“Negative On Prep” Liars.

[Toomuch4u]

I’m not a frequent user on this site and I’m not going to call out names because it’s not my place to do that here and I’m just not going to call specific people out, but I just want to warn others there are guys on Rentmen and Rentmasseur who advertise themselves as “ negative on prep ” when I know these people are actually hiv +……Please don’t be naive and just because someone says that, doesn’t mean it’s true….please take care and protect yourselves guys. I personally think RM sites need to take that off there since guys are not truthful……

Edited August 2, 2023 by Toomuch4u

[MikeH10]

its a good reminder for sure. there's a couple guys on RM i know are + but leave the field blank, which i generally interpret to mean the same. 

like you said the best policy is to just assume self-reported info is inaccurate and protect yourself - prep and regular testing. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by MikeH10

[marylander1940]

27 minutes ago, Toomuch4u said:

I’m not a frequent user on this site and I’m not going to call out names because it’s not my place to do that here and I’m just not going to call specific people out, but I just want to warn others there are guys on Rentmen and Rentmasseur who advertise themselves as “ negative on prep ” when I know these people are actually hiv +……Please don’t be naive and just because someone says that, doesn’t mean it’s true….please take care and protect yourselves guys. I personally think RM sites need to take that off there since guys are not truthful……

 

13 minutes ago, MikeH10 said:

its a good reminder for sure. there's a couple guys on RM i know are + but leave the field blank, which i generally interpret to mean the same. 

like you said the best policy is to just assume no self-reported info is accurate and protect yourself - prep and regular testing. 

At the end of the day is up to you to take care of your own health whether is by taking a pill a day, wearing a condom or doing both! 

We've had PrEP for 6 or more years and condoms before, it breaks my heart to see young folks who are HIV+ as if they didn't know better what not to do

[Archangel]

I would always insist on “safe” if I weren’t on PreP. You have to look out for yourself…at least in that regard. 

[marylander1940]

15 minutes ago, Archangel said:

I would always insist on “safe” if I weren’t on PreP. You have to look out for yourself…at least in that regard. 

Besides undetectable is a condition that can easily change if someone does PNP , eats unhealthy or doesn't eat at all, drinks too much alcohol or simply forgets to take the pill...

[Whippoorwill]

Early on in life an older and wiser woman taught me there are two things people always lie about...money and sex. So here we have someone making money by doing sex work. And anyone is surprised that some people lie? Protect yourself boys. 

[Archangel]

5 minutes ago, Whippoorwill said:

Early on in life an older and wiser woman taught me there are two things people always lie about...money and sex. So here we have someone making money by doing sex work. And anyone is surprised that some people lie? Protect yourself boys. 

That sums up my suspicion about escorts completely. And probably theirs about me, although I do try to be honest in all my affairs. My sense is that there’s no way to convince an escort you’re honest. They suspect the worst – or shady intent – from the get-go. 

[Spiritualadvisor]

It would be great if the liars can be exposed on this forum. 

[coriolis888]

11 minutes ago, Spiritualadvisor said:

It would be great if the liars can be exposed on this forum. 

I am not specifically exposing anyone. 

However, on rentmen during this year, one particular provider was "rentmen of the day" twice.  

That same escort has been advertising for many years on rentmen.  Two years ago, his ad used to state that he was HIV +.  

Now, his ad does not say anything about his HIV + status. 

I believe some States in the U.S. require sex workers (and certain others) to disclose their HIV-positive status.  There is a criminal penalty in those states for failure to disclose prior to a sex act with another person.   

I do not know if the person is using PREP which would somewhat expiate for his failure to be truthfully disclosed. 

I also do not know if the person verbally tells a potential client of his HIV status prior to any meeting. 

It was certainly shocking for me to see the "rentmen of the year" (twice for this same provider) omit his previously disclosed HIV status.   

The bottom line is do not believe everything that is written (or not written) in a provider's advertisement.  

 

[Cliff]

I just remind myself that every provider may very well be positive and have STIs and, in response, religiously take my daily PReP and get tested regularly. 

[NJF]

Disclosing your own status is fine.  Disclosing someone’s status is illegal and an invitation for trouble. 
On the other hand, it is still a crime to hide your HIV status from your sexual partners in some states.

Edited August 2, 2023 by NJF

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

YOU are responsible for YOUR own health.  

My hope is that those who lie about their status are also on daily meds that keep them undetectable.  U=U.

Since that's impossible to know for sure, if you're going to tread amongst male escorts and the sex trade, it's your responsibility to protect yourself.

Unregulated industries have their downsides.   This is one of them.

[CuriousByNature]

Some of the posts in this thread make my eyes roll to the back of my head, and not in a good way.  A provider is not responsible for the health outcomes of their clients.  It strikes me as ridiculous that websites even include HIV status as a descriptor, because there is no way for someone having frequent encounters to be absolutely sure they are negative or undetectable 100% of the time, even if they were to be tested daily.  I think the most honest thing a provider can do is leave that question blank, which also puts the onus back on the client to determine the level of risk they wish to assume.   

If seeing the words 'negative on prep' causes a client to take unnecessary risks and forget about safety, that decision is on them.  The profiles on RM are advertisements, not sworn affidavits.  

[DMICS]

2 hours ago, Cliff said:

I just remind myself that every provider may very well be positive and have STIs and, in response, religiously take my daily PReP and get tested regularly. 

Pretty much. 
 

 

[JonathanCAN]

5 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

That same escort has been advertising for many years on rentmen.  Two years ago, his ad used to state that he was HIV +.  

Now, his ad does not say anything about his HIV + status. 

I do not know if the person is using PREP which would somewhat expiate for his failure to be truthfully disclosed. 

PrEP would only be prescribed to people who are negative anyway - once you are +, you'd be on ART. If no status shown on ad, you can presume it's communicating more than it is not written.

[JonathanCAN]

Like others said - if you are gonna go bare, the onus to be on PrEP falls on you the client regardless of whether you top or bottom.  The description is at best, a truthful representation of what they 'know'. There are always latency/incubation period for the various STIs.

[mike carey]

10 hours ago, Spiritualadvisor said:

It would be great if the liars can be exposed on this forum. 

Mod's Note

Yes, it would be great but they can't be. Forum guidelines prohibit sharing personal information about others that is not in the public domain, and that includes HIV status. You need a publicly available source that you can cite. 'He told me', doesn't cut it. In the case of a provider, a social media account that they have not identified as theirs is not sufficient (and for users here to use the forum to link a provider to such an account is also not permitted).

[Guest]

10 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

...I believe some States in the U.S. require sex workers (and certain others) to disclose their HIV-positive status.  There is a criminal penalty in those states for failure to disclose prior to a sex act with another person.   

I do not know if the person is using PREP which would somewhat expiate for his failure to be truthfully disclosed. .. 

By definition, if someone is HIV-positive, he's not on PrEP. In fact, physicians must test people before prescribing PrEP to make sure they're negative. Prescribing PrEP to someone who's actually HIV-positive can seriously put that patient at risk. 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Unicorn

[Guest]

On 8/2/2023 at 5:48 PM, CuriousByNature said:

... The profiles on RM are advertisements, not sworn affidavits.  

Well, I agree mostly with what you say. Theoretically, if someone tells a sexual partner he's negative when he's actually positive, that person could be subject to civil and criminal penalties. Just because one puts up an advertisement does not give one a license to lie. Many advertisers in various businesses have had both civil and criminal liabilities due to false advertising. Just because one does not swear under the penalty of perjury that a statement is true does not give one the permission to defraud, swindle, or get someone to consent to sex that they otherwise wouldn't have consented to. 

That being said, I agree with the rest of your post. Although mis-stating one's HIV status to trick someone into consenting to sex is probably illegal, it is also true, from a practical matter, that it's foolish to trust escort statements on their ads. If you get intimate with an escort, you'd be quite silly to let your guard down. And, **News Flash!** a lot of escorts lie about their age, too. 

[+ Tygerscent]

If there were no providers at all: HIV, PreP and consistency/compliance issues, STI’s, knowledge/certainty, (or lack of either with regard to status), would still exist~   
 Considerations of safety and disclosure are a human issue and not specifically a provider issue~  It’s not even a gay issue…    
 While there is responsibility for providing potential safety for one’s brothers and sisters, part of that involves personal responsibility of taking care of one’s self~ Who on this planet can say they have taken care of themselves 100% of the time and not taken risks that potentially effect others with drugs, alcohol, money, food, etc.~?  
 Judgment is both easy and dangerous when only the simple picture is considered~ Pointing blame on one group doesn’t dismiss one’s own personal responsibility~ Directing this against providers seems naive dangerously oversimplified~ 

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Edited August 4, 2023 by Tygerscent

[+ Tygerscent]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:11 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

YOU are responsible for YOUR own health.  

My hope is that those who lie about their status are also on daily meds that keep them undetectable.  U=U.

Since that's impossible to know for sure, if you're going to tread amongst male escorts and the sex trade, it's your responsibility to protect yourself.

Unregulated industries have their downsides.   This is one of them.

Additionally, if one is going to tread with any sexual partner male or female, personal responsibility remains… HIV is not exclusive to providers or even the gay community~ 

[Monarchy79]

On 8/2/2023 at 2:40 PM, Spiritualadvisor said:

It would be great if the liars can be exposed on this forum. 

Why? The site would crash. Both providers and clients lie about many things, from their health, age, weight, etc., etc. 

People lie about various things for various reasons. The key is not to believe with much of what anyone tells you, and prepare and protect yourself. Your well-being is your sole responsibility. 
 

Altering one’s sex practices based on what some guy tells you is just as silly as removing your seatbelt on the highway, based on what other drivers tell you. 
 

[coriolis888]

On 8/2/2023 at 5:57 PM, JonathanCAN said:

PrEP would only be prescribed to people who are negative anyway - once you are +, you'd be on ART. If no status shown on ad, you can presume it's communicating more than it is not written.

Thank you for the information.  I did not know that PrEP is only for people who are negative for HIV.

Fortunately, I am negative so I had no reason to know the difference between the two types of medicines.  One medicine is for negative people as a preventative while the other is for people who are positive.  

How dumb I was.  

[CuriousByNature]

7 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Thank you for the information.  I did not know that PrEP is only for people who are negative for HIV.

Fortunately, I am negative so I had no reason to know the difference between the two types of medicines.  One medicine is for negative people as a preventative while the other is for people who are positive.  

How dumb I was.  

Not dumb at all.  The most important thing is to be informed, which many of us now are

[mike carey]

5 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

Not dumb at all.  The most important thing is to be informed, which many of us now are

Absolutely, not dumb at all @coriolis888, we don't all discover these things at the same time, nor do we necessarily need to. There is no shame about when we do find out such things.