2025 Stock market crash affecting escorts and masseurs?

[+ sync]

3 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

This is why many people shouldn't be doing their own investing.

A smart person saw this correction coming from a mile away. If you don't understand the opportunities that a market correction brings ...you shouldn't be doing your own investing.

Might be a tad too early to label this as a correction.  I hope you are right.

[Kevin Slater]

Moderator's note:  This thread is specifically about the current market's effect on hiring.  Discussion of investing in general belongs in the finance forum.

[+ DrownedBoy]

I can understand retired - and close-to-retirement - clients cutting back on hiring, and I bet that's where most of the effect will be. Their fears may be mislaid, but there's a lot more going on than just the stock market.

Consumer confidence is down - this is a simple economic fact which equals less spending. Across the board. Luxury items do not sell well in such a market.

I'm already starting to see an influx of new guys in my area, but in terms of quality, they don't stand out much. I'd imagine we'll see somewhat of a repeat of pandemic era panic. But I don't see demand getting too high, and I expect to see a lot of creatives/artistics start hiring out when they need the money. But there will be lots of scammers.

I will not discuss investments, but some of us are still working, and still have a ways to go before we can stop working. That fact remains regardless of how much you have saved. That alone is what caused me to cut back. Never tempt fate and laugh at a bear market.

[BaronArtz]

The CRASH is not only making the providers more available, it is making them agreeing to more fetish activities.  I had macho guys like 

https://rentmen.eu/Mrcortiz

and 

https://rentmen.eu/SweetnFitNYC

come over, dress in black Wolford stockings and panties that I provided, sit on all 4s and beg me to fuck them.  Which I enjoyed immensely.  After ripping it all off.

As always, I tipped generously.

 

Edited April 5 by BaronArtz

[+ FrankR]

5 minutes ago, BaronArtz said:

The CRASH is not only making the providers more available, it is making them agreeing to more fetish activities.  I had macho guys like 

https://rentmen.eu/Mrcortiz

and 

https://rentmen.eu/SweetnFitNYC

come over, dress in black Wolford stockings and panties that I provided, sit on all 4s and beg me to fuck them.  Which I enjoyed immensely.  After ripping it all off.

As always, I tipped generously.

 

⬆️ Over-share my man! 😆

[BaronArtz]

2 minutes ago, FrankR said:

⬆️ Over-share my man! 😆

Why not?  I hope it is inspirational.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

20 minutes ago, BaronArtz said:

The CRASH is not only making the providers more available, it is making them agreeing to more fetish activities.  I had macho guys like 

https://rentmen.eu/Mrcortiz

and 

https://rentmen.eu/SweetnFitNYC

come over, dress in black Wolford stockings and panties that I provided, sit on all 4s and beg me to fuck them.  Which I enjoyed immensely.  After ripping it all off.

As always, I tipped generously.

 

Funny. SweetnFitNYC's profile didn't give me "macho" vibes. 

Now, if you wanted someone to come over and put the Wolford's on so you could beg fuck them, I might do it for free. LOL 

[Callas]

10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

You can get a little spoiled in NYC because there is a rather large number of providers to pick from...allowing you to be "picky".

I am also fairly narrow in my tastes...but there's always someone in NYC who would satisfy my list of preferences.

The only category that seems elusive here is a steady supply of Hollywood all American boy types. (fortunately for ME that's not of any major interest to me)

Yes! So i asked ChatGPT lol :))

 

Great question. The “Hollywood All-American boy” type is a cultural archetype that reflects an idealized image of young American masculinity, especially as portrayed in film and television. Here’s what typically defines it:

 

1. Looks

• Clean-cut appearance – short, neat hair; no visible tattoos or piercings.

• Handsome, but approachable – often with a square jawline, bright smile, and symmetrical features.

• Athletic or lean build – suggesting health, vitality, and strength.

• Fair-skinned, often blond/light brown hair – though not always, this has been a common feature in older Hollywood standards.

 

2. Vibe / Personality

• Wholesome and trustworthy – the kind of guy who’d help his neighbor carry groceries.

• Friendly and polite – the boy next door who says “ma’am” and “sir.”

• Optimistic and earnest – someone who believes in doing the right thing.

• Down-to-earth – proud of where he’s from, often from a small town or suburban background.

 

3. Cultural Origins

• Popularized in the 1950s–1980s Hollywood films, especially in teen dramas and coming-of-age stories.

• Think of actors like James Dean (in his more clean-cut moments), Paul Newman, Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise in Top Gun, or even newer versions like Chris Evans (especially as Captain America) or Zac Efron in High School Musical.

 

The archetype isn’t just about looks—it’s also about the feeling of goodness, nostalgia, and a very specific kind of American optimism.

 

Do you want a darker or more modern twist on this trope?

 

 

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[Callas]

10 hours ago, BaronArtz said:

I thought you liked

https://rentmen.eu/SweetnFitNYC

Has he fallen out of your favor?  I wonder how he is doing.

 

 

He has the personality & everything physically, except not taller than me & too much facial & body hair.

6’+ + no facial hair + no body hair + muscular + masculine + kindness —> can’t find one in NYC 🥲

 

[+ PhileasFogg]

On 4/5/2025 at 7:53 AM, mike carey said:

I think the issue, if there is one, is not that the current state of markets and the economy are on their minds, but rather that they may have noticed clients might be hiring less.

Here's my concern for the guys I interact with regularly who are good guys, take the experience very seriously, and support themselves comfortably:

I will intentionally try to avoid politics in this comment and stick to the basic economics as it relates to discretionary spending:

• the market is a leading indicator or economic activity measured by GDP
• consumer spending is about 68% of GDP
• a cycle occurs, when consumers feel less confident, they spend less (their spending is 68% GDP) and this fuels a cycle of reduced GDP
• when consumers spend less, their biggest control is on discretionary spending - and - ahem - for many, these services are necessarily discretionary.

Now let's go to the other side:

• weak economic circumstances may force many to pursue "alternative sources" of income
• supply and demand would mean that, all else equal, more providers with reduced demand means lower prices or reduced schedules.

I see all this as interlinked and providing a potentially bleak short term outlook for our friends on the provider side.

Having said all this, I believe that a well situated professional provider will stand out from the crowd and maintain a full schedule -  albeit, probably with a little less pricing power.

But who knows - maybe I'm wrong and the markets will bounce back this week.

 

Edited April 6 by PhileasFogg

[+ DrownedBoy]

11 hours ago, Callas said:

Yes! So i asked ChatGPT lol :))

 

Great question. The “Hollywood All-American boy” type is a cultural archetype that reflects an idealized image of young American masculinity, especially as portrayed in film and television. Here’s what typically defines it:

 

1. Looks

• Clean-cut appearance – short, neat hair; no visible tattoos or piercings.

• Handsome, but approachable – often with a square jawline, bright smile, and symmetrical features.

• Athletic or lean build – suggesting health, vitality, and strength.

• Fair-skinned, often blond/light brown hair – though not always, this has been a common feature in older Hollywood standards.

 

2. Vibe / Personality

• Wholesome and trustworthy – the kind of guy who’d help his neighbor carry groceries.

• Friendly and polite – the boy next door who says “ma’am” and “sir.”

• Optimistic and earnest – someone who believes in doing the right thing.

• Down-to-earth – proud of where he’s from, often from a small town or suburban background.

 

3. Cultural Origins

• Popularized in the 1950s–1980s Hollywood films, especially in teen dramas and coming-of-age stories.

• Think of actors like James Dean (in his more clean-cut moments), Paul Newman, Rob Lowe, Tom Cruise in Top Gun, or even newer versions like Chris Evans (especially as Captain America) or Zac Efron in High School Musical.

 

The archetype isn’t just about looks—it’s also about the feeling of goodness, nostalgia, and a very specific kind of American optimism.

 

Do you want a darker or more modern twist on this trope?

 

 

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In Japan, they call that the "refreshing" type. They need that spice of earnest helpfulness with some naivety.

I'd pay extra for a provider who could pull that act off. It's near-impossible when both sides are experienced with hiring.

[pubic_assistance]

Basic principles:

Increasing domestic production will cause inflation because you can't take advantage of international child labor and slave-wage labor.

Increasing domestic production increases jobs IN factories and jobs restoring factories.

Increasing domestic production prevents shortages as we experienced during Covid when the ports were backed up for months.

Increasing domestic production puts more money in the pocket of Labor class Americans and less money in the pocket of the executive class.

SO: by increasing domestic production you cause inflation, which initially slows the economy, reduces executive pay, but reduces unemployment. Eventually you need to remove tariffs, to end retaliatory tariffs because to expand your market, you need to ship internationally.

Right now we buy too much and sell too little. So a re-set of the system is not unreasonable. Particularly in the pharmaceutical industry which was at crisis level during covid when shortages were seriously dangerous due to reliance on China for nearly all our production in medicine. THAT is a policy that makes huge profit for executives but puts us all at risk during the next international health crisis.

Edited April 6 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[jackcali]

On 4/5/2025 at 9:47 AM, pubic_assistance said:

A smart person saw this correction coming from a mile away. If you don't understand the opportunities that a market correction brings ...you shouldn't be doing your own investing.

Thanks, PA, for all the economic analysis on this thread, but I'm reminded of the economists' joke that the stock market has correctly predicted eleven of the last five recessions.  

[pubic_assistance]

40 minutes ago, jackcali said:

Thanks, PA, for all the economic analysis on this thread, but I'm reminded of the economists' joke that the stock market has correctly predicted eleven of the last five recessions.  

People don't seem to understand the difference between short term financial challenges and long term financial strategies.

We are definitely going to suffer short term effects of seismic shifts. The word "short' being very relative. It will likely last years, not months.

Edited April 6 by pubic_assistance
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[KeepItReal]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

Basic principles:

Increasing domestic production will cause inflation because you can't take advantage of international child labor and slave-wage labor.

Increasing domestic production increases jobs IN factories and jobs restoring factories.

Increasing domestic production prevents shortages as we experienced during Covid when the ports were backed up for months.

Increasing domestic production puts more money in the pocket of Labor class Americans and less money in the pocket of the executive class.

SO: by increasing domestic production you cause inflation, which initially slows the economy, reduces executive pay, but reduces unemployment. Eventually you need to remove tariffs, to end retaliatory tariffs because to expand your market, you need to ship internationally.

Right now we buy too much and sell too little. So a re-set of the system is not unreasonable. Particularly in the pharmaceutical industry which was at crisis level during covid when shortages were seriously dangerous due to reliance on China for nearly all our production in medicine. THAT is a policy that makes huge profit for executives but puts us all at risk during the next international health crisis.

My dear friend...you need to take economics 101 again. (Or ask for a refund if your comments are based on recent learning). Increased production does not cause inflation...it is primarily caused by increased consumption. It is called Demand-Pull inflation. 🤓

[pubic_assistance]

27 minutes ago, KeepItReal said:

My dear friend...you need to take economics 101 again. (Or ask for a refund if your comments are based on recent learning). Increased production does not cause inflation...it is primarily caused by increased consumption. It is called Demand-Pull inflation. 🤓

Perhaps you should first brush up on your reading comprehension. I didn't SAY "increased production".

I said increased DOMESTIC production.

...And I even made a point to explain how foreign production uses cheap labor to reduce cost.

Sometimes it's good to understand what you read before you comment about something I didn't write.

[KeepItReal]

18 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Perhaps you should first brush up on your reading comprehension. I didn't SAY "increased production".

I said increased DOMESTIC production.

...And I even made a point to explain how foreign production uses cheap labor to reduce cost.

Sometimes it's good to understand what you read before you comment about something I didn't write.

If you want to believe production causes inflation because it is domestic... Go for it. 🙈

[MscleLovr]

57 minutes ago, KeepItReal said:

Increased production does not cause inflation...it is primarily caused by increased consumption. It is called Demand-Pull inflation. 

Not to squabble but you’re neglecting to mention ‘cost-push inflation’ which we haven’t seen for some time. 
 

Like many others here (I assume), my equity holdings have fallen in value. I will add to them from cash very gradually as I suspect this volatility will persist.

Meantime, my inflation-proofed investments have gone up in value…and I think they will go higher as I expect inflation will be more of a problem than many believe.

[MscleLovr]

To get back to the OP’s question…

I feel there may well be a drop in demand for all personal services. But older men are more likely to be well-established financially and therefore prove to be reliable clients. 
 

Older men may, like me, be of a certain age and more concerned to spend more of their income while they still can. Enjoying life and all its myriad pleasures is my main goal. 

[KeepItReal]

2 minutes ago, MscleLovr said:

Not to squabble but you’re neglecting to mention ‘cost-push inflation’ which we haven’t seen for some time. 

Yes, I did. With purpose - didn't want to turn the thread into an economics lecture.  

I just checked my "special" number that I use for my hobby and there were 3 messages waiting for me. That is more than double the usual. Will keep track and see if more come in from companions as the stock market turmoil continues. 

 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, MscleLovr said:

I feel there may well be a drop in demand for all personal services. But older men are more likely to be well-established financially and therefore prove to be reliable clients. 

Regular Joe's will be battling inflation for some time (as they've been doing since 2020).

Smart investors will use the seismic shifts to their advantage and come out flush with cash.

So the $1000 Brazilians will continue to be invited for champagne and anal sex on yachts while the $300 easy trade boys will be forced to suck cock at the roadside-rest for $100 and a cigarette.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, MscleLovr said:

Not to squabble but you’re neglecting to mention ‘cost-push inflation’ which we haven’t seen for some time. 

Thank you @MscleLovr...for adding the terminology for what I am trying to explain.

[BaronArtz]

Here are some sobering facts

-  The two-day drop of more than 10 percent in the S&P 500 at the end of last week was the fifth-worst since World War II.

-  Last week, the S&P 500 had its ninth-worst week since World War II.

(source: New York Times)

And the predictions for today, Monday April 7 are not great.  Stock markets in Asia are collapsing.

I had one of my regulars, entirely unsolicited, propose a session and another trio session with his partner for this week.  Very anecdotal evidence, but I don't think the guys are busy.

I work in luxury sales in NYC.  Our flagship store, normally bustling with activity and sales over the weekend, was DEAD.  This is again very anecdotal, but from my perspective customers are clearly pulling back from spending on luxury.  

Edited April 7 by BaronArtz

[mike carey]

I think there are two things constraining demand at the moment, in the whole economy in the US and elsewhere not just in this specialised business. One is the sudden loss of wealth, which will last until there are signs of recovery. The other is the uncertainty effect that is more transitory, people don't want to do anything when they have no idea what's going on. That should ease when things settle down, for better or worse.

[Cooper]

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