“Negative On Prep” Liars.

[coriolis888]

So many providers say they are using this product to remain HIV negative (99% effective). 

I did a little research today and learned that the process of being protected is a daily use of a drug that is furnished sometimes free from various programs.   However, a prescription is required as well as laboratory tests to obtain the medication. 

After reading through the material, I wonder how many providers will faithfully take the medication every day, as required by the instructions that come with the medication. 

The providers who constantly travel would be a major concern to me because the drug is usually mailed to the patient's house.  If the patient is constantly traveling, it is so easy to run out of the pills.  

As I wrote above, a prescription is required to get the drug.  This would be a major task for a frequent traveler.

Of course, a large supply of the medication could be obtained for traveling.  

So much to learn about such a critical item!

[mike carey]

Providers take PrEP for their own benefit, not for their clients. They do not want to contract HIV. Clients should also act in their own interests, not those of others unless the two coincide.

[coriolis888]

22 minutes ago, mike carey said:

Providers take PrEP for their own benefit, not for their clients. They do not want to contract HIV. Clients should also act in their own interests, not those of others unless the two coincide.

While it is true that "Providers take PrEP for their own benefit- - - " it is obvious that when the advertisements of providers say the provider is on Prep, the comment in the ad is part of the sales advertisement.  The comment about Prep increases the possibility that  the provider will be hired.  

However, even though the provider says he takes the medication, the check mark in his advertisement does not nesessarily mean that he does, in fact, take the medication. 

As I wrote in my earlier post, getting access to the drug requires a prescription and laboratory tests.  A busy traveling provider may not stick to such a rigid requirement. 

I think many of us should consider the claim in an advertisement of taking that medication as a "maybe" and not a certain thing.  

[CuriousByNature]

1 hour ago, coriolis888 said:

I think many of us should consider the claim in an advertisement of taking that medication as a "maybe" and not a certain thing.  

Based on what we hear about in many posts regarding incongruent experiences between actual meetings and what is placed in an advertisement, I would recommend that no part of an advertisement be taken as a 'certain thing' - especially for things like health status which are impossible for a client to verify.  I believe it really comes down to determining one's own acceptable level of risk, under the assumption that advertisements may not be truthful in all of their details.  

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 8/10/2023 at 12:55 PM, coriolis888 said:

So many providers say they are using this product to remain HIV negative (99% effective). 

I did a little research today and learned that the process of being protected is a daily use of a drug that is furnished sometimes free from various programs.   However, a prescription is required as well as laboratory tests to obtain the medication. 

After reading through the material, I wonder how many providers will faithfully take the medication every day, as required by the instructions that come with the medication. 

The providers who constantly travel would be a major concern to me because the drug is usually mailed to the patient's house.  If the patient is constantly traveling, it is so easy to run out of the pills.  

As I wrote above, a prescription is required to get the drug.  This would be a major task for a frequent traveler.

Of course, a large supply of the medication could be obtained for traveling.  

So much to learn about such a critical item!

Yes.  Labs and doc visits are not new.  PrEP has always been this way... For well over a decade.  It requires some legwork, like many drug regimes.  

It's a simple daily pill...  Not all that difficult to obtain or maintain.

Some insurers will do 90-day supplies.  Traveling guys should have little issue getting it, especially with nationwide networks of pharmacies.  Not everything needs to be mailed.

There's also PrEP in injectable form.  It's long-lasting and effective.

Where you seem to constantly see issues, other people see solutions.

Edited August 11, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[coriolis888]

11 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

 

Where you seem to constantly see issues, other people see solutions.

I disagree.

Even though taking the drug should be an easy solution, human nature causes many (or most) people to become complacement and lose interest after years of taking that drug.  That is just human nature.  

Remember, a prescription is required for the drug as well as lab tests.  Those providers who travel across state lines have a problem in using a prescription written by a physician not licensed in the state where the provider tries to fill the prescription. 

Of course, there often are ways around the restriction of the out-of-state prescription, but after a while and the passage of years, people get lazy and less enthusiastic at staying compliant with taking the drug.  

Although well intended, many people lose interest in taking a drug even though it is in their best interest.  

The best of intentions do not always work the way they are planned to work.  

[ShortCutie7]

At the end of the day, there’s no way to guarantee anyone’s status.  Someone on PreP could forget to take a dose, as could someone who is taking drugs to remain undetectable. It is in everyone’s best sexual health interest to use condoms. I personally have never barebacked (and don’t plan to) and very very rarely do anal in the first place.

[pubic_assistance]

2 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said:

personally have never barebacked (and don’t plan to)

Bravo.

 

[Cooper]

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[ICTJOCK]

A great reminder,  thank you.   Health is our own responsibility and I'd never take the initiative with a client unless I was fully protected.    We all know what we should do to be respectful of ourselves and others.   Unfortunately,  there are those that neglect both.

[Beancounter]

@coriolis888 mentioned in a previous post that filling a prescription in a state where a doctor is not licensed to practice is not possible.  My experience is quite different.  I live in the Midwest but spend my winters in Florida.  I’ve never had a problem refilling my prescription written by my doctor in the Midwest while I’m in Florida.  Maybe certain drugs can’t be prescribed across state lines…I’m not sure about that.  

[NJF]

7 hours ago, Beancounter said:

@coriolis888 mentioned in a previous post that filling a prescription in a state where a doctor is not licensed to practice is not possible.  My experience is quite different.  I live in the Midwest but spend my winters in Florida.  I’ve never had a problem refilling my prescription written by my doctor in the Midwest while I’m in Florida.  Maybe certain drugs can’t be prescribed across state lines…I’m not sure about that.  

It is probably more likely than not that an out of state prescription can be filled without too much hassle. New York even allows out of state Schedule II-IV prescriptions to be filled.

[DWnyc]

Just an additional comment - this issue isn’t just about providers

I can think of at least 5-6 people I know in my geography who declare they are negative on prep in their online dating ads - but I know (because they have told me) they are positive. 

whatever reasoning they may have and however naive it may be for someone to rely just on that statement we need to wisen up and manage our own care. 

having experienced (as I’m sure many have) providers and Hookups trying unsuccessfully to get me to change my mind about how I wanted to play “in the heat of the moment” - I’ll add that split-second wavering is less likely if you have a firm belief based on knowledge and your situation internalized. 

[DWnyc]

Was talking to someone I’ve know who works at one of the prominent bars in New York 

He was saying that one welcome change in his job over the past few years that he no longer has to clear used condoms from the floor after closing time which was the part of his job he hated 

 

[Guest]

On 8/2/2023 at 11:40 AM, Spiritualadvisor said:

It would be great if the liars can be exposed on this forum. 

If only there was some sort of website or forum where people could be warned and protected from the disingenuous...... 

[Guest]

On 8/25/2023 at 5:53 PM, DWnyc said:

...I can think of at least 5-6 people I know in my geography who declare they are negative on prep in their online dating ads - but I know (because they have told me) they are positive...

Wow. That's a huge number. I guess this issue is analogous to leaving your bicycle unattended and unlocked in an urban environment. In a perfect world, this wouldn't be a problem. In real life, however, you'd expect your bicycle to get stolen. Obviously, one cannot condone bicycle thievery. If you could catch the thief, the thief could be held civilly and criminally liable. This does not mean you should trust everyone's honesty and leave your bicycle unlocked and unattended. The fact that you shouldn't have to is irrelevant. It only takes one bad apple. 

[coriolis888]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

Wow. That's a huge number. 

The above quote refers to people who are HIV positive yet lie and say they are HIV negative. 

Once again, this week, the same person appeared again on rentmen as "rentmen of the day" making no reference about his being HIV positive.   He appeared on the "rentmen of the day" ad several times this year.

However, a couple of years a back, this same person used to disclose being HIV +.

To my knowledge, there is no cure for HIV.   So, how can he now be negative?

Lesson to learn?   Do not believe everthing posted in ads.  

[SirBillybob]

‘Do not show’ is a genuine option and does not signify a change from seropositive to seronegative. It is an omission, not misrepresentation. No different from a fellow always choosing to not specify. Other examples in the thread do represent mendacity. Any potential client can ask for details regardless of the status delineation. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by SirBillybob

[coriolis888]

5 minutes ago, SirBillybob said:

‘Do not show’ is a genuine option and does not signify a change from seropositive to seronegative. It is an omission, not misrepresentation. No different from a fellow always choosing to not specify. Other examples in the thread do represent mendacity. Any potential client can ask for details regardless of the status delineation. 

We both know that you are a very bright person. 

However, when you say "It is an omission, not misrepresentation." cannot be further from the truth.  You know better.  

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mis·rep·re·sen·ta·tion

/ˌmisˌreprəˌzenˈtāSH(ə)n/

noun

 

1. the action or offense of giving a false or misleading account of the nature of something.

   "she is seeking damages on allegations of misrepresentation"

    

 

 

 

 

[SirBillybob]

Rentmen frames the HIV status categorization as an optional way for members, escorts and clients alike, to describe personal medical context that might be relevant to some members in sorting out preferred partners and what prevention steps might be influenced by the information or reservations about its credibility. 

If the option applies to both providers and punters then I don’t know if it’s advertising in the same way that other variables are more clearly descriptors that are deemed as such. If HIV status communication is optionally executed at point of face-to-face contact, as many sexual interactions are, due to today’s complex nuances, even beyond the front-end sorting that culminates in face-to-face, then it falls into relevant information sharing. That said, I don’t question that using a status category will often be viewed as promotional as much as a way to be preferentially assortative about status. The commercial dynamic drives assertions of ‘best in class’ appeal, and poz stigma chips away at stock value. 

One problem with the communication method within the drop-down menu, inadvertently hierarchical in potential stigmatization, is that the categorization is overly simplistic. I think that other contributors on this topic have sufficiently outlined the nuances that support the idea the method is reductive, so that they they don’t all need to be outlined again here.

Edited August 27, 2023 by SirBillybob

[SirBillybob]

10 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

We both know that you are a very bright person. 

However, when you say "It is an omission, not misrepresentation." cannot be further from the truth.  You know better.  

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mis·rep·re·sen·ta·tion

/ˌmisˌreprəˌzenˈtāSH(ə)n/

 

noun

 

1. the action or offense of giving a false or misleading account of the nature of something.

   "she is seeking damages on allegations of misrepresentation"

    

 

 

 

 

Yes, that would apply to submitting an untrue selection in the status categories. It is not obligatory to advertise HIV status. At point of unprotected anal intercourse, failure to communicate poz status may vitiate consent, depending on clinical variables. The onus is on the poz sexual partner whether or not he is asked directly. 

Edited August 27, 2023 by SirBillybob

[coriolis888]

13 minutes ago, SirBillybob said:

‘Do not show’ is a genuine option and does not signify a change from seropositive to seronegative. It is an omission, not misrepresentation. No different from a fellow always choosing to not specify. Other examples in the thread do represent mendacity. Any potential client can ask for details regardless of the status delineation. 

The example you provided, above, merely shows that rentmen assists the ad placer to be dishonest about a very critical issue that many States (in the U.S.) make it a crime for failure to disclose HIV status to someone you anticipate a sexual act together.  

[DWnyc]

Ok - I’ll frame another example in the context of RM ada.

I know at least 2 providers in my geography who say specifically they are Negative (one just says “negative”, the other says “negative on prep”) and I know they are positive as they have told me. One of them used to say negative at the time they told me they were positive … then I noticed they changed it to positive a few weeks later … but now it’s back to actually saying negative.

And from others including people on this forum through private conversations I know there are others with similar observations about different providers.

the morality of this is a separate topic. Let’s acknowledge it happens. Clients can decide how to behave in such a world individually.

 

[SirBillybob]

5 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Ok - I’ll frame another example in the context of RM ada.

I know at least 2 providers in my geography who say specifically they are Negative (one just says “negative”, the other says “negative on prep”) and I know they are positive as they have told me. One of them used to say negative at the time they told me they were positive … then I noticed they changed it to positive a few weeks later … but now it’s back to actually saying negative.

And from others including people on this forum through private conversations I know there are others with similar observations about different providers.

the morality of this is a separate topic. Let’s acknowledge it happens. Clients can decide how to behave in such a world individually.

 

Right, we could assume the misrepresentation of HIV status happens irrespective of your concrete examples, that I don’t question. 

[coriolis888]

7 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Ok - I’ll frame another example in the context of RM ada.

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the morality of this is a separate topic. Let’s acknowledge it happens. Clients can decide how to behave in such a world individually.

 

How true are your words! 

Solution, do not believe anyone about HIV that you meet through rentmen or other provider sources.