Masseurs who stand you up

[d.anders]

12 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

I like phone calls, as long as they are short and stick to relevant info, and I am expecting the call.

New customer calls can't be announced in advance. They are mostly spontaneous. If a provider requires expectation, you risk losing the opportunity to meet a new client. As a general rule, new customers don't want to work too hard to get a service, not until they know the value of that service, and even then there are limits to what inconveniences they will tolerate.

12 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

I avoid the “clients” wanting free phone sex to engage their fantasies.

Customer rudeness and greed is an issue in the HE business, but how do you see these clients in order to avoid them? Do they wear a sign on their forehead? When you deny everyone the ability to call and speak directly, it assumes everyone is one of these obnoxious customers. Not good. Time is a 2-way street. I want mine respected, too. Without a happy customer, providers don't get paid.

[Simon Suraci]

3 hours ago, d.anders said:

New customer calls can't be announced in advance.

Yes they can. Email, text, leave a voicemail, RentMen Messenger, RentMasseur’s email/message system, Social Media, take your pick! You don’t even have to use the 21st century options among those if you don’t want to. Leave a voicemail.

Clients who expect me to be available all the time to take calls and won’t send some form of message to schedule a call are clients I don’t want anyway. It indicates to me that the client is impatient, entitled and unreasonable. That’s exactly the kind of client I want to screen out.

[d.anders]

51 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Yes they can. Email, text, leave a voicemail, etc.

Yes, a determined, potential customer can jump through the various hoops to try to talk with you on a phone call. However, I wouldn't call that customer friendly. I call that an obstacle course of avoidance.

54 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Clients who expect me to be available all the time to take calls

Simon, I don't know any of these obnoxious customers you describe. I certainly don't behave this way.

56 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

impatient, entitled and unreasonable

Your words, not mine. Those are serious judgment calls for a new client you don't know and have barely met. Personally, I try to find a provider who is not so quick to judge, or misjudge me.

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

That’s exactly the kind of client I want to screen out.

Any provider who uses the term "screen out" so casually would be a red flag for me. What were you saying about impatient, entitled, and unreasonable? Perceptions work both ways.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

19 hours ago, d.anders said:

For security purposes, land lines are the safest, so it boggles my mind why any of these guys want text messages, since they are the least safe. Everyone got rid of their landline to save money, which then left everyone more vulnerable. Cell phone calls are no safer, either. All these digital devices are so easy to record. How can anyone expect a private conversation about private matters to remain private in the realm of digital? It's not so easy for certain groups to record a land line conversation.

Land lines are recorded all the time.  The only safe way to communicate is via telegram.  But be sure to write the telegram in secret code, and use a separate telegram agency to deliver a code decipher separately to the provider.

If a provider can't be bothered to de-code the telegram and then respond with a self-destructing audio tape recording of his voice to prove he's real, then the client dodged the bullet and avoided a provider who might be late or cancel. 😊

(This whole response is sarcasm and a joke; like I hope some of the previous responses are.  Leaving a voicemail message is "jumping through hoops"?  Come on)

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

41 minutes ago, d.anders said:

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

Yes they can. Email, text, leave a voicemail, etc.

Yes, a determined, potential customer can jump through the various hoops to try to talk with you on a phone call. However, I wouldn't call that customer friendly. I call that an obstacle course of avoidance.

Leaving a voice message when someone can't answer their telephone is an obstacle course?  Sounds like an overaction, especially from someone who relies on a landline and would therefore rely on voice messages when he leaves the house or is occupied.

41 minutes ago, d.anders said:

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

Clients who expect me to be available all the time to take calls

Simon, I don't know any of these obnoxious customers you describe. I certainly don't behave this way.

Every friend group has one of these obnoxious people.  If someone doesn't know any... Then statistically it is probably them 😉

 

Back to the subject at hand....

Over the course of 15+ years and 100s of masseurs hired, I have had a 99.8% success rate of providers showing, and I never had a verbal conversation before hand.  I do research on these forums and I never pay up front.  Those two tips alone have served me well in having quality experiences when I hire.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Vegas_Millennial

[Simon Suraci]

@d.anders What’s your success rate on masseurs showing up?

Sorry for the detour off topic. Thanks for the redirect @Vegas_Millennial. We can save the chatter about phone call etiquette and reasonable expectations for other threads on those topics.

[d.anders]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Land lines are recorded all the time.

I believe NY State law requires one-party consent. There are other states that require two-party consent. I could be wrong, but I've been told by lawyers that it is easier for law enforcement to get permission to record cell phones. At any rate, I was trying to make a point about taking security for granted, and choosing less-smart choices. IMO, texting is less smart.

1 hour ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Leaving a voice message when someone can't answer their telephone is an obstacle course?  Sounds like an overaction

Not an overreaction at all. If a provider says "text-only" in his ad, is it smart to assume a voice message will be welcomed? I don't think so. But go ahead and try. By obstacle course, I was referring to the choices available for an obnoxious provider (impatient, entitled, and unreasonable) to avoid dealing with or screening a new customer.

43 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

What’s your success rate on masseurs showing up?

I welcome incalls and outcalls, as long as you have a table that can fit my body. When I was younger, I welcomed massage on the bed, but I can't do that anymore. In 30+ years of hiring, I've never been canceled, and I've never canceled. If I did have to cancel (emergency only), especially at the last minute, I am the type of customer who would insist on paying for the appointment lost. That's how I define a great customer.

[Your Man in Arlington]

8 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Over the course of 15+ years and 100s of masseurs hired, I have had a 99.8% success rate of providers showing, and I never had a verbal conversation before hand.  I do research on these forums and I never pay up front.  Those two tips alone have served me well in having quality experiences when I hire.

Yes. I'm Gen X and the last thing I want to do is call a provider on the phone for a real-time conversation before or as part of scheduling an appointment and don't think I've every had a single no show. +1 on those two tips.

Edited December 12, 2023 by Your Man in Arlington

[+ DrownedBoy]

The only times I had a phone conversation, it was either a no show or a scam.

However, I have begun insisting on calling providers who may not speak English well. If they can't understand "500 for 2 hours," it's a good sign they also won't understand the sentence, "you agreed to 2 hours, not 70 minutes."

Edited December 12, 2023 by DrownedBoy

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 12/9/2023 at 8:38 PM, BigNoiseDallas said:

Turns out he slept through our appointment. Very frustrating.

 

On 12/9/2023 at 9:34 PM, Ichabod said:

Turned out he had fallen asleep and didn't hear me.

I’m officially calling bullshit on the “fell asleep” excuse. Unless the person is using drugs or sedatives…which is usually the case. I can understand falling asleep and not hearing an UNEXPECTED text or call, but for an appointment? Nah. I had someone do that to me the other night, not a client…but one of my fuck buddy friends. #1 I don’t believe him and #2 even if I did believe him, it’s like: why would you fall asleep mid-text when I say I’m on my way? And #3 that’s a waste of my time and gas especially at night.  
 

And I’ll also say: for every response here I’ll just mention, sometimes people talk about how the best masseurs/escorts are busy and don’t complain: but those are the same guys who are scheduling 10 clients in one day, and only making time for 1 or 2. But the gullible guys who think, “oh I’ll go with him, he doesn’t charge a deposit NOR require screening or advance notice, sounds easy I’ll book with him”…and then get flaked on. I’ve seen it in real life. I’ve seen some guys do the conveyor belt method of taking clients:  it may make more money in the moment but, somebody going to get shafted when they can’t keep up with everyone they agreed to meet.
 

The reason I ask for deposits and get screening details is because, I’m interested in making a mutually enjoyable experience. Not just booking a bunch of numbers and trying to fill what I can and fucking off (no pun intended) the rest. 

Edited December 12, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[BigNoiseDallas]

50 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

I’m officially calling bullshit on the “fell asleep” excuse. Unless the person is using drugs or sedatives…which is usually the case. I can understand falling asleep and not hearing an UNEXPECTED text or call, but for an appointment? Nah. I had someone do that to me the other night, not a client…but one of my fuck buddy friends. #1 I don’t believe him and #2 even if I did believe him, it’s like: why would you fall asleep mid-text when I say I’m on my way? And #3 that’s a waste of my time and gas especially at night.  
 

And I’ll also say: for every response here I’ll just mention, sometimes people talk about how the best masseurs/escorts are busy and don’t complain: but those are the same guys who are scheduling 10 clients in one day, and only making time for 1 or 2. But the gullible guys who think, “oh I’ll go with him, he doesn’t charge a deposit NOR require screening or advance notice, sounds easy I’ll book with him”…and then get flaked on. I’ve seen it in real life. I’ve seen some guys do the conveyor belt method of taking clients:  it may make more money in the moment but, somebody going to get shafted when they can’t keep up with everyone they agreed to meet.
 

The reason I ask for deposits and get screening details is because, I’m interested in making a mutually enjoyable experience. Not just booking a bunch of numbers and trying to fill what I can and fucking off (no pun intended) the rest. 

After re-remembering, I think he said he slept through 2 alarms. He overslept because he had to stay for an after-event meeting since he was an organizer and didn't return to his room until 4:30 or 5:00 a.m. -- the appointment was for 10:00 a.m., I think. We had a rather catty text exchange when he finally responded and apologized. I was annoyed because he wasted my time, and he thought I was whining. My main issue was that he didn't offer to reschedule -- not even an "I apologize for missing the appointment and unfortunately can't reschedule because....." (fill in the blank). 

[jmichaeliii]

You at least got a response.  When I had Casey Everett booked in Vegas (after several messages back and forth to set the day up), the day of the appointment he ghosted me and when I texted him for a reason or response, he chose to block me on RM instead of even responding.  Really classy!  Clearly someone wrote his bio for him, because he doesn't live by the rules he advertises.

[Monarchy79]

I’ve been stood up once. It turned out to be a blessing, after I found his terrible reviews. 
 

I saved some potentially wasted cash by being stood up. 
 

 

[dbar123]

I’ve been stood up twice- both on incall. The first guy never answered the door and did not respond to text or calls and I never heard from him again

The second one was beyond crazy. I waited outside the guys door for 30 minutes. He then called me and told me he was on his way home but he had several errands to run first and would be home in 30ish minutes. He then got really mad when I told him I was leaving.