What's the standard price in New York for two hours right now?

[+ DrownedBoy]

I have to add - if you're in a decent market, you shouldn't even have to think about negotiating.

According to RM, there are 210 guys within a 50 mile radius who kiss, 63 of whom are currently available.

It's not worth the time in that case.

[DWnyc]

On 4/23/2024 at 12:55 PM, Medin said:

Agreed....and I do consider that a luxury.   Not too many other services we purchase that cost $300+/hour.  

The economics is fascinating for those that can make it work (that doesn’t mean lucrative - it’s just one of the few examples of very free market economics in labor and price clearance)

Most female providers see very little of the sums charged

Most regular service providing models (eg law, audit) see fees go to owners of the business who (unless sole or limited proprietors) aren’t actually on the frontlines dealing with clients who expect service based on the value of the fees to them 

When people say “I know my value”, with no disrespect to anyone intended,  I roll my eyes a little - unless I’m sure they know what all the aspects of that word they have fully thought through. And I bite my tongue when I want to reply with something like: I know the value of what I’m prepared to hand over to anyone for anything as well, as I know what it took for me to earn it 

 

[socurious]

On 3/27/2024 at 8:10 AM, Pensant said:

Even in second-tier cities, we’re seeing $300, which is fair. I don’t mind $400 for a real hottie.

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

To me first-tier citied would be:

New York 

San Francisco 

D. C. 

Los Angeles 

Miami

Chicago

Boston 

San Diego 

Edited April 24 by socurious

[+ DrownedBoy]

19 minutes ago, socurious said:

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

To me first-tier citied would be:

New York 

San Francisco 

D. C. 

Los Angeles 

Miami

Chicago

Boston 

San Diego 

If you're only measuring by escort donations, I guess Chicago is a "second-tier" city. Which is fine because we're always been the "Second City"....

[DWnyc]

11 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

If you're only measuring by escort donations, I guess Chicago is a "second-tier" city. Which is fine because we're always been the "Second City"....

Among those that consider it a city … 😉

[DWnyc]

On 4/23/2024 at 6:33 PM, DrownedBoy said:

I have to add - if you're in a decent market, you shouldn't even have to think about negotiating.

According to RM, there are 210 guys within a 50 mile radius who kiss, 63 of whom are currently available.

It's not worth the time in that case.

Exactly

my reaction when someone I’ve politely told it’s not going to work comes back with a revised proposal isn’t “you’re not professional, you don’t know your real value, you’re undermining the market” - it’s “you’re being realistic and trying to close a deal, good for you for trying“ (and also “let’s drop the martyrdom act”)

 

[BuffaloKyle]

2 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

If you're only measuring by escort donations, I guess Chicago is a "second-tier" city. Which is fine because we're always been the "Second City"....

I would think it's a first tier city. By population it's the 3rd largest in the USA:

List of United States cities by population - Wikipedia

EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG

 

[Luv2play]

3 hours ago, socurious said:

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

To me first-tier citied would be:

New York 

San Francisco 

D. C. 

Los Angeles 

Miami

Chicago

Boston 

San Diego 

My impression as an outsider is that there are 5 top tier cities in the US for male providers. NY, LA, SF, DC and Houston. These translate into, finance, entertainment, hi tech, big government and oil resp. Encompassing the areas at the top of the food chain in the USA.
That’s my own assessment which I came up with just through observation. 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Chicagoan here:  Chicago is and always has been in the top 5 (in my lifetime, at least).

It's not considered a second-tier city, even though it's been called 'The Second City' (to NYC).

 

[rvwnsd]

53 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Chicagoan here:  Chicago is and always has been in the top 5 (in my lifetime, at least).

It's not considered a second-tier city, even though it's been called 'The Second City' (to NYC).

 

This. 

There are a few "global cities" indices, including the one maintained by The Globalization and World Rankings Research Institute.  New York is rated an "Alpha++" city, while Chicago and LA are rated "Alpha" cities. San Francisco is rated an "Alpha -" city and both DC and Houston are rated "Beta +."  When you look at the number of Fortune 500 companies headquartered in a metro area, New York ranks #1 (65), followed by Chicago (33), Dallas (22), Houston (21), and Minneapolis and San Francisco (18 each). Interestingly, when one looks at the revenue of the largest Fortune 500 in each metro, Dallas comes in at #1 (ExxonMobil), Minneapolis #2 (UnitedHealth Group), San Francisco #3 (McKesson), New York #4 (Verizon), Chicago #5 (WalgreensBootsAlliance), and Houston #6 (Phillips 66).  ExxonMobil and UHG dwarf the rest by a large margin. 

Back to escorting rates, I don't see how an escort could charge $300/hour and survive on escorting alone in NYC. Perhaps as a sideline, but not as a primary source of income. And if a guy can charge less because he is escorting as a sideline, does he want to be the "cut-rate" escort? I think not. I wonder how massage therapists make it without pushing their hands and arms to the absolute limits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 hours ago, socurious said:

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

To me first-tier citied would be:

New York 

San Francisco 

D. C. 

Los Angeles 

Miami

Chicago

Boston 

San Diego 

Here's a recent thread discussing rates in San Diego, which you consider in the same "tier" as New York.  In summary, most responded that typical rates fall between $250-$350 per hour in San Diego; but, don't expect as high $300 for not kissing, rimming, oral, bottoming, etc.

 

[ShortCutie7]

9 hours ago, DWnyc said:

The economics is fascinating for those that can make it work (that doesn’t mean lucrative - it’s just one of the few examples of very free market economics in labor and price clearance)

Most female providers see very little of the sums charged

Most regular service providing models (eg law, audit) see fees go to owners of the business who (unless sole or limited proprietors) aren’t actually on the frontlines dealing with clients who expect service based on the value of the fees to them 

When people say “I know my value”, with no disrespect to anyone intended,  I roll my eyes a little - unless I’m sure they know what all the aspects of that word they have fully thought through. And I bite my tongue when I want to reply with something like: I know the value of what I’m prepared to hand over to anyone for anything as well, as I know what it took for me to earn it 

 

Exactly!  I have posted before and gotten flack for it, but it is a fact that it takes me TWENTY hours of work to take home pay (after taxes and 401k etc) for ONE hour of a provider.  Yes, it is worth it, and the jobs are not comparable, but that is a HUGE difference. 

44 minutes ago, rvwnsd said:

 

Back to escorting rates, I don't see how an escort could charge $300/hour and survive on escorting alone in NYC. Perhaps as a sideline, but not as a primary source of income. And if a guy can charge less because he is escorting as a sideline, does he want to be the "cut-rate" escort? I think not. I wonder how massage therapists make it without pushing their hands and arms to the absolute limits.

I think a lot of you are greatly overestimating the income of the average New Yorker.  According to the census (https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/newyorkcitynewyork/HSG010222), median per capita income in 2022 in NYC was 48K.  An escort charging $300 per hour would only have to work just over 3 hours per week to make that.  Again, I’m not saying $300 or even $400 is too much; just putting it into perspective with what most people make.

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, rvwnsd said:

I don't see how an escort could charge $300/hour and survive on escorting alone in NYC.

Particularly if the have a long list of “here’s what I won’t do”

but that amount pre tax is around $500 an hour … 4 hours a week = $2000 … so start doing the math and it doesn’t take long to be better off Than most New Yorkers 

 

[socurious]

4 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Here's a recent thread discussing rates in San Diego, which you consider in the same "tier" as New York.  In summary, most responded that typical rates fall between $250-$350 per hour in San Diego; but, don't expect as high $300 for not kissing, rimming, oral, bottoming, etc.

 

I think New York is in the upper first-tier range while Chicago in the lower. In my definition it's not really about how big a city is but more about how expensive and competitive. Houston and Phoenix (for example) are bigger than both Boston and San Francisco and to me they are 2nd-tier cities ranking lower than those two. 

 

Edited April 25 by socurious

[socurious]

8 hours ago, Luv2play said:

My impression as an outsider is that there are 5 top tier cities in the US for male providers. NY, LA, SF, DC and Houston. These translate into, finance, entertainment, hi tech, big government and oil resp. Encompassing the areas at the top of the food chain in the USA.
That’s my own assessment which I came up with just through observation. 

Don't forget about Miami. After New York, it is likely the most competitive city for escorts in the USA. Then I guess it's L. A.? I'm surprised Las Vegas isn't listed. Or is Vegas not really good for escorting? Someone on another thread said it was risky for the business. 

Edited April 25 by socurious

[+ nycman]

13 hours ago, socurious said:

Or is Vegas not really good for escorting?

I’ve said it before, I love Vegas but has nothing to do with the local escort scene. 

It’s the one city where I suggest people higher travelers. I’ve had a few good experiences with locals, but mostly not. Even the dreaded traveling escort is usually better in this town

Edited April 26 by nycman

[+ Pensant]

On 4/25/2024 at 12:33 AM, socurious said:

Can give example of what you consider "second-tier" cities?

I believe your question has been answered!

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 3/26/2024 at 8:20 PM, socurious said:

I don't think 300 or 350 should be the standard price here in NYC anymore. That's not a decent amount of money for someone who is in the business here. Hiring escorts should be a luxury in my honest opinion. 

I've done some market research for my trip to NYC later this week.  I reached out to 15 men on my RentMen "Buddy List" that live in New York City, all of them recommendations from experiences shared on Company of Men.

Here is how they responded:

$250/hr - 1 response

$300/hr  - 5 responses

$350/hr - 4 responses

$400/hr - 3 responses

$500/hr - 1 response

All rates are for outcalls and for bareback.

Because I will only be in NYC for 2 weeks and still want to have fun outside my hotel room at shows, museums, bars, sex clubs, etc., I'm only going to hire 2-4 men.  Because all of the men on my "Buddy List" are sexy and recommended, the tie breaker for me will be the price, so I will be hiring the $250/$300/$350 per hour escorts.

Plus I will see a massuer I saw on my last visit who fucked me and charges $260 for 90 minutes and gives a great massage.

Edited Wednesday at 04:14 PM by Vegas_Millennial
Updated as providers give me their rates.

[socurious]

6 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

I've done some market research for my trip to NYC later this week.  I have 36 escorts on my RentMen "Buddy List" that live in New York City, all of them recommendations from experiences shared on Company of Men.    I've reached out to 13 of them for prices.

Here is how they responded:

$250/hr - 1 response

$300/hr  - 5 responses

$350/hr - 3 responses

$400/hr - 3 responses

$500/hr - 1 response

Because I will only be in NYC for 2 weeks and still want to have fun outside my hotel room at shows, museums, bars, sex clubs, etc., I'm only going to hire 2-4 men.  Because all of the men on my "Buddy List" are sexy and recommended, the tie breaker for me will be the price, so I will be hiring the $250/$300 per hour escorts.

Plus I will see a massuer I saw on my last visit who fucked me and charges $260 for 90 minutes and gives a great massage.

For outcalls?

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

23 minutes ago, socurious said:

For outcalls?

Yes.  Most of these providers say "Outcall only", and I will be staying in Chelsea.

[socurious]

5 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Yes.  Most of these providers say "Outcall only", and I will be staying in Chelsea.

This is where I live.

[Muscleking]

For the regular hot guy I’ve been quoted anything from 300-500 in NYC, 300 being the average hot guy and upwards of 500 for the hotter ripped guy with big assets.

The most I paid for a guy was 1k he was one of those popular social media guys extremely hot, but he’s now off the market as he now has a very rich Sugar daddy bf 😂

[SouthOfTheBorder]

New York is an expensive city by any measure.  But, expensive doesn’t equal value or good quality.  It’s also insanely overpriced for certain things targeted for tourists.  nobody living in NY since before 2019 is paying $500 hour because they either know providers from before & have a rate, or they know when/how to look.

the best strategy is daytime weekday hires when demand is lower & guys prefer working.  and don’t fall for paying for Ubers - if the guy hasn’t figured out public transportation, then there’s a lot of other things they haven’t figured out either

lots of these high rates are quoted by guys that don’t live here & passing through, thinking it’s unlimited money. when those same guys are in Europe, they’re quoting half of the rate, if that.  and most clients in Europe aren’t tipping either 

hint - don’t ever try to do things when everyone else wants to do that same thing bc then you will pay.  so, don’t come for ny Pride & think you’ll get reasonable rates for providers.  
and if the price quoted is too high, just say no thank you & move on - someone else will be reasonable at a non-peak time.  
$300/350 is really the most I’d pay for an hour in ny & that would be someone established & reviewed, not an unknown. for 2 hours, I’d expect less per hr

Edited Wednesday at 02:59 AM by SouthOfTheBorder

[Muscleking]

31 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

New York is an expensive city by any measure.  But, expensive doesn’t equal value or good quality.  It’s also insanely overpriced for certain things targeted for tourists.  nobody living in NY since before 2019 is paying $500 hour because they either know providers from before & have a rate, or they know when/how to look.

the best strategy is daytime weekday hires when demand is lower & guys prefer working.  and don’t fall for paying for Ubers - if the guy hasn’t figured out public transportation, then there’s a lot of other things they haven’t figured out either

lots of these high rates are quoted by guys that don’t live here & passing through, thinking it’s unlimited money. when those same guys are in Europe, they’re quoting half of the rate, if that.  and most clients in Europe aren’t tipping either 

hint - don’t ever try to do things when everyone else wants to do that same thing bc then you will pay.  so, don’t come for ny Pride & think you’ll get reasonable rates for providers.  
and if the price quoted is too high, just say no thank you & move on - someone else will be reasonable at a non-peak time.  
$300/350 is really the most I’d pay for an hour in ny & that would be someone established & reviewed, not an unknown. for 2 hours, I’d expect less per hr

What you’re  willing to pay is at the end of the day up to you, however just because you would not pay more than 350 doesn’t mean all escorts should fit within your budget.. most of the higher prices guys are not interested in having sex with several clients a day and are only interested in having a few elite clients that are willing to pay for them knowing that they aren’t readily available to all. 
 

But of course if you’re paying a premium you should be getting premium service from a premium guy.

escorts or masseurs prices aren’t a one size fits all IMO. 

 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

15 minutes ago, Muscleking said:

only interested in having a few elite clients that are willing to pay for them knowing that they aren’t readily available to all. 

if we’re talking about hourly rates in NYC, this is the fallacy - the elite don’t pay top rate for anything.  those prices are for American tourists visiting NY. Europeans certainly won’t pay those rates either.  
price has no guarantee of quality in provider context & certainly doesn’t signal an “elite” experience. and yes, providers can charge whatever they want and clients can overpay too.  it’s just not necessary.  it’s all smoke & mirrors