*Deposit, nudes, and sexting

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 minutes ago, Mark_fl said:

In case you didn't realize, in your examples the theft wasn't sex.

The examples not being sex was intentional. If sex work is work, then those are the guidelines that apply. Refusing to pay for the services is theft, not assault - sexual or otherwise. 

[+ JamesB]

First, please stop relying on ChatGPT for legal advice. What happened to Braziliancutee was terrible, but that doesn’t automatically make it a case of sexual assault. In most major Western legal systems and many others, failing to pay after what was otherwise consensual activity is treated as a financial issue, either a civil breach of agreement or in some places, theft of services. It isn’t classified as assault under current law. The proper recourse would be through civil action or applicable financial charges, not criminal assault charges. A well known example of this legal distinction is R v. Linekar (England & Wales, 1995).

[+ PhileasFogg]

I’m laying in bed next to @Braziliancutee right now,  so let’s clarify without the curse of translation issues:

1) he initially feared the guy had possibly stolen something else out of his room (he hadn’t)

2) he felt cheated (he was)

3) he gave consent, he never withdrew consent, but he gave consent under false pretenses that did not make this rape in his view  

i think braziliancutee would prefer not to be the central topic of this post and i think many of us would like to see this VERY relevant question posed by the OP become the center of the thread again?

[Mark_fl]

Legally this is rape by deception. You can try and dress it up all you want by calling it work or anything else. The law is pretty clear.

[Braziliancutee]

Guys please stop to talk about that! That experience was horrible for me. He was my 2nd or 3rd client. And I was very innocent maybe too.

Lets move on or I should delete my post?

[+ KensingtonHomo]

10 minutes ago, Mark_fl said:

Legally this is rape by deception. You can try and dress it up all you want by calling it work or anything else. The law is pretty clear.

Actually, there is no law that includes rape by deception wherein two adults consent to having sex and then one does not pay the other. The examples, which largely have no led to prosecution (which I think is unfortunate given the circumstances), involve the perpetrator disguising themselves as another gender, pretending to be another person, or claiming to have a vasectomy when they didn't. 

Rape by deception - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

[+ PhileasFogg]

Gentlemen, I’m so glad we’ve gone from chat to wiki 😵‍💫. Please refer back to two of the last four posts - move on please.  What matters is what @Braziliancuteethinks about it.  Anything else is like debating the number of angels on the head of a pin.  The object of the debate has asked you to move on - he’s sorry he even mentioned it

Edited December 7 by PhileasFogg

[+ KensingtonHomo]

2 minutes ago, PhileasFogg said:

Gentlemen, I’m so glad we’ve gone from chat to wiki 😵‍💫. Please refer back to two of the last four posts - move on please.  What matters is what @Braziliancuteethinks about it.  Anything else is like debating the number of angels on the head of a pin.  The object of the debate has asked you to move on

I hadn't seen your and Brazillian's posts before I made my most recent one. I agree we should respect B's wishes and move on. 

[MikeBiDude]

Moderator comment: yes let’s move on to the OP’s original topic. Happy Sunday to all!

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

6 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

If your gardner mows your lawn, and you refuse to pay him, have you sexually assaulted him? 

I use sex with my gardener in lieu of payment. 

If he mows my lawn and I refuse to give him a blowjob, then am I the one being sexually assaulted or is he? 

These hypotheticals are ridiculous, because I would:

A. Never refuse to compensate the man who mows my lawn, and

B. Never refuse to blow the man who mows my lawn.

Edited December 7 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

As for Deposits, Nudes, and Sexting: 

I keep my messages brief.  2 to 3 messages, confirming rate, date/time, location, and that bareback is okay. 

I have the money ready and in view when we meet, but always pay at the end.   And NEVER send a deposit for an hour/multi-hour meeting.  I'm okay with ordering a RideShare.

I always send one clothed picture of myself so the provider knows who he is meeting (after we agreed upon a date/time and rate...I don't want the provider to feel he has to give me a "good looking" discount 😉).

In the rare instances a provider initiates some "sexting" as foreplay in advance of our meeting, I respond and may include a nude photo of myself to keep the energy going.  But I always wait for the provider to initiate, which has happened only a few times.

Edited December 7 by Vegas_Millennial

[+ PhileasFogg]

5 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

 

I always send one clothed picture of myself so the provider knows who he is meeting (after we agreed upon a date/time and rate...I don't want the provider to feel he has to give me a "good looking" discount 😉).

In the rare instances a provider initiates some "sexting" as foreplay in advance of our meeting, I respond and may include a nude photo of myself to keep the energy going.  But I always wait for the provider to initiate, which has happened only a few times.

Good ones recognize that a good encounter starts before the actually meetup 

[SweatnMusk]

35 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

As for Deposits, Nudes, and Sexting: 

I keep my messages brief.  2 to 3 messages, confirming rate, date/time, location, and that bareback is okay. 

Random question… when you ask if bareback is ok and they say yes, does that imply that they’re also ok with breeding? Or, do you ask about that separately?

[+ PhileasFogg]

1 hour ago, SweatnMusk said:

Random question… when you ask if bareback is ok and they say yes, does that imply that they’re also ok with breeding? Or, do you ask about that separately?

Always better to be clear.  But I’d put it more like “what are your boundaries or limits?”

Edited December 7 by PhileasFogg

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

17 hours ago, SweatnMusk said:

17 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

As for Deposits, Nudes, and Sexting: 

I keep my messages brief.  2 to 3 messages, confirming rate, date/time, location, and that bareback is okay. 

Random question… when you ask if bareback is ok and they say yes, does that imply that they’re also ok with breeding? Or, do you ask about that separately?

No, I never ask in advance to be bred.  Gotta leave some things up to the professional to decide in the moment.

[+ Jamie21]

1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

No, I never ask in advance to be bred.  Gotta leave some things up to the professional to decide in the moment.

For an escort session I’ll never promise a client he’ll be bred, it’s too much pressure. If I’m bottoming then I don’t have any problem with the client breeding me though. 

On the subject of the nudes and texting, I’m fine to share nudes but one does get picture collectors. A line gets drawn once it becomes evident he has no intention of booking. 
 

[Kuppusami]

Personally,  I will never send a "deposit". Besides the fact that this is illegal in nearly every state,  and creating a paper trail is just begging for problems, it's also the single dumbest thing you can do to be scammed,  or blackmailed.