Not every escort is the same!

[bimuscle]

I have made this statement on here before.  Escorts need to be treated with respect.  They are not just a piece of meat you are buying for your use. I am sure that I will get some very nasty statements on what I am about to say. 

Yes. There are some very bad escorts.  Some are Thieves, liars, morally corrupt. Some come into this business that way. Others become that way. Because of the lifestyle and us. Alcohol and drug use is rampant by them and us..

Been reading the thread about Peachy. Gay baiter, gay or bi, his association with Austin Wolfe. Does he actually have sex with guys? Does it really matter.  I would say that he is a prime example of a product that has been shaped by us. And there are plenty of other examples. 

What i am trying to express to all of us. . That we are reaping the pats we have sowed.

I am as guilty as anyone on here. I have done things. Used my money.  To get what i want.  I cannot judge anyone.

I would just express this! Either every single one of us, changes our ways. Or this downward spiral the escort industry is going through will continue.  Use to be, I could go through the ads and see lots of guys. That i would be interested in. Now I am lucky if I find one or two. 

 

[SkyBliss]

While I think this belongs either below the Peachy Thread in the Deli or in the general Lounge, I appreciate the sentiment.

[+ purplekow]

It may not be the escort quality has changed but rather it is your specifications have narrowed.  When I first found a male escort site, I had had minimal male male contact and none in 30 years.  I found 3 men I was interested in meeting on a site that had 500 men or so.  I decided to experiment and I hired two of the men.  I enjoyed being with both of them very much and in the intervening years I have come to love my time with men.  After my initial perusal of the ads and my first experiences, my tastes broadened.  I found more and more kinds of men of interest and as a result I hired a wider range of men.  After a bit, I became more selective again.  Having discovered there were men of all types that might interest me, but really my main interest was in the men not in the type of men. So I became a client with only a few men I would see and slowly added and subtracted from that list as time, inclination, location and of course money permitted.  

While I am sure I would probably pick those original three men out of a similar escort lineup as I did in 2004, I find now that the men I like are older, more intelligent, more accommodating and less dangerous than the men I first found intoxicating.  I find that locating men with these qualities is a bit more difficult to find than the qualities searched for after my initiation into hiring.  And so, yes for me there is less of a selection, but that is more my doing than it is the quality of the men out there.  It is just that big muscles, a thick dicks, a handsome face and a nearby location will get me to window shop, I am looking for much more than that in the men I hire.  

[+ glutes]

52 minutes ago, bimuscle said:

I have made this statement on here before.  Escorts need to be treated with respect.

It should go both ways bimuscle.

[bimuscle]

That gluten you are correct about thousand times over. That needed to be said. 

I still say. That there is a downward spiral in the industry.  Less good looking  wholesome men.  Younger escorts that are , dare I say, only here to make cash for whatever reason.  Most can't be trusted.  

I am in my sixties.  Still like the young ones. But they are so messed up! 

I will say, that I found a young escort.  Who checked every box for me. Messed around a couple times. Been friends for 3 years.  And I know that he is a friend.  I have gotten him out of this business.  On his way to becoming a successful man. Yeah.  I have helped him financially.  He has proven his friendship to me.  I have faith in him, that cannot be explained.  PLEASE DON'T ASK WHO HE IS! I will do anything in the world for him.  As I know he would for me.

Hence the reason I said. Every escort is not alike.  But it is getting harder to find them. 

[bimuscle]

GLUTES. DAMN AUTO CORRECT.  SORRY ABOUT THAT 

[d.anders]

6 minutes ago, bimuscle said:

there is a downward spiral in the industry

Isn't OnlyFans partly to blame? Why meet face-to-face if the money is so good elsewhere? It's much safer, too. Nobody young and wholesome wants to work hard anymore, or take risks with their health. OF has solved a lot of these problems. I imagine being a good escort takes a lot of work, and you need a special kind of personality, not to mention everything else that's obvious.

[+ ApexNomad]

19 minutes ago, bimuscle said:

That gluten you are correct about thousand times over. That needed to be said. 

I still say. That there is a downward spiral in the industry.  Less good looking  wholesome men.  Younger escorts that are , dare I say, only here to make cash for whatever reason.  Most can't be trusted.  

I am in my sixties.  Still like the young ones. But they are so messed up! 

I will say, that I found a young escort.  Who checked every box for me. Messed around a couple times. Been friends for 3 years.  And I know that he is a friend.  I have gotten him out of this business.  On his way to becoming a successful man. Yeah.  I have helped him financially.  He has proven his friendship to me.  I have faith in him, that cannot be explained.  PLEASE DON'T ASK WHO HE IS! I will do anything in the world for him.  As I know he would for me.

Hence the reason I said. Every escort is not alike.  But it is getting harder to find them. 

I don’t really understand this thread as a whole.

People choose this line of work for all kinds of reasons, and many do it with agency, professionalism, and long-term purpose. And they are successful!! Some retire from it, build wealth, invest wisely, and live full, meaningful lives—just like anyone in any other career.

Success doesn’t have one definition. It’s not about leaving a certain job; it’s about autonomy, fulfillment, and respecting people’s choices.

Not every escort wants or needs saving. Mutual respect and shared experiences should extend in all directions.

[+ glutes]

1 hour ago, ApexNomad said:

People choose this line of work for all kinds of reasons, and many do it with agency, professionalism, and long-term purpose. And they are successful!! Some retire from it, build wealth, invest wisely, and live full, meaningful lives—just like anyone in any other career.

Name 1.

[+ ApexNomad]

25 minutes ago, glutes said:

Name 1.

Name one what?

[+ glutes]

2 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Name one what?

Provider who: retire from it, build wealth, invest wisely, and live full, meaningful lives—just like anyone in any other career.

[+ ApexNomad]

13 minutes ago, glutes said:

Provider who: retire from it, build wealth, invest wisely, and live full, meaningful lives—just like anyone in any other career.

Okay, let’s start with several right here: Benjamin Nicholas, who travels more than most people I know and has seen the world. Simon Saruci, who owns a farm with his partner. Kevin Slater, who could moonlight as a stockbroker—I’ve picked up more than a few solid tips from him.

One provider I know owns his apartment outright in midtown Manhattan. Doorman building. Another owns a home in the DR.

Etc.

These are people living on their own terms, with autonomy, financial security, and purpose.

Edited May 27 by ApexNomad

[bimuscle]

My speculation, is that they are exceptions to the rule. I know there are others. But the vast majority get caught up in a life style. That leads to the downfall of many. We hire them, except them to perform like circus animals.  Never show any respect or empathy.  And the cycle starts again.  Each time, the escort becomes a little more jaded. And the spirl down continues.  The drugs and alcohol further causes the spirl out of control. 

All I am saying, let's try to be decent respect individuals.  I would not be surprised if almost every escort that was named above.  Had someone to be decent to them and help them. 

You want the world to respect the bubble that we live in! It starts with every aspect of this bubble from being seen as sick deviant lifestyle.  

[jeezifonly]

The business model of collabs on camera with other hot guys has altered the flow of new service-oriented talent entering a personal •service• industry. This has likely changed client experience expectations as well. But no one wins when either client or provider is treated with disrespect. Be a human, and be nice to other humans in the hiring space. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

3 hours ago, bimuscle said:

My speculation, is that they are exceptions to the rule. I know there are others. But the vast majority get caught up in a life style. That leads to the downfall of many.

Of the hundreds of men I've hired over the decades, about 9 out of 10 were and are leading exceptional lives.  I won't name them by name here, but you can find them by searching for men I've recommended over the years.  Most are still in business and still doing great for themselves.  I'm often envious.

3 hours ago, bimuscle said:

We hire them, except them to perform like circus animals.  Never show any respect or empathy.  And the cycle starts again.  Each time, the escort becomes a little more jaded. And the spirl down continues.  The drugs and alcohol further causes the spirl out of control. 

This has never been my experience at all.  Sounds like it's time to evaluate the circle of men one hires.  If one repeatedly hires men that he treats with no respect or dignity, and those men spiral into drugs and alcohol, then one may wish to reconsider his own choices and with whom one associates. 

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Not every escort is the same!

Exactly!  It's the perfect title.  I'm sorry the men you choose to hire are often abused and addicted.

 

We're men... We're horny... And some of us use our sexiness to bring in a little (or a lot) of income doing something we already enjoy.  Cheers to all the escorts out there! 🥂 

[+ PhileasFogg]

Preferring younger men - I’m in my 60’s -I admit seeing so many who have such awesome potential if they can just channel these early, high earning years into productive investment and not consumption.  I took the typical “corporate track” where I earned more in my last 5 years than the previous 35 years combined.  BUT, I still saved 1/3 of my income when I was young and show the benefits of that today.

Yes, ALL these young men are worthy of respect.  Yes, SOME of these young men will grab this opportunity and spin it into gold.  
No, not all of these men will break a cycle of poor behavior passed from their circumstance or upbringing.  But those same guys will simply not have a base of repeat customers that made the “base” that some of the guys named earlier built their security and stability on.  

[d.anders]

There are so many taboos associated with the business. The biggest obstacle is the word illegal, and that's not very attractive incentive for a young, good-looking guy. You can't go into a bank and ask for a house loan, or the leasing office of an apartment rental, telling them you're a sex worker. Maybe some can, but it's probably not the norm. Not anywhere close.

I imagine people choose the business for a variety of reasons. It's been around forever, and many have made it work for them, usually quite quietly. Not everyone is up to the challenge of being self-employed. Not everyone loves the "work" aspect of any job. All it takes is a few bad apples, and I could see lots of financial freedom fantasies crash.

The business is an easy magnet for addicts and self-abusers because sex can be easy money, and everyone has a need for intimacy as humans. For sex addicts, it's a kid in a candy store. The negative issues will always exist, and give pause to a new customer looking for a "professional" experience.

The list of known successes will always be small, because that's the nature of doing something illegal for money. Success requires a brain. Smart people usually aren't looking for ways to blow up what has taken them years to achieve. It's a business about discretion, so there's no way treat it like a promotion at Amazon.

Edited May 27 by d.anders

[Thelatin]

13 hours ago, bimuscle said:

I have gotten him out of this business.  On his way to becoming a successful man.

I’ve done this twice.  Failed miserably both times.  Be careful.

[+ glutes]

13 hours ago, ApexNomad said:

Okay, let’s start with several right here: Benjamin Nicholas, who travels more than most people I know and has seen the world. Simon Saruci, who owns a farm with his partner. Kevin Slater, who could moonlight as a stockbroker—I’ve picked up more than a few solid tips from him.

One provider I know owns his apartment outright in midtown Manhattan. Doorman building. Another owns a home in the DR.

Etc.

These are people living on their own terms, with autonomy, financial security, and purpose.

I am so glad for these financially secure and successful providers.

And I believe everything I read on COM.

[+ ApexNomad]

23 minutes ago, glutes said:

I am so glad for these financially secure and successful providers.

And I believe everything I read on COM.

Ah, there it is—the smug sarcasm and dismissiveness that was clearly the endgame all along. You asked for examples, got them, and now you’re pivoting to “I don’t believe anything I read on here” as your escape hatch?

If you’re not here in good faith, why engage at all? What exactly are you contributing—besides tired cynicism and a superiority complex?

It’s easy to mock from the sidelines. Harder to listen, learn, or admit your assumptions were wrong. But thanks for confirming what this was really about.

[bimuscle]

Thelatin: I definitely here what you say.  I guess I pray a lot. I have invested a lot of money in him. School.  Etc. Too damn much, to be honest.  This is where u can question my sanity.  It's well over 6 figures. But he has been given money for school.  I see the grades.  Not to party. I see it as a novel approach.  One more year.  

[+ glutes]