Thoughts on deposits

[Jamie21]

If anyone wants me to read any more posts in this damn sequence of replies about deposits (they have their uses), the colour (correct spelling 😉) of cars and whether providers are competitive (we’re not) then I’m going to require a deposit. A large one. 

[Guest]

Welcome, @Jay_lucas! As a client I pay deposits for travel, typically only the cost of the flight because I prefer hosting. Otherwise, I’m never asked and I don’t pay them. I endeavor to be respectful of a provider and his time, but admit I’ve cancelled a few times. In those instances, I’ve been able to give several day’s notice, which hopefully mitigated the inconvenience. 

[Trick]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

You can’t learn if you stay stuck on what you want and think is fair for YOU.

That’s ignorant if you can’t be willing to accept why some do it. 
 

Let’s see who needs this more, Jarrod or Trick

Jarrod:  Has been insisting on requiring deposits for sessions for years, but still always complains about flakes and time wasters.  Deposits haven’t solved his problem with flakes.  Always unhappy with his escorting experience.

 

Trick:  Has NEVER sent a deposit for years; has met the likes of Tristan Baldwin, Mike Gaite, Cade Maddox, and lots of other well-reviewed providers who don’t require deposits. Very happy with his hiring experience.

 

Who needs it more?

[Jay_lucas]

41 minutes ago, Trick said:

Let’s see who needs this more, Jarrod or Trick

Jarrod:  Has been insisting on requiring deposits for sessions for years, but still always complains about flakes and time wasters.  Deposits haven’t solved his problem with flakes.  Always unhappy with his escorting experience.

 

Trick:  Has NEVER sent a deposit for years; has met the likes of Tristan Baldwin, Mike Gaite, Cade Maddox, and lots of other well-reviewed providers who don’t require deposits. Very happy with his hiring experience.

 

Who needs it more?

Hey, can you please just keep it civil I appreciate everyone’s feedback, but please don’t fight on this. Thank you 🙏 ❤️http://Rentmen.com/JAY_LUCAS

[pubic_assistance]

13 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I have met a few on the forum who don’t mind arranging deposits.

The (very) few who responded in favor of deposits were primarily referring to long distance meets, not the average, everyday hang n' bang.

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[Jarrod_Uncut]

5 hours ago, Trick said:

Let’s see who needs this more, Jarrod or Trick

Jarrod:  Has been insisting on requiring deposits for sessions for years, but still always complains about flakes and time wasters.  Deposits haven’t solved his problem with flakes.  Always unhappy with his escorting experience.

 

Trick:  Has NEVER sent a deposit for years; has met the likes of Tristan Baldwin, Mike Gaite, Cade Maddox, and lots of other well-reviewed providers who don’t require deposits. Very happy with his hiring experience.

 

Who needs it more?

And, good for you. What does name dropping have to do with the discussion? If you have to resort to “who you hired” as some sort of leverage to prove a point, then that goes to show once again your character. News flash: the guys you paid to sleep with you doesn’t make you a better person. Just like me sleeping with a millionaire/billionaire wouldn’t make me a better person than the guys on Grindr doing the same for free. If you think it does, you’re deluded. That just means you can use your money and preference to get what you want, which is not rocket science. Nice try though.

That said, you assume that deposits haven’t changed anything how? Because last time I checked: I have not been stood up by a client who’s sent a deposit at all this year. When I talk about flakes and time wasters, those are the ones who haven’t even gotten to first base: The ones on RentMen messenger who don’t text and the ones who text and don’t get to the 2nd step. Or they have a million excuses. Deposits have helped because if I don’t receive one, I don’t lift a finger. All the, “maybe I’ll see if I can possibly get away sometime” guys never get the chance to mess up my day because I don’t book hotels or even start my car for them without a deposit.

That’s a difference between someone booking a 3 hour appointment and not showing up, and waiting on them. Get your facts straight…
 

Clients who send deposits don’t do that. Now, if you wish to not do it…that’s your prerogative. But stop trying to encourage and leverage others to do it, based on who you seen. That’s very sleazy and low integrity ✋🏾 

 

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[Trick]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

Because last time I checked: I have not been stood up by a client who’s sent a deposit at all this year.

 

When I talk about flakes and time wasters, those are the ones who haven’t even gotten to first base:

 

If you’re getting clients, then what are you complaining about all the time?

You’re like a store owner who’s got customers in his store but keeps complaining and ranting about the passers by.

[Trick]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

And, good for you. What does name dropping have to do with the discussion? If you have to resort to “who you hired” as some sort of leverage to prove a point, then that goes to show once again your character.

 

I didn’t drop names to brag. I did so to prove that there are a lot of successful providers who never ask for a deposit.

BTW, many of these providers are members here but I never see them complain about the business.

To my fellow clients:  Don’t feel bad about saying NO to providers who ask for deposits.  There are many other providers who don’t.

[Guest]

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Okay, story 📖 time. I’ve said what I needed to say, time to hear it from other people on websites elsewhere:

 

and

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[Trick]

8 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Okay, story 📖 time. I’ve said what I needed to say, time to hear it from other people on websites elsewhere:

“… compensation for the time we set aside to see the client, getting ready, touching base with them…”

That’s part of the fee or donation or roses or whatever it’s called. I’ll pay it when I see the provider, not before.

[Jay_lucas]

Someone please help me how to close this topic , please. I don’t want anyone to fight if you don’t agree with a deposit because of a lot of cancellations that’s fine do you have your opinion and everyone else has their opinion I don’t want anyone fighting on here 

[Trick]

1 minute ago, Jay_lucas said:

Someone please help me how to close this topic , please. I don’t want anyone to fight if you don’t agree with a deposit because of a lot of cancellations that’s fine do you have your opinion and everyone else has their opinion I don’t want anyone fighting on here 

 
There’s no fighting here, just expressing opinions. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

50 minutes ago, Trick said:

but I never see them complain about the business.

And you believe that? Just because you don’t see/hear something doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

Please tell me you are somewhat  cognitive to that? There could be plenty reasons why someone doesn’t discuss it here, whatever it is…is their personal business. I can understand why most people wouldn’t because…who wants to get involved in a 3 page debate with someone who just has the same rebuttle each time, with no consideration for the other side? 
 

Comparison is the thief of joy. It doesn’t surprise me considering your viewpoint. How about I compare you to the many many clients who are thoughtful and considerate enough to provide deposits? Now, back to story time:

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[Jay_lucas]

1 minute ago, Trick said:

 
There’s no fighting here, just expressing opinions. 

What  I’m seeing is everyone going back-and-forth in insulting one another and I don’t want that. As I said please keep it civil . 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 minutes ago, Jay_lucas said:

Someone please help me how to close this topic , please. I don’t want anyone to fight if you don’t agree with a deposit because of a lot of cancellations that’s fine do you have your opinion and everyone else has their opinion I don’t want anyone fighting on here 

 
By all means, if you choose to…just know your decision to post this was well appreciated. Understanding both the escort and client sides and mending the divide between paying and not paying deposits, is something that is going to be a factor in the future of advertising and something I hope can be more widely accepted. 

[Trick]

Just now, Jay_lucas said:

What  I’m seeing is everyone going back-and-forth in insulting one another and I don’t want that. As I said please keep it civil . 

Okay, for your sake, I’ll let this go,

[Jay_lucas]

8 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 
By all means, if you choose to…just know your decision to post this was well appreciated. Understanding both the escort and client sides and mending the divide between paying and not paying deposits, is something that is going to be a factor in the future of advertising and something I hope can be more widely accepted. 

I do agree with some things you said in is. It will be interesting to watch how rentmen is in a few years. I strongly do believe they need a feature that pays the provider if Clients cancel or flake . 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, Jay_lucas said:

I do agree with some things you said in is. It will be interesting to watch how rentmen is in a few years. I strongly do believe they need a feature that pays the provider if Clients cancel or flake . 

Right, same here…and until that happens it’s prob not  best to schedule appointments solely on messenger, if anyone is.
 

And just another overall reminder to everyone: don’t compare why some chose to do deposits and others don’t. We don’t all see clients in the same areas, or have the same volume, live near high numbers of wealthy populations, or live in proximities to gay meccas/resort destinations like Palm Springs. That is all variables, but ultimately up to the escort to decipher, what their best policy should be.

If I sat around and ran things based on about what other escorts are doing or not doing: I would be doing like I used to back in 2009: Traveling to the biggest cities like the popular guys, spending 3 days on hotels upfront before having any real commitment from clients, and just wasting my time and money. There’s towns I go to that many escorts don’t even know about, and I’ve made it happen with or without deposits. 

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[south_king]

God, some people here are so rude and unwelcoming… And they complain about multiple topics on the same subject but keep commenting... 🤷🏽‍♂️

Anyway… I understand why some providers might want to charge a deposit and it makes sense, but honestly I’ve never seen someone legit asking me for a deposit. The only ones who did were scammers. I guess I would be fine if there were some conditions. Like if I cancel more than 24h in advance I get the deposit back, or I can use it as credit for another day.

[+ azdr0710]

by the way, welcome to the forum @Jay_lucas  

it's not always this way!.......sometimes we talk about air fryers, thread count on bed sheets, and mutual funds........

I hope you'll stick around....... 

[Zimby]

On 3/13/2024 at 11:26 AM, Jay_lucas said:

Hey everybody, my name is Jay. You can find my profile at rentmen.com/jay_lucas 

I just wanted to come on here and say, I found out out this site and thought I would introduce myself, but also talk about a topic. A lot of my regular clients. I don’t require a deposit because we have an understanding of when we’re going to meet. But a lot of New Clients lately I haven’t asked for a deposit upon meeting and  a lot of clients that I don’t ask for a deposit, they end up flaking on me. I’m in Columbus Ohio right now and I had a client scheduled at 12  pm for 3 hours and didn’t show up then blocked me after agreeing to meet with me for weeks. That’s not only is going to affect me financially it’s gonna affect my day. I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on deposits and do you think it’s fair for providers to get one 

 

also, I would recommend people to avoid the guy who flaked on me : rentmen.com/Hornyfortop

 

 

Thank you guys please give me a warm welcome

I think if I was a provider, I would not agree to more than an hr or 2 max session for a 1st timer unless you received this client as a referral from another client or provider.  It doesnt do much for financial impact. but it does make you more available for other options. 

[MCR]

On 3/13/2024 at 2:07 PM, Jay_lucas said:

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I don't suppose that people flaking might be that your pics look like you're older than 30?

 

Personally, I don't like deposits. Have had people not show up after giving one. 

[MCR]

On 3/13/2024 at 7:24 PM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Set expectations accordingly, what does that mean? Also $100-$200 for a deposit is not necessarily the norm. I vary my deposits up but $50-$100 is where I’m at now. 
 

As for scams: I know this moreso pertains to women escorts but the spirit of the message is the same

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I think in general: it’s the seeking of M4M sex period that makes it more flaky. And bi/straight guys looking for M4M sex are just as flaky if not more, than gay guys for obvious reasons.

 

Fact of the matter is: men in generally are flaky, I read a female escort forum and the guys they talk about are the same. Some of it is just biological: men have an urge to cruise more, but can’t always put honesty+horny+money = SCORE for escorts, together. And trying to get all 3 of those things from a man looking for a man?? Lord you have to be clever. How many times have I heard: “I don’t pay for dick” (heard that the other day, and he came over and…well so much for that 🪟 (sometimes RM is slow and doesn’t have clients so I will occasionally use apps if I have time to kill…some clients also use it for their personal use so it’s no secret). 
 

Welcome welcome welcome. You get all the warm 🔥 welcomes for being courageous and willing to LEARN. However, take the advice you hear as opinions from their perspective, not necessarily the business’s perspective and reality.

That said: there’s 2 things I’ll say, but I’ve been fighting this topic enough but, it never gets old for me. #1: my experience in Ohio goes way back. They are one of the more flakiest states to do escort work. Idk why but, I used to go there without deposits and got SCAMMED out of appointments. However in the past couple years, I’ve made sure not to meet anyone without deposits there. Even if it only got me one or 2 clients at most. I rather that, than 1 flake to ruin my day or worse, miss out on potential client elsewhere.
 

In fact: I-70 from Denver to Pittsburg I consider “Flake Central”. Didn’t used to always be that way in Denver but, every other city including Kansas City, St. Louis, Indy, Columbus: You will get burned more times than you can imagine, if you don’t ask for deposits or at least ensure the client is a regular who is reliable.

I don’t know why it’s like that, but considering it runs thru the middle of the country: it’s not the most “progressive minded” I suppose. And don’t anyone on the forum get offended if you live in those areas. I’m not saying anyone in particular, I’m just talking a GENERAL population that exists on the escort sites. It’s not a personal assault however, after living in both Kansas City and St. Louis and seeing the games dudes play even when they aren’t paying: I’d say it is a correlation.

If you are going to do deposits, make sure to bring it up first thing so you don’t waste your time. You may also wish to only do it for certain situations: like if you have to host in a hotel or travel some distance. However, in my experience of going back and forth and only doing it in certain situations: I’m 100% deposit now because you really have no way of truly knowing if they are going to show.

It hasn’t messed up business any more than not taking them have. When I didn’t use to do it, I used to spend so much time waiting around for people.

I want my work to pay me upfront before I do the work.  It's a Shame there's no return policy on providers who think all they have to do is show up.

[SirBillybob]

3 hours ago, Jay_lucas said:

What  I’m seeing is everyone going back-and-forth in insulting one another and I don’t want that. As I said please keep it civil . 

Actually, as the original poster I think that you can delete the entire thread going to the upper right hand corner (3 dots) at your topic beginning. Everybody’s deposits will woosh into the ether. Just a piece of info, not a suggestion. I could be wrong as maybe there is a temporal statute of limitation. 

Some members live for the ‘groundhog day’ of repetitive topics, grouse about it, create or regenerate disagreement, etc. Perhaps even consolidate position by revisiting it. 

Nobody, fresh or alumni status, is forced to attend class and be marked on participation every new semester of a commonly introduced seminar topic arising from our overall punting prospectus. 

As far as I can recall I don’t think I have weighed in on it. Although I hold a position, what is its relevance? What use is a list of yes no maybe it depends, particularly when peppered with insulting challenges lobbed at the topic initiator? 

Edited March 15 by SirBillybob