Do you think current controversies with the transgender movement are making being gay more socially acceptable?

[+ tassojunior]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

Obviously depends on the country. In most of Africa, Muslim countries, and Russia,  it's most. Not a majority in most of the West, but it doesn't take a huge percentage for there to be gay bashing victims. Just enough silence. Obviously worse in Russia where gay bashings are encouraged.

  

 

Your hate mongering is amazing for a thread on hate. Any photos of Blacks beating up gays? (oh, that's not in style this year the regime says because they don't need it this year). Validating government-sponsored hate mongering will come back on your own group as surely as it always has. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by tassojunior

[+ tassojunior]

3 hours ago, Xavitv said:

Obviously not an expert. LGBT folks in many of those nations have been prosecuted and criminalized just for existing, which is why you don’t see groups pushing for their basic rights agenda. 

Max and thousands of gay Russian porn guys and escorts may indicate you've been lied to. He's on CB now. But don't believe your lying eyes, believe the Truth the regime tells you. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by tassojunior

[Xavitv]

Doubt it. Chaturbate shouldn’t be your human right index reference. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Xavitv

[+ tassojunior]

8 minutes ago, Xavitv said:

Chaturbate shouldn’t be your human right index reference. 

I think the fact that so many gay Russians are online media sex sites and that there are so many gay escorts in Russia puts a lie to our regime indoctrination lies that they have it so miserable. Yes, to not offend the Orthodox church Russia does not have gay marriage. We wouldn't have it here except for the Supreme Court.  

But the fact that most people follow regime-sponsored hate-mongering lies that are convenient is why we have hate. Groups have to be kept pitted against each other. Gays vs transgenders is a weird one.  

Edited May 29, 2023 by tassojunior

[Xavitv]

Again, I would read more about LGBT rights in Russia more than just using chaturbate as a reference. 
 

[+ José Soplanucas]

I sympathize with @tassojunior when he gets pissed at how easily Americans judge others with little self-criticism and awareness, but defending Putin's regime is just a childish reaction.

Can we return to the relationship between gay and trans rights, please?

[+ tassojunior]

My regime tells me gays are horribly persecuted in it's hate campaign. Yet I see more open gays and gay escorts in and from Russia than anyplace and the many I converse with tell me it's not a very big deal except for not getting married and being open to be discriminated against by some employers.

If you always believe the hate campaign propaganda that's fed to you by our government regime, you're always going to hate whatever group it has as the current target. Don't fall for hate campaigns.   

[Xavitv]

You’re just assuming that the hate is coming from “our regime lies” but not from actions from that other regime and asylum seekers from that same regime.

I’m not going to get into politics but to believe that Russia is some gay heaven based on chaturbate seems out of reality to me. 

[+ tassojunior]

12 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

I sympathize with @tassojunior when he gets pissed at how easily Americans judge others with little self-criticism and awareness, but defending Putin's regime is just a childish reaction.

Can we return to the relationship between gay and trans rights, please?

I'm not the one who inserted the pro-WW3 Russia hate into the thread like a dutiful puppet. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

2 hours ago, tassojunior said:

Max and thousands of gay Russian porn guys and escorts may indicate you've been lied to. He's on CB now.

Max aka Sasha is not gay. He is straight, as are 95% of the Russian male CB performers (many of whom no longer acknowledge they are Russian).

BoZo

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by BOZO T CLOWN

[+ tassojunior]

1 minute ago, Xavitv said:

You’re just assuming that the hate is coming from “our regime lies” but not from actions from that other regime and asylum seekers from that same regime.

I’m not going to get into politics but to believe that Russia is some gay heaven based on chaturbate seems out of reality to me. 

When a regime tells people to hate gays, people will hate gays as scapegoats. Having transgenders be scapegoats now to make it less harsh on gays is short-sighted. One huge difference, as Noam Chomsky just said, is that Russians and even Europeans and Chinese know their governments and media are liars and don't trust them. We in the US are the most thoroughly propagandized because we haven't come to that realization yet. How effective official hate campaigns are against any group is bad news because it shows what unquestioning puppets we are willing to go to any extreme. 

[+ BOZO T CLOWN]

You can add Kohl's to Annheuser-Busch and Target as another company that will lose billions in both revenue and stock price because they try to  placate the woke crowd rather than recognize the sensibilities of their customers.

Kohl's latest retailer facing boycott calls for selling Pride onesie...

NYPOST.COM

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"Looks like Kohl’s didn’t learn a thing from Bud Lite and Target," wrote End Wokeness of the crushing economic hits both took from boycotts.

BoZo

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by BOZO T CLOWN

[Xavitv]

9 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

When a regime tells people to hate gays, people will hate gays as scapegoats. Having transgenders be scapegoats now to make it less harsh on gays is short-sighted. One huge difference, as Noam Chomsky just said, is that Russians and even Europeans and Chinese know their governments and media are liars and don't trust them. We in the US are the most thoroughly propagandized because we haven't come to that realization yet. How effective official hate campaigns are against any group is bad news because it shows what unquestioning puppets we are willing to go to any extreme. 

Yeah, Russias regime propaganda against gays has been very effective. 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Xavitv

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, augustus said:

The vast majority of people are just be and let be.  Some of these "social controversies" are outrageous and are not making "gay being more socially acceptable".  Teaching K-3 kids that perhaps you were born in the wrong body or that we should build hundreds of thousands of bathrooms to accommodate the trans people is just so ridiculous.  The backlash is enormous and plays right into the hands of the evangelicals and radical right. 

I agree with you, cultural wars thrive and divert attention from important things! 

We must pick our fights, and some of the examples you mentioned are simply ridiculous and the Evangelicals will use them against all of us gay and bi men and women!

 

[+ tassojunior]

1 hour ago, Xavitv said:

Yeah, Russias regime propaganda against gays has been very effective. 

This Russian doesn't look too worried about Putin even though he's openly using Russian internet like thousands. But don't believe your lying eyes, believe the propaganda from the CIA. They told you the truth about Iraq didn't they? 

You're the one who wants him dead because of lies from your regime.

I'll guarantee he's more worried about you killing him than Putin's feelings.

This hate campaign from the regime permeates every aspect of life in the US now. We should not be so trusting of government propaganda. They don't care about truth, just effectiveness at bringing war and death. It helps the economy. War and death is 65% of our economy now.

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by tassojunior

[Xavitv]

Now I want him dead? Gurl. chill. 
 

You’re using Chaturbate as a source. You’re using Chaturbate as a source.
 

this is why I should just stick to Jarrod’s rants.  

Edited May 29, 2023 by Xavitv

[marylander1940]

29 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

This Russian doesn't look too worried about Putin even though he's openly using Russian internet like thousands. But don't believe your lying eyes, believe the propaganda from the CIA. They told you the truth about Iraq didn't they? 

You're the one who wants him dead because of lies from your regime.

I'll guarantee he's more worried about you killing him than Putin's feelings.

This hate campaign from the regime permeates every aspect of life in the US now. We should not be so trusting of government propaganda. They don't care about truth, just effectiveness at bringing war and death. It helps the economy. War and death is 65% of our economy now.

 

Can we go back to talk about whether some gay men feel more normalized and accepted because of the trans community coming out? 

[MikeBiDude]

Warning, Moderator sez, @marylander1940 is right…let’s get this back on topic, or risk closing this important discussion.

[pubic_assistance]

Personally I don't think trans issues should have ever  been lumped in with gay and bi issues in the first place.

My impression is that your average-Joe middle America redneck now has fewer problems with gays as long as they are NOT cross dressers. I think the trans issue takes away from the progress of gay and bisexual people in middle America.

Trans is still viewed by most mainstream American conservatives as a freak show. Needs to be separated OUT from the gay rights issue especially since a lot of trans people aren't homosexual ( or bisexual ).

[+ nycman]

It’s a different issue.

The predictable backlash is certainly having a negative impact on gay rights.

Unfortunately, it is what it is. 

[SouthOfTheBorder]

Transgender rights are similar to gay rights in that the essence of the idea is to overcome “denial of the authentic self” 

Straight people don’t need to understand being gay to accept gay people as equal in all things.  Similarly, straight people or gay people, don’t need to understand what’s it’s like to be transgender to accept transgender people as equal with attendant legal rights.

Many gay men have forgotten that being gay was classified as a mental illness until 1973.  Public opinion has evolved significantly re: gay rights in the last 50 years.  Transgender rights will the same as public opinion and legal rights evolve too.

This is a simple idea - you don’t need to understand someone else’s struggle or validate their identity for them to have the same rights as you do.  
All the confusion about this is usually related to one’s own confusion/vulnerability about identities, labels and the fear of uncertainty or the unknown.  It’s not an issue for those who are truly comfortable in their own skin because there is absolutely nothing to fear.

FYI - this has become a political issue in the US now because Americans are so easily manipulated.  Interesting to note that many indigenous groups & cultures have long had third-gendered (two-spirit) people and it’s accepted/celebrated with no big deal.  

[caramelsub]

I’m all about transgender rights, and being able to express yourself how you want. I think where people get a little concerned is with the gender affirming care for minors, like the medicines to block puberty, I’m not a healthcare professional so I don’t know the exact medical terms. And the top or bottom surgery, the later I’m not sure if it is even possible. All of this can be argued as causing harm to oneself or self mutilation. The other issue is transgender women on women’s sport teams. One could argue it is not fair for cisgender women. Add to that, the bathroom dilemma. Should transgenders be able to use any bathroom they want based on how they identify? Is that really safe for cisgender women? I don’t even know what the laws are for my state regarding that. Transgenders are definitely fighting a different battle than the gays are. Not to say we can’t support one another. But maybe it’s time for the LGB to distance themselves from the T.

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 minutes ago, caramelsub said:

I’m all about transgender rights, and being able to express yourself how you want. I think where people get a little concerned is with the gender affirming care for minors, like the medicines to block puberty, I’m not a healthcare professional so I don’t know the exact medical terms. And the top or bottom surgery, the later I’m not sure if it is even possible. All of this can be argued as causing harm to oneself or self mutilation. The other issue is transgender women on women’s sport teams. One could argue it is not fair for cisgender women. Add to that, the bathroom dilemma. Should transgenders be able to use any bathroom they want based on how they identify? Is that really safe for cisgender women? I don’t even know what the laws are for my state regarding that. Transgenders are definitely fighting a different battle than the gays are. Not to say we can’t support one another. But maybe it’s time for the LGB to distance themselves from the T.

How many cases of attacks by a transgender person in women's bathrooms have been reported? Ridiculous.

I do agree the sports situation is more complicated. That is the one point I can't entirely agree with the trans rights movement. We should have specific categories for FTM and MTF athletes aside from the traditional ones. 

[caramelsub]

6 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

How many cases of attacks by a transgender person in women's bathrooms have been reported? Ridiculous.

I agree that the likelihood a straight man would dress up like a woman to prey on women is ridiculous. Though I’m sure others would disagree. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

4 hours ago, caramelsub said:

I agree that the likelihood a straight man would dress up like a woman to prey on women is ridiculous. Though I’m sure others would disagree. 

if you agree, perhaps you should avoid spreading transphobic tropes.