US Department of Homeland Security is monitoring Rentmen for out of country visitors into US

[Jostar]

I seen a regular provider from Europe that comes to America every year. He told me that the airport had him in a room for over two hours. Asking questions if his profile from RM was him. Told them that someone is using him Instagram. And that not him. Luckily they allow him to stay for only one month. Who knows if he be lucky next year 

[+ purplekow]

If you are not here on a work Visa, and you earn money here, you are breaking the law.   I think sex workers are probably a target more so as to the nature of their work but any work would be subject to this.  Probably best to advertise with a face picture, to only give out set travel plans to those with whom you have an appointment and then advertise with a burner phone in the cities where you are traveling once you are here in the US.  

[+ DrownedBoy]

There has got to be some privacy law being violated here.

EDIT: By allowing facial recognition based on the open internet to trigger a law enforcement check.

Edited November 17, 2022 by DrownedBoy

[Guest]

4 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

There has got to be some privacy law being violated here.

EDIT: By allowing facial recognition based on the open internet to trigger a law enforcement check.

I don't agree with what's being done. That being said, I'm guessing that if someone advertises plans to break the law on the internet, that this could be interpreted as probable cause. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, so someone more knowledgeable on the law might correct me. 

[coriolis888]

4 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

There has got to be some privacy law being violated here.

EDIT: By allowing facial recognition based on the open internet to trigger a law enforcement check.

With all due respect, why is there "some privacy law being violated" because facial recognition is used by DHS and many other companies?

I travel a lot.  I am at an airport several time each month. 

On my last twelve flights I did not have to show my boarding pass just before entering the aircraft from the U.S. side. 

At the boarding area are signs telling you to lower any mask and look at the camera as you pass it.  

The first time this happened with me, I felt uncomfortable thinking that my return flight would be canceled because I did not have my boarding pass scanned when I entered the aircraft.  The records could look as though I were a "no show" for my outgoing flight.  

There was no problem with my return flight.

Technology has changed and advanced to a degree that many cannot fathom. 

I do not see how privacy is being violated when the government has almost every adult photo in its data base.

Even photos from driver licenses are in many of the U.S. data bases. 

Privacy is a word from history.  We have little privacy left, if any.  

With regard to the guys from foreign countries who come to the U.S. and also have their face photo on a rentmen.eu advertisement, those guys should somehow get word out to each other to omit any face photo if they plan to visit the U.S.

Words to the wise!

 

[Alex93108]

It somewhat baffles me and and amazes me at the same time that I can ( at most US points of entry) just walk into the United States  with  just my face, at the machine.  Walk up to the machine, have the machine take my photo, walk though ( assuming the words "See officer" doesn't appear) .  Pre-covid, the machines would spit out a receipt that doesn't even happen anymore. No passport needed. Takes 1 minute, maybe 2 at most, almost no wait, Walk though.  

This is a privilege I don't take for granted.  Most foreigners have to wait in line etc. Sometimes up to an hour.

At Heathrow specifically where I frequent  you do need to put your passport down on scanner, and depending on the terminal , the machines sometimes don't work - Terminal 3 ( which is used by Delta and Virgin) have the lower quality machines which tend to break down.  The machines take your photo. It's the same everywhere, in Dubai, Korea, Hong Kong , etc.  Brazil still has a photo from 13+ years ago when I first entered, it shows up on the screen ( this usually involves a chat with the officer about how I aged a little). 

This is basically a fait accompli - the horse left the barn on this one.  It's 2022 - my photo is everywhere I have been, both old and new. Nothing I can do about it.  Everyone does this now.

They key is : Understand the rules and follow them. ( and you should be fine) 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 17, 2022 by jetlow

[Vulgarii]

16 hours ago, KensingtonHomo said:

DHS should be abolished as should all borders. These imaginary lines, often created by colonizing powers, harm human beings but let international capital fly freely. 

 

All cultures colonize, just some didn't have the weapons and ships yet, and I want my borders safe and protected especially from those that want to execute me for being gay, and jail, physically punish, and/or execute gays in their countries.

[+ Pensant]

11 hours ago, purplekow said:

If you are not here on a work Visa, and you earn money here, you are breaking the law.  

As do millions every day here.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

5 hours ago, Vulgarii said:

 

All cultures colonize, just some didn't have the weapons and ships yet, and I want my borders safe and protected especially from those that want to execute me for being gay, and jail, physically punish, and/or execute gays in their countries.

That's not true. The Irish have never colonized anyone. And there are plenty of Americans who would hang us for being queer. 

[CuriousByNature]

33 minutes ago, KensingtonHomo said:

That's not true. The Irish have never colonized anyone. And there are plenty of Americans who would hang us for being queer. 

The Celts displaced the original inhabitants of Ireland around 2000 years ago.  The original settlers or colonizers had been there several thousand years already.  In the early Middle Ages the Irish colonized much of northwest Scotland, destroying the culture and language of the Picts.

[RadioRob]

Let’s stay on topic please. 

[+ TooSchoolForCool]

The government is not monitoring rentmen or rentmasseur.  They will pull you out if you look suspicious or if you are traveling frequently in and out of the US.  They WILL go through your phone and your photos and look at your mobile Apps.  If you are a service provider and don't delete all of that before you enter the US, you will get busted.  

[ChasingGirth]

Come on guys it has nothing to do about paying taxes or not. The face recognition tool has been put in place to protect us. We are the number one target in the planet for terrorists. It has been created to prevent attacks against our country. If a bad guy travels in we want him stopped. In statistics someone breaking the law at some levels is likely to break the law again and again. 

Now most of « our guys » that travel to our country are sweet guys but they are still working illegally, doing prostitution and let’s face it, for most of them doing some sort of drugs. 

So when you see it like that it doesn’t look so innocent. 

Would you go to any European countries, knowing that you are going to work illegally and break the law? 

Personally I wouldn’t and I’m sure most of us wouldn’t. 

if you plan on taking risks, weight the pros and cons and act accordingly to protect yourself from being caught, that’s all. 

[+ Lucky]

Yes, terrorists want to take away our freedoms. Instead, we let the government do it under the guise of fighting terrorism. Privacy is dead.

[coriolis888]

30 minutes ago, TooSchoolForCool said:

)1) The government is not monitoring rentmen or rentmasseur.  

 

(2) They will pull you out if you look suspicious or if you are traveling frequently in and out of the US. 

(3) They WILL go through your phone and your photos and look at your mobile Apps.  

 

If you are a service provider and don't delete all of that before you enter the US, you will get busted.  

(1) How do you know this?

(2) I travel frequently in and out of the U.S.  I do not get pulled out for special screening.  

(3) I never had my phone taken to be inspected despite my frequent traveling.  

I still think that providers who advertise on rentmen et cetera should not include face photos in their ads. 

Do you remember the former website "rentboy" and what happened to the site and the owner and some of the employees?  Please do not kid yourself.  There is no more privacy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/26/rentboycom-ceo-and-six-employees-arrested-on-prostitution-charges.html

[Winky]

If they fly non-stop to Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal, and then make the argument that they're not taking business away from locals, with testimonials from clients who prefer escorts with foreign accents... they should be allowed in!

[MikeBiDude]

4 minutes ago, Winky said:

fly non-stop to Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal

Actually it’s NOT legal in Clark County:

Prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas and throughout Clark County. Nevada Revised Statute 201.354 does permit licensed brothel prostitution in the 10 counties with populations of less than 700,000 such as Nye County, which includes Pahrump – an hour's drive from Las Vegas.

[RadioRob]

Yup...  it's always been illegal in the city, but the last time I was in Vegas, you wouldn't know it the way they were handing out cards. But it's been a few years since I've been back on the strip.  I actually need to make a trip back that way.  

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

18 minutes ago, Winky said:

If they fly non-stop to Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal, and then make the argument that they're not taking business away from locals, with testimonials from clients who prefer escorts with foreign accents... they should be allowed in!

Fact check: prostitution is illegal in Las Vegas, as well as Reno.  They'd have to fly in to some smaller Nevada town like Elko to make that argument, but there are no international flights to those smaller communities where prostitution is legal, and then there's still the issue of needing a US work visa.

[+ TooSchoolForCool]

31 minutes ago, coriolis888 said:

(1) How do you know this?

(2) I travel frequently in and out of the U.S.  I do not get pulled out for special screening.  

(3) I never had my phone taken to be inspected despite my frequent traveling.  

I still think that providers who advertise on rentmen et cetera should not include face photos in their ads. 

Do you remember the former website "rentboy" and what happened to the site and the owner and some of the employees?  Please do not kid yourself.  There is no more privacy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/26/rentboycom-ceo-and-six-employees-arrested-on-prostitution-charges.html

I know this because I "dated" a service provider who lived in Canada and he had this issue every time he came to the US.

Also, the rentboy site was in the US. Rentmasseur and Rentmen are offshore and the US has no jurisdiction.

Edited November 17, 2022 by TooSchoolForCool

[coriolis888]

8 minutes ago, TooSchoolForCool said:

I know this because I "dated" a service provider who lived in Canada and he has this issue every time he comes to the US.

If he is stopped each time he crosses the U.S. border and is still allowed to enter the U.S., then the reason for his being stopped is related to some other matter; not because he has an advertisement for being a provider.  

Many people are stopped for seemingly silly reasons.  

If he has no police record, he can apply for the equivalent to the U.S. "Global Entry" (Nexus) and would avoid being stopped each time he enters.  

Edited November 17, 2022 by coriolis888
spelling error

[+ TooSchoolForCool]

1 minute ago, coriolis888 said:

If he is stopped each time he crosses the U.S. border and is still allowed to enter the U.S., then the reason for his being stopped is related to some other matter; not because he has an advertisement for being a provider.  

Many people are stopped for seemingly silly reasons.  

If he has no police record, he can apply to the equivalent to the U.S. "Global Entry" (Nexus) and would avoid being stopped each time he enters.  

Ok.  Believe what you want. You win!  But my advice to all the hot, young, muscle-y service providers would be to delete all your dick pics and Rent.men App and leave the Louis Vuitton at home.  Peace out!

[coriolis888]

2 minutes ago, TooSchoolForCool said:

Ok.  Believe what you want. You win!  But my advice to all the hot, young, muscle-y service providers would be to delete all your dick pics and Rent.men App and leave the Louis Vuitton at home.  Peace out!

Your recommendation is an "over-kill" - 

Your recommendation for providers to delete all "dick pics" from an ad is quite an over-kill. 

Facial recognition, fortunately, does not (yet) include photos of a person's penis (soft or hard).  Therefore, the only item to omit from an ad is the face photo. 

I hope you and your Canadian friend are still having a pleasant visit when he comes to the U.S. 

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Winky said:

If they fly non-stop to Las Vegas, where prostitution is legal, and then make the argument that they're not taking business away from locals, with testimonials from clients who prefer escorts with foreign accents... they should be allowed in!

Whether prostitution is legal in a given community is irrelevant. It's still illegal to work in the US on a tourist visa, regardless of whether you're swallowing the sausage or picking apples from the trees. Even if you were on a business visa, it's also illegal to work without reporting the income to the IRS. Simply escorting someone is not illegal. The illegal part is the remuneration without the proper authorization. 

[+ augustus]

18 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

There has got to be some privacy law being violated here.

EDIT: By allowing facial recognition based on the open internet to trigger a law enforcement check.

Probably not, since the photos are on the web and opensource information.

Edited November 17, 2022 by augustus