Do you think current controversies with the transgender movement are making being gay more socially acceptable?

[Guest]

12 hours ago, ButchAtl said:

I'm happy that its easier these days for eyeryone to "be who they are" etc., but I really donlt understand the seemingly sudden explosion  of the number of transgender people.  I'm sure they have always been among the population, but now it seems as if there are so much more prevalent and  visible.  At least the media seemd to give a lot of coverage to the issue.

Or perhaps society is just more tolerant and  the transgender people feel free to become known? 

Well, that, and I suspect in big part it's that as the issue is spoken about more, more trans people understand that there are many people like them. They can also communicate with each other more, for example on social media, including Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube. People can identify with successful, happy fellow trans community members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=femJwG9Pz34

[marylander1940]

On 11/23/2022 at 6:53 PM, caramelsub said:

I feel like it is. When I was growing up as a 90s/early 2000s kid I felt like people thought being gay was the most taboo thing in the world. Kids especially boys, in middle and high school would call each other gay as an insult. I don’t know if kids these days still do that. And now we have the transgender movement, which has overshadowed the gay rights movement and has become the new taboo topic of recent years. I think the fight for transgender rights is in turn, making being gay more socially acceptable. I hear many people who are anti-trans state things like they “should just be gay”, or “they can be gay.” I don’t think being gay would ever be as socially acceptable as being straight, but I think we are moving in the right direction.

Without a doubt!

We're no longer at the bottom of the social pyramid where we were for decades even after anal sex was legalized by the SCJ in all states.  

Even on here some want to brag about transgenders as inferior to them as if that was a way for them to feel better as gay men. Sad but true!

[marylander1940]

On 12/4/2022 at 2:16 PM, arnemgreeves said:

I recall milo yiannolpoluus was he was big continually trashing trans people. His views sadly are not unheard of amongst gay people. But he’s apparently not gay anymore, from what I hear. 

That guy is a bully among bullies, I'm sure he has a lot of issues and insecurities.

[+ Pensant]

5 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

That guy is a bully among bullies, I'm sure he has a lot of issues and insecurities.

I read that he and his boyfriend are living on MTG’s property in Dalton GA

[marylander1940]

If transgenders (passable or not) have rights we have rights, if they lose their rights we'll be next and to most evangelicals we're all the same and there's no difference between truly bi, homosexual, transgender, drag queen, etc. 

[samhexum]

 

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I think a lot of formerly-latent intolerance, hatred, and bigotry are being stirred up.  That can't be good.

Edited May 29, 2023 by samhexum
because he's bored as hell

[pubic_assistance]

"Grooming" is still considered dangerous no matter how much a person has adopted a live and let love attitude toward gays.

"Acceptance" in the United States is mostly a matter of "It's ok what you do in your PRIVATE life but I DON'T want to confront it myself

[marylander1940]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

"Grooming" is still considered dangerous no matter how much a person has adopted a live and let love attitude toward gays.

"Acceptance" in the United States is mostly a matter of "It's ok what you do in your PRIVATE life but I DON'T want to confront it myself

"Grooming" implies that we advertise and promote our lifestyle in order to turn other people gay, and that's not true.

Despite all the advertising about being straight some of us are gay.

 

[pubic_assistance]

10 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

"Grooming" implies that we advertise and promote our lifestyle in order to turn other people gay, and that's not true.

It's also not false.

Sexual predators FREQUENTLY groom children. Some of them are looking for same-sex diddling.

Prove me wrong.

Edited May 29, 2023 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[Guest]

55 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

"Grooming" implies that we advertise and promote our lifestyle in order to turn other people gay, and that's not true.

Despite all the advertising about being straight some of us are gay.

The type of grooming I dislike is when young children are told preposterous stories about men living in the stomachs of whales, a ship holding 2 of every animal, and the world being created in 6 days. Why else would an adult believe that crap?

I'd much have children "groomed" to be kind and accepting than to have them be racist, etc. This is obviously totally different from a child molester grooming a child to be a victim. No one is going to become trans when they're not. Imagine the struggle involved in transitioning. It's a matter of being inclusive.

Edited May 29, 2023 by Unicorn

[pubic_assistance]

36 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

The type of grooming I dislike is when young children are told preposterous stories about men living in the stomachs of whales, a ship holding 2 of every animal, and the world being created in 6 days. Why else would an adult believe that crap?

They are also told about bunnies delivering eggs and candy and an old man with a white beard bringing toys. Children tend to like stories of magical entities bringing gifts.  "Rub my dick and I will buy you a toy".

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

They are also told about bunnies delivering eggs and candy and an old man with a white beard bringing toys. Children tend to like stories of magical entities bringing gifts.  "Rub my dick and I will buy you a toy".

Holy molly. You actually went there! 😱 Comparing wearing a onesie saying "Just be you and feel the love," to a pervert telling a kid to fondle his genitals? Wow. That's pretty messed up. And children are eventually told the truth about the Easter bunny or Santa Claus lies (or they're smart enough to figure it out themselves). Some adults still believe the crap about a man living in a whale or big fish's stomach.

[+ augustus]

The vast majority of people are just be and let be.  Some of these "social controversies" are outrageous and are not making "gay being more socially acceptable".  Teaching K-3 kids that perhaps you were born in the wrong body or that we should build hundreds of thousands of bathrooms to accommodate the trans people is just so ridiculous.  The backlash is enormous and plays right into the hands of the evangelicals and radical right. 

[+ tassojunior]

On 11/24/2022 at 11:54 AM, Coolwave35 said:

I think there are varying levels to the bigotry in someone’s mind that has a tough time accepting non hetero normative concepts. 
 

I come from an extremely bigoted family. Oddly, it isn’t rooted in religion, they just really believe that straight white people are superior and anyone with melanin in their skin is less than. 
 

My cousins and I, along with one of my 3 brothers openly talk about this and have committed to being better for the next generation of our family. 2 brothers can’t break the cycle but one suffers from sever alcoholism and will be dead soon so we take the victories where we can get them. 
 

Anyway, back in 2002 my lone female cousin fell for a black man. He was lovely and I enjoyed him a lot. We decided as a team, she’d come out to the family as being in an interracial relationship and I’d come out as gay, surmising that if we were shunned we’d at least have each other, and best case, the combined reality of our “evolution” would force all of our parents into acceptance. 
 

It didn’t go as planned. On the scale of things that were unacceptable in our family, we quickly learned that our family was far more racist than homophobic. She got decimated. Every conversation went something like “yeah yeah yeah we get it you’re gay, but did you hear she’s dating a black man?”  Being gay, as long as I was not with another race was ok in their eyes. Her dating a black man was loathsome and unforgivable. I felt awful for her and such compassion. For a time she thought my intentions weren’t pure and that I somehow anticipated this reaction and used her to shield myself. I didn’t. I was as amazed at the acceptance I got as much as I was amazed at just how awful she got it.  In hindsight, I do believe that if I came out without her distraction, my reception would have been similar to hers though.
 

I think peoples’ reaction to the transgender movement is similar. “I am getting more used to gay people existing and I’m ok with that, but I’m not quite ready to learn, understand and accept the gender conversation yet.”  
 

At least that’s my experience. I even have gay friends that are transphobic. I have straight Allie’s that are wildly supportive of me as a gay man but don’t grasp trans and openly rail against it. It’s so odd to me, but it’s real. 
 

 

hun, you're not the first gay man who has "come out" to a reaction of " you really think this is news?" from family. usually the bigger shock is to you when they say "we've known since you were 8". 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, augustus said:

The vast majority of people are just be and let be...

I'm not sure where you get your statistics, but some aren't:

 

[pubic_assistance]

35 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Some adults still believe the crap about a man living in a whale or big fish's stomach.

Some adults believe that they were abducted by UFO's.

I think most educated people understand that religious narratives are allegory.

Just that most people aren't very well educated.

[pubic_assistance]

11 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

28 minutes ago, augustus said:

The vast majority of people are just be and let be...

I'm not sure where you get your statistics, but some aren't:

There's a difference between "most" and "some". 

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[+ augustus]

1 minute ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a difference between "most" and "some". 

Agreed.  Of course, gay bashing still exists but the hatred against homosexuals has diminished greatly over the years.

[+ tassojunior]

It was significant when Ass't Secretary of Health Levine was appointed for her progressive views after serving as head medical officer for Pennsylvania.

It was more significant when she was hidden away and never given public appearances because "they" don't want to be "too" associated with "those types". It's trendy to be linked with cool, hip trends of acceptance. To a point. And when it becomes untrendy look out ! You better stay in fashion. And fashion changes fast. 

[pubic_assistance]

13 minutes ago, augustus said:

gay bashing still exists but the hatred against homosexuals has diminished greatly over the years.

Where I grew up in Central PA, "gay bashing" was pretty common. Therefore I never had the nerve to even TRY to hook up with a dude, let alone tell anyone that I had same sex attraction.

NOW, there are multiple bed and breakfast venues hosted by gay couples who live openly in these same communities.

Things like bigotry get better over time, they don't just "go away". Pushing these issue down people's throat ALWAYS makes it worse, not better. People need TIME to adapt to changes in what is accetable social normatives. The issue here is about the excessive speed in which some social justice groups, move. It's freaking out mainstream people, and getting the REVERSE effect they are expecting.

Edited May 29, 2023 by pubic_assistance
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[Guest]

19 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

There's a difference between "most" and "some". ..

Obviously depends on the country. In most of Africa, Muslim countries, and Russia,  it's most. Not a majority in most of the West, but it doesn't take a huge percentage for there to be gay bashing victims. Just enough silence. Obviously worse in Russia where gay bashings are encouraged.

  

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Unicorn

[pubic_assistance]

3 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

In most of Africa, Muslim countries, and Russia,  it's most.

Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm pretty confident that there isn't much of a transgender rights movement in Africa, Russia or any of the Muslim nations, that it would be affecting their miniscule gay rights agenda.

[Xavitv]

25 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm pretty confident that there isn't much of a transgender rights movement in Africa, Russia or any of the Muslim nations, that it would be affecting their miniscule gay rights agenda.

Obviously not an expert. LGBT folks in many of those nations have been prosecuted and criminalized just for existing, which is why you don’t see groups pushing for their basic rights agenda. 

[+ tassojunior]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

Obviously depends on the country. In most of Africa, Muslim countries, and Russia,  it's most. Not a majority in most of the West, but it doesn't take a huge percentage for there to be gay bashing victims. Just enough silence.

Your pro-war, pro-hate, pro-death government  indoctrination of convenience is showing. There are many more Russian gay men on Chaterbate than any other country, there are more escorts in and from Russia than any other country (except maybe Czech and Brazil) and frankly, they're the best-looking men to many of us. Yes, Russia is a socially-conservative country as all Slavic countries are. But gays are pretty open and tolerated. Certainly better than most countries.

It's a shame the US regime and EU are sending so many tens of thousands of gay Russians who fled here from being drafted into the Russian army back now to be put on the front lines. Severe hate must be encouraged to get people to kill. We did this to the Germans and the Japanese and Vietnamese. Dachshunds were killed in public here. Chekhov, Tchaikovsky and Tolstoy are already banned. Are we killing Siberian Huskies next? 

It's a perfect example for a thread on hate on how truly evil regimes encourage and use hate to further their ends. When it's opportune for the ruling class to get gays hated, we will be. Scapegoats are often needed and we're a natural for when the US regime needs one. Hate is never good and don't be propagandized into it. It's the only way to defeat hate. The other group being the current scapegoat is not good news.

Edited May 29, 2023 by tassojunior

[samhexum]

34 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Obviously depends on the country. In most of Africa, Muslim countries, and Russia,  it's most. Not a majority in most of the West, but it doesn't take a huge percentage for there to be gay bashing victims. Just enough silence. Obviously worse in Russia where gay bashings are encouraged.  

 

 

29 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Not saying I'm an expert, but I'm pretty confident that there isn't much of a transgender rights movement in Africa, Russia or any of the Muslim nations, that it would be affecting their miniscule gay rights agenda.

 

2 minutes ago, Xavitv said:

Obviously not an expert. LGBT folks in many of those nations have been prosecuted and criminalized just for existing, which is why you don’t see groups pushing for their basic rights agenda. 

The New York Times

Ugandan President Signs Anti-Gay Law That Includes Life in Prison as Penalty

 

CNN

Ugandan president signs one of the world’s harshest anti-LGBTQ bills into law

 

I guess I should reconsider retiring in Uganda.