Thoughts on deposits

[Jay_lucas]

55 minutes ago, Trick said:

I will never put down a deposit for a session.  There are a lot of good, well-reviewed providers who don’t require them.  I’ll stick to hiring them.

I never said I was looking for a deposit. I was just asking for advice. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Welcome and you've now heard from our single member who is pro deposit @Jarrod_Uncut 

I'm sure you'll hear (a LOT) more on the subject from him if you keep following this (endless) conversation.

 

I won’t necessarily claim that, considering I have met a few on the forum who don’t mind arranging deposits. Just because they aren’t actively advocating it, doesn’t mean they are against it. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Trick said:

I will never put down a deposit for a session.  There are a lot of good, well-reviewed providers who don’t require them.  I’ll stick to hiring them.

I think pinning providers against one another is a bit toxic habit, something that some believe is acceptable.

Instead of talking about what you’ll never do, how about just recognizing each individual provider has their individual preference on how they want to book people. That could be based on where that provider may be in their life/business. If someone can afford the time and money loss from flakes, maybe they won’t. Maybe they get plenty of serious clients in their particular area to not need to. Maybe they only see clients by appointment only, and spend their own money when they do, so they have to ask a deposit. It’s not about YOU. 
 

And this isn’t limited to escort industry. I was checking into a hotel in Indianapolis last month. The clerk was like, $50 deposit will be held to your account. Since it was late, and I was a single man with no kids or pets for 1 night, I was like: “I thought y’all only did that when someone books thru Priceline or a 3rd party? I’m a Diamond member.”

He’s like, yeah we used to never require a deposit but after Covid: people started messing up the rooms etc etc so now we do it for everybody. 
 

So guess what? Not only are we also getting the Covid brains, we also have to pay extra out of pocket ourselves. So not getting a deposit, would be a pure luxury from some of us. In my case, the client was hosting and sent me a deposit anyway, I just needed a place to sleep 😴 

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[Trick]

20 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I think pinning providers against one another is a bit toxic habit,

 

It’s called free enterprise.  I like Company A’s business model more than Company B’s, so I go to Company A. How is that a toxic habit? 
 

Today’s business world is driven by reviews, so I will post reviews and tell other consumers what I don’t like about Company B.  I’ll say, “Avoid this company, they ask for deposits.”

[Trick]

42 minutes ago, Jay_lucas said:

I never said I was looking for a deposit. I was just asking for advice. 

I didn’t say you were.  I was just putting my vote in for “no deposits.”

To put it in the form of an advice, I say, don’t ask for a deposit, many clients don’t like it.  Another advice: Don’t put yourself in a position where you’re at the mercy of flakers and time wasters.  Establish a roster of regulars in places you visit.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

36 minutes ago, Trick said:

It’s called free enterprise.  I like Company A’s business model more than Company B’s, so I go to Company A. How is that a toxic habit? 
 

Today’s business world is driven by reviews, so I will post reviews and tell other consumers what I don’t like about Company B.  I’ll say, “Avoid this company, they ask for deposits.”

 

It’s toxic because you’re ALWAYS on the one side of things, regardless of the information and experiences that are posted. You don’t even acknowledge the circumstances, you just immediately say what you’re not going to do…and then reference other escorts who supposedly don’t) 
 

30 minutes ago, Trick said:

I didn’t say you were.  I was just putting my vote in for “no deposits.”

To put it in the form of an advice, I say, don’t ask for a deposit, many clients don’t like it.  Another advice: Don’t put yourself in a position where you’re at the mercy of flakers and time wasters.  Establish a roster of regulars in places you visit.

If many clients don’t like it, then they should be doing their due diligence when it comes down to arranging bookings. Like I said before, I occasionally offer compromises to deposits but some don’t want to do it.

And “putting yourself at the mercy” of flakes and timewasters is unavoidable simply because unless you’re encouraging to stop advertising all together: it’s going to happen anyway. The only way to mitigate best, is to have a fee for contact like I mentioned before.

Also having regulars isn’t necessarily foolproof either. They cancel and flake just as well. I was going to meet a regular in Cincinnati last month, when he seen me posted up. A 2 hour session. Fortunately before I started heading up, the morning of I asked if we were confirmed and to send location and he’s like, “no schedule changed”. Considering the drive was hours away, good thing I didn’t start heading their the night before. And I didn’t even mention deposit because he usually shows up, but he’s often last minute and cancels every other appointment locally. I knew better than to trust him meeting in a different state because, he’s not reliable. Regular doesn’t always mean “reliable”. Let’s get that straight.
 

The only solution is SOMETHING NOMINAL UPFRONT, BEFORE YOU SPEND MONEY OR SET ASIDE TIME. Period.

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[Trick]

27 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

It’s toxic because you’re ALWAYS on the one side of things, regardless of the information and experiences that are posted. You don’t even acknowledge the circumstances, you just immediately say what you’re not going to do…and then reference other escorts who supposedly don’t) 
 

If many clients don’t like it, then they should be doing their due diligence when it comes down to arranging bookings. Like I said before, I occasionally offer compromises to deposits but some don’t want to do it.

And “putting yourself at the mercy” of flakes and timewasters is unavoidable simply because unless you’re encouraging to stop advertising all together: it’s going to happen anyway. The only way to mitigate best, is to have a fee for contact like I mentioned before.

Also having regulars isn’t necessarily foolproof either. They cancel and flake just as well. I was going to meet a regular in Cincinnati last month, when he seen me posted up. A 2 hour session. Fortunately before I started heading up, the morning of I asked if we were confirmed and to send location and he’s like, “no schedule changed”. Considering the drive was hours away, good thing I didn’t start heading their the night before. And I didn’t even mention deposit because he usually shows up, but he’s often last minute and cancels every other appointment locally. I knew better than to trust him meeting in a different state because, he’s not reliable. Regular doesn’t always mean “reliable”. Let’s get that straight.
 

The only solution is SOMETHING NOMINAL UPFRONT, BEFORE YOU SPEND MONEY OR SET ASIDE TIME. Period.

I’ll just remind you that I’m the client here.  So I do what I like.  Why would I consider the other side when I’m happy with the side I’m on.  I don’t care about provider’s circumstances, that’s their problem.  I’ll pick the providers who run their business in the way that benefits me.

[Trick]

35 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

The only solution is SOMETHING NOMINAL UPFRONT, BEFORE YOU SPEND MONEY OR SET ASIDE TIME. Period.

The only solution for me is NOT TO GIVE ANYTHING UPFRONT.  It’s working for me and the providers I like.  Period.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

11 minutes ago, Trick said:

I’ll just remind you that I’m the client here.  So I do what I like.  Why would I consider the other side when I’m happy with the side I’m on.  I don’t care about provider’s circumstances, that’s their problem.  I’ll pick the providers who run their business in the way that benefits me.

Well that’s fine, do what you please. If you wish (not saying you are) to be selfish, uncompromising and self-centered when it comes down to deposits: That’s your choice. But where it becomes an issue is when you reiterate it like it’s some type of disadvantage or wrong doing on the part of the escort. 

Even though I often encourage and require them: I have done with and without over the years, so I’m not just speaking from one side. I’ve experienced both. You keep saying “never never never”. Well then you have no experience beyond what you know. 

 

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[Trick]

13 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Well that’s fine, do what you please. If you wish (not saying you are) to be selfish, uncompromising and self-centered when it comes down to deposits: That’s your choice. But where it becomes an issue is when you reiterate it like it’s some type of disadvantage or wrong doing on the part of the escort. 

Even though I often encourage and require them: I have done with and without over the years, so I’m not just speaking from one side. I’ve experienced both. You keep saying “never never never”. Well then you have no experience beyond what you know. 

 

Every consumer is selfish, uncompromising, and self-centered when it comes to the product or service they’re getting. 
 

Does anyone say, “I’ll eat at that restaurant because the waiter has to drive 2 hours to get there. I hope I help him pay for gas.”?

 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

19 minutes ago, Trick said:

Every consumer is selfish, uncompromising, and self-centered when it comes to the product or service they’re getting. 
 

Does anyone say, “I’ll eat at that restaurant because the waiter has to drive 2 hours to get there. I hope I help him pay for gas.”?

 

 

Wrong analogy. The waiter is covering multiple customers in a setting that is already paid for by a company. It’s also tips, he’s not reliant on 1 table. Gas would be the sole overhead. And what waiter you know is driving 2 hours to work that you know? I’m sure it exists, but maybe in Gordon Ramsay’s kitchen where they pulling 6 figures.

On the other hand, a catering company with multiple staff WOULD likely charge a deposit to host 1 client, who wants an event. See the difference?

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[Trick]

6 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Wrong analogy. The waiter is covering multiple customers in a setting that is already paid for by a company. It’s also tips, he’s not reliant on 1 table. Gas is not an overhead. And what waiter you know is driving 2 hours to work that you know? I’m sure it exists, but maybe in Gordon Ramsay’s kitchen.

On the other hand, a catering company with multiple staff WOULD likely charge a deposit to host 1 client, who wants an event. See the difference?

You’ll never get the point.

[mike carey]

I remember it being claimed, probably apocryphally, that Henry Ford said of the Model T that you could have any colour you want, as long as it's black. His factory, his choice. That's why to this day all Ford cars are black.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

23 minutes ago, Trick said:

You’ll never get the point.

Your point? No I won’t, because you’re not making any sense talking about a waiter. Then somehow trying to relate that to a sex worker who pays to advertise, and sees clients privately. It’s not the same. Whether you care or don’t care about their overheads is irrelevant. That’s not the discussion. The discussion is: how can escorts ensure they aren’t going to be stood up when reserving time and spending money to see clients? Deposit.

Matter of fact, escort yourself out 🥾 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

13 minutes ago, mike carey said:

I remember it being claimed, probably apocryphally, that Henry Ford said of the Model T that you could have any colour you want, as long as it's black. His factory, his choice. That's why to this day all Ford cars are black.

Henry Ford didn't say "colour", he said "color". 😉

Ford's limitations on color only lasted from 1914 to 1926.  Before 1914, red was the most popular color of Ford automobiles.  In 1926 Ford began offering automobiles in various colors to meet consumer demand with an improved painting process.

I learned to drive on a blue Ford Taurus.  No, my family did not pay an advanced deposit before arriving at the automobile dealership.

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Tied back to the topic of deposits

[mike carey]

6 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Henry Ford didn't say "colour", he said "color". 😉

 

I had always understood that he said the word. If indeed he spelt the word, I am grateful for that additional snippet of information!

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

4 minutes ago, mike carey said:

I had always understood that he said the word. If indeed he spelt the word, I am grateful for that additional snippet of information!

A quote from Henry Ford's 1922 autobiography, In My Life and Work:

Therefore in 1909 I announced one morning, without any previous warning, that in the future we were going to build only one model, that that model was going to be Model “T,” that the chassis would be exactly the same for all cars, and I remarked: “Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black”

[Trick]

12 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Your point? No I won’t, because you’re not making any sense talking about a waiter. Then somehow trying to relate that to a sex worker who pays to advertise, and sees clients privately. It’s not the same. Whether you care or don’t care about their overheads is irrelevant. That’s not the discussion. The discussion is: how can escorts ensure they aren’t going to be stood up when reserving time and spending money to see clients? Deposit.

Matter of fact, escort yourself out 🥾 

My point is, I don’t care about the employees’ circumstances when picking a business. I find the business that suits me.

When hiring an escort, I don’t care about his circumstances, his hotel bills, or gas expenses.  I hire him to provide a service, I pay him at the rate he sets and I never haggle. It’s not my responsibility to keep flakes from ruining his business.  My responsibility is to be a good client and not be a flake. But I will NEVER send a deposit. 
 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

15 minutes ago, Trick said:

My point is, I don’t care about the employees’ circumstances when picking a business. I find the business that suits me.

When hiring an escort, I don’t care about his circumstances, his hotel bills, or gas expenses.  I hire him to provide a service, I pay him at the rate he sets and I never haggle. It’s not my responsibility to keep flakes from ruining his business.  My responsibility is to be a good client and not be a flake. But I will NEVER send a deposit. 
 

 

Okay, well if the thread were: “why I don’t care to give escorts deposits” then perhaps you would be on the right track. However, the basis of this was a client who booked a 3 hour session without a deposit, and didn’t show. So now the escort is considering it. Why does it have to turn into a discussion about what you do and don’t care about? 
 

You can’t learn if you stay stuck on what you want and think is fair for YOU. When you are able to see the other side of things, then you’ll see why some people may ask for a deposit, and not consider that being a deal breaker or only reason you won’t see them. That’s ignorant if you can’t be willing to accept why some do it. 
 

You don’t want to pay deposit? Fine. But you might come across someone who does. I’ve explained it already in another thread recently: in some cases both parties are taking a risk, and sometimes the escort is the one who occasionally pays upfront. So if a client feels he doesn’t want to pay upfront either, that can go both ways. I may not want to pay $3.50 upfront per gallon of gas to drive 300 miles away. Or $120 per night plus deposit for a room upfront without a deposit. Does that make someone wrong? How so?
 

And don’t say it doesn’t because that’s exactly what you’re implying. You’re implying the provider should take the risk and you shouldn’t.

Plus, I’m not too sure about you anyway. You said in another thread, that you seen a provider and afterwards forgot your wallet in the car. You sound sketchy AF. Similar to a guy in Riverside California who came to me in Temecula and he’s like: “I forgot my wallet”. And I seen him with no deposit 🤦🏾‍♂️ Luckily, I told him BEFORE i got started…go back and get then. He never came back. He wasted his gas, not mine. But I didn’t appreciate him taking up my whole day only to come with no money 😤 

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[mike carey]

To be pedantic AF, I wasn't quoting him I was reporting what was said, so I was writing the word as I would always write it. If I had wanted to make a point about how Ford recorded what he had said I could have written 'color' and followed it with (sic) to indicate the non-standard (to me) spelling. But now I'm being silly, and that would be my defence in court! Now, back to deposits.

[Trick]

1 minute ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Okay, well if the thread were: “why I don’t care to give escorts deposits” then perhaps you would be on the right track. However, the basis of this was a client who booked a 3 hour session but didn’t send a deposit, and the person was considering it. Why does it have to turn into a discussion about what you do and don’t care about? 

I already gave my advice to the OP not to ask for deposits.

You’re the one refuting my advice to him. Whenever this topic of deposits comes up, you talk about flakes and time wasters.  As a client, that is not my problem.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, Trick said:

I already gave my advice to the OP not to ask for deposits.

You’re the one refuting my advice to him. Whenever this topic of deposits comes up, you talk about flakes and time wasters.  As a client, that is not my problem.

You swear you are making an argument right now lol. That’s not advice, that’s your personal agenda. It’s not advice to assist with his particular dilemma. Quote:

“But a lot of New Clients lately I haven’t asked for a deposit upon meeting and  a lot of clients that I don’t ask for a deposit, they end up flaking on me.”

So where do you come along to keep repeating: “don’t take deposits”. Dude just fucking said it that the new clients he don’t take deposits from, flake on him. What is the missing piece you’re not getting? 
 

Sensible  advice would be: Start taking deposits from all new clients. I think most people in the biz for awhile, know what to do to solve the difficulties we face. It just takes a bit of courage and willingness to let some people go. Some clients may not want to pay deposits? Well it might not be worth the risk to see them. Unless they have some other way to verify.

I told a guy in Cincinnati last month: he wanted me to host, but I said I would need a deposit. He’s like “well, I can host but I need to meet you in public first”. I said okay, well send me a picture of you first (I would have been commuting from another city to Cincinnati). He’s like, “never mind this is too complex”. Really? No compromise. That’s not enough security for me to go drive 4 hours away. 
 

That’s why I say, it’s not even the deposit half the time. It’s their insecurity and desire to control a situation, which at worst can put you in a bad situation…at best have your time wasted for the day. YOU don’t get to dictate what an escort needs to secure and establish their safety and peace of mind. Clients don’t set the rules, escorts do. That’s why you don’t come to us and say how much you want to pay. 

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[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, mike carey said:

Now, back to deposits.

In my personal experience: I have been side by side with some escorts I’ve met who don’t do deposits, they are often high volume and have guys coming and going at all times of the day. One client leaving, another one coming up. And some be fucking other guys for free in between. Then people wonder why someone can’t cum or perform the way you desired. Of course they don’t care about deposits because, they’re trying to squeeze in as many guys as possible to get the best bang for their hotel bucks. 

I’m not dissing on how anyone works, that’s their personal choice: BUT…I think it has to be realized WHY those escorts some people brag about who don’t do deposits, may be different from those who do. 

Some of us on the other hand, only wish to see no more than 1 or 2 clients a day, and not everyday. That’s a max. I personally don’t have the inclination to see 3-4 guys in a day. Whether that’s massage or escorting. It’s too much logistics to do that, and especially in a hotel or even my own place, I don’t want all that traffic…I have before, but I could count on 1 hand the times I’ve actually seen more than 3 clients in a day over the years. So that’s why when 1 client cancels, it can affect someone’s whole day because there’s no guarantee another client (paying equal or more) will be available to fill the time that day. 

The ONLY time I would recommend not doing a deposit is with a Grindr or met in person client (nightclub, hotel, etc). Those guys aren’t usually looking to pay anyway so, gotta kinda be easy. However, in those situations I only do it when I’m actively available and looking, and they are usually same day on the spot. So if they flake it wasn’t something I expected anyway.

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[+ nycman]

[56harrisond]

15 hours ago, Jay_lucas said:

I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on deposits and do you think it’s fair for providers to get one

I won't pay a deposit to a provider I've never met in person. If a deposit is requested, I'll just move on to another provider.

It's more than fair to ask for a deposit given the challenges a provider faces. Those providers, however, just aren't for me. Am I missing out on a great provider because of that decision? Yes. And I'm okay with that because I'll always be able to hire a provider without paying a thing in advance.