if not luxurious) on $120k a year.

I’d have to disagree with this assessment. $120K nets you about $80K after taxes. That’s about $6600 a month. While it’s true that you can get some deals on rent, those deals are usually outside Manhattan. An example - my nephew found a legitimate 2 bed (LR, EIK, 1 bath) in Astoria for $2K. It’s a prewar, but is on a fairly commercial strip, is in real estate parlance rather “bijou”,  has retail on the ground level, and is a walk up. But he (and his roommate) are 24, in their first jobs after graduating, and are happy as Larry with their digs.  

Unless you’re in a rent stabilized or rent controlled unit, I don’t anyone paying less that $3800 a month for an alcove studio or proper 1 bed in Manhattan. Then toss in your other monthlies - utilities (avg $200), cable ($150), MetroCard ($130), phone ($125), food ($500), dry cleaning/laundry ($100) - you’re left with $365 a week for any discretionary spending - which in Manhattan can (and will) go pretty quickly. Also note that none of this includes a gym membership, or any 401K contributions or other savings. Even on $120K in Manhattan, you still need to be pretty thrifty. 

$120K is a decent salary - but NYC is expensive, Manhattan more so. If asked, my advice is to look into certain neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn where it’s an easy commute to Manhattan, plenty of amenities nearby, and you can still get a legitimate 1 bed for under $2K. 

Just my 2 cents.

BBD

[+ FrankR]

5 minutes ago, BtmBearDad said:

I’d have to disagree with this assessment. $120K nets you about $80K after taxes. That’s about $6600 a month. While it’s true that you can get some deals on rent, those deals are usually outside Manhattan. An example - my nephew found a legitimate 2 bed (LR, EIK, 1 bath) in Astoria for $2K. It’s a prewar, but is on a fairly commercial strip, is in real estate parlance rather “bijou”,  has retail on the ground level, and is a walk up. But he (and his roommate) are 24, in their first jobs after graduating, and are happy as Larry with their digs.  

Unless you’re in a rent stabilized or rent controlled unit, I don’t anyone paying less that $3800 a month for an alcove studio or proper 1 bed in Manhattan. Then toss in your other monthlies - utilities (avg $200), cable ($150), MetroCard ($130), phone ($125), food ($500), dry cleaning/laundry ($100) - you’re left with $365 a week for any discretionary spending - which in Manhattan can (and will) go pretty quickly. Also note that none of this includes a gym membership, or any 401K contributions or other savings. Even on $120K in Manhattan, you still need to be pretty thrifty. 

$120K is a decent salary - but NYC is expensive, Manhattan more so. If asked, my advice is to look into certain neighborhoods in Queens and Brooklyn where it’s an easy commute to Manhattan, plenty of amenities nearby, and you can still get a legitimate 1 bed for under $2K. 

Just my 2 cents.

BBD

Congratulations! Now you know someone who pays less than $3k a month for a roomy (by NYC standards) 1BR on the upper west side.  Maybe I am thrifty since my expenses don’t look nearly as bad as you describe. 
 

And, to be honest, I doubt that many Sugar Babies will be declaring their allowances to uncle Sam so taxes probably don’t come into the calculation.

 

[guru68]

1 minute ago, FrankR said:

Congratulations! Now you know someone who pays less than $3k a month for a roomy (by NYC standards) 1BR on the upper west side.  Maybe I am thrifty since my expenses don’t look nearly as bad as you describe. 
 

And, to be honest, I doubt that many Sugar Babies will be declaring their allowances to uncle Sam so taxes probably don’t come into the calculation.

 

Hopefully none of the daddies try to claim them as dependents.

[pubic_assistance]

24 minutes ago, FrankR said:

I’ve lived here for decades and its not that bad. 

I believe this discussion is currently revolving around a new rental price, not a rent stabilized apartment from the 1980s.

2022 is a rough market for newcomers.

 

 

 

[BtmBearDad]

10 minutes ago, FrankR said:

Congratulations! Now you know someone who pays less than $3k a month for a roomy (by NYC standards) 1BR on the upper west side.

Congratulations to you for nabbing such a deal 👍🏻 I’m sure you realise your situation is far more the exception than the rule anymore in Manhattan. 

You think the monthlies were bad/too high? I was low balling some of them 😂

No matter what you make, it’s always better to be thrifty - that way you have a few dollars put aside for treats like this hobby! 😉

[BetweenTheSheets]

56 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Like I said. You can find that in inferior neighborhoods such as the UPPER-UPPER West side (Harlem) or the UPPER-UPPER East side ( Harlem ) . Your younger friends are leaving out details about the amount of crime they are willing to risk to get a cheap rent. Most adults like to be able to walk home late at night without fear of being stabbed by a crack-dealer.

happy that you live in what you call a desirable location, but curious what you mean by "inferior" neighborhoods.

mind to explain?

[GTMike]

Apologies if i was the one to steer this conversation off topic regarding the communities collective experiences on Seeking.

All i was suggesting is if a sugar baby was demanding $10k/month, (site unseen, not having met etc..), that for that kind of money on an annualized basis the vast vast majority of American workers would be glad to work 40 to 50 hours/ week at their "job" to make $120k/year. 

And in an attempt, perhaps facetiously, i was also suggesting that the sugar baby probably wasn't seriously intending to committ 40 - 50 hours /week, 50 weeks a year to someone in an anonymous 1st time discussion hahaha.

And yes $120k/year is a drop in the bucket for some people and many Sugar Daddy's pay a ton more than that in their hobby. Yes i know, it's a market of supply and demand and i totally agree with that and what it entails!

i'd argue however that the vast majority in terms of the number and volume of sugaring transactions of mutually beneficial and agreeable arrangements take place at a different intersection of that overall supply and demand curve hahaha.

 

 

[MikeBiDude]

Moderator says….let’s get back to Seeking Arrangements vs. NYC rents. Participant @MikeBiDude likes this thread. Let’s keep it on topic.

[guru68]

Yes, it's worth remembering that these "hobbies" are all effective luxury pursuits.

[pubic_assistance]

21 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

let’s get back to Seeking Arrangements vs. NYC rent

Agreed.

My point was that for a Sugar Baby seeking an arrangement in New York City...asking for $ 10K

is not as unreasonable as some of you may think it sounds because NYC virtually has it's OWN economy.

Things are MUCH more expensive here. That isn't debatable. 

Therefore the request of $ 120K annually is within reason within the micro-economy of Business Class New Yorkers who can often make 7 figure salaries.

 

 

 

[Skip]

Okay, I will weigh in here. Each situation is different just as each person is an individual and therefore different. Those who may recoginize my posts know that I have had several "arrangments"  over the last close to 10 years now. I am single but have a very full life, so I am really not looking for someone 24/7. In fact that would be more work than the benefits it brought. So I have never had someone local. I see them about once every 6 weeks. They get an allowance and I pay all expenses. One I paid $2,000 a month. He lived in Philadelphia. Lots of travel and airfares.   One I leased and apartment in NYC for $ 5,000 a month (nice place in Hell's kitchen, no hotel bills) Third one I paid $1,500 a month . Again lots of travel and airfares. Currently a new guy on the west coast, $1,500 a month. Travel is going to be pricey as I fly him first class. He is the best of all and I will probably pay him more if it stays as positive.  All of these guys have had gainful employment and saw me about once every 6 weeks. I am sure that I wasn't the only one they saw, but maybe the only one that compensated them.  They all ended pleasantly for good reaseons, got out of school, transferred etc. I have great memories of all and would greet them fondly if our paths crossed. As for the $120,000 guy. If that's all he did then I suppose the comp is fair. Quite frankly I don't know if would respect someone that was that shall we say shallow? Or want them under foot 24/7.  I like the arrangements (and the escorts) that are using this income as a suplement to their long term goals. Being an old guy. I have run accross guys from the past, and well maybe they weren't that 28YO muscle boy anymore. I like the guys that realize that and have a plan. 

[Kevin Slater]

Moderator's warning:  Gents, what part of stick to the topic (seeking arrangements, not the cost of living in NYC) didn't you understand?  Multiple replies have been hidden.

[Skip]

Wow...lots of hand slapping by the moderator. Staying on topic but addressing the NYC market, I have found the NYC guys on SA to be a lot more realiztic than the guys in random places like Bessemer City NC. You find these guys that are looking for several thousand a month from platonic mentors.  The big city guys are more realistic and likely to understand the market and the unspoken obligations on their part. 

[MscleLovr]

22 hours ago, Skip said:

You find these guys that are looking for several thousand a month from platonic mentors.

When I was on Seeking (years ago), I had a standard ‘Thanks for your interest but No, thanks’ response for such guys.
 

Some were just exploring but if they were goodlooking, I added that I was fit and in good shape and had a healthy appetite for a full physical relationship. 

22 hours ago, Skip said:

big city guys are more realistic and likely to understand the market and the unspoken obligations on their part. 

That was my experience too @Skip. I’m always attracted by intelligence and I found that intelligent young men understood readily.
 

Nonetheless I always spelt out what I was offering and what I sought in return. I never left anything “unspoken”. as I was keen to avoid confusion and disappointment. I had quite a few dates with young men. Inevitably some were guys that just wanted a good time (dinner or theatre&dinner) but didn’t want to get into bed. They were easy to cut off. And I did find several handsome young men who were eager to please, and I had a lot of fun with them on a regular basis, including trips and vacations. 

[peter803]

So good to hear you guys had success. I'm stuck in the hotel lonely and pissed. Have been talking to this good-looking guy in a small town 60 miles south of  Boston. He was so sweet and eager during the past one week of texting and video chatting, so I booked the hotel and hopped on a plane from the South. Things then went south after that. Very few communications. The only one he had is for half the allowance up front to meet in person. Of course I refused. Now I'm stuck in the hotel till Monday. I still couldn't figure out what signals I missed. Everything was so perfect until I boarded the flight. Is this the new trick of scammers?