US Department of Homeland Security is monitoring Rentmen for out of country visitors into US

[Guest]

3 hours ago, ChasingGirth said:

Yes I’m talking about the state of NY. I assume that the people that are reading this saw my initial post. I posted initially this because I was accused by another member of doing something illegal for hiring escorts. I am not. 

What people keep trying to tell you, unsuccessfully apparently, is that prostitution is NOT legal in the state of New York. The fact that loitering for the purposes of prostitution is no longer a separate crime, or that the DA for one tiny county in the state (the county of New York, representing the island of Manhattan) won't prosecute prostitution cases doesn't change the legal status of prostitution in the state of New York. The only thing that's changed is that if you live in Manhattan and hire a prostitute from Manhattan, you don't have to worry about being charged with the crime. Period. That being said, the federal government's concern in this matter, from an immigration perspective, is that it will not tolerate someone earning money in the US if they come in on a tourist visa or visa waiver. They are simply clamping down on the violation of immigration law. 

[ChasingGirth]

3 hours ago, Unicorn said:

What people keep trying to tell you, unsuccessfully apparently, is that prostitution is NOT legal in the state of New York. The fact that loitering for the purposes of prostitution is no longer a separate crime, or that the DA for one tiny county in the state (the county of New York, representing the island of Manhattan) won't prosecute prostitution cases doesn't change the legal status of prostitution in the state of New York. The only thing that's changed is that if you live in Manhattan and hire a prostitute from Manhattan, you don't have to worry about being charged with the crime. Period. That being said, the federal government's concern in this matter, from an immigration perspective, is that it will not tolerate someone earning money in the US if they come in on a tourist visa or visa waiver. They are simply clamping down on the violation of immigration law. 

We can go on and on. Under the umbrella of « Prostitution » falls « Sex Trafficking and many other bad things » therefore Prostitution will never be legal. 

You should go back and read what I was responding to when I posted about the bill. 
 

and what you just wrote about the guys coming in getting turned back because DHS found out they were high risk of working illegally. I already did a post on that. So I totally get the whole story. 

[LookingAround]

10 hours ago, ChasingGirth said:

Yes I’m talking about the state of NY. I assume that the people that are reading this saw my initial post. I posted initially this because I was accused by another member of doing something illegal for hiring escorts. I am not. 

Yes you are. You just won’t be prosecuted for it. 

[+ WilliamM]

7 hours ago, Unicorn said:

What people keep trying to tell you, unsuccessfully apparently, is that prostitution is NOT legal in the state of New York. The fact that loitering for the purposes of prostitution is no longer a separate crime, or that the DA for one tiny county in the state (the county of New York, representing the island of Manhattan) won't prosecute prostitution cases doesn't change the legal status of prostitution in the state of New York. The only thing that's changed is that if you live in Manhattan and hire a prostitute from Manhattan, you don't have to worry about being charged with the crime. Period. That being said, the federal government's concern in this matter, from an immigration perspective, is that it will not tolerate someone earning money in the US if they come in on a tourist visa or visa waiver. They are simply clamping down on the violation of immigration law. 

Wow, who knew!!

[+ jeezopete]

22 hours ago, RadioRob said:

Yup...  it's always been illegal in the city, but the last time I was in Vegas, you wouldn't know it the way they were handing out cards.

Is it primarily cards for females, or do males advertise that way too?

[RadioRob]

10 minutes ago, jeezopete said:

Is it primarily cards for females, or do males advertise that way too?

The cards being passed out were for females typically.  

[pubic_assistance]

Unfortunately ALL examples of prostitution mixed with travel are currently being viewed as examples of "human trafficking" by the US Government whether or not the State you plan to practice in has other viewpoints toward the profession.

[+ Italiano]

On 11/18/2022 at 3:25 AM, Unicorn said:

What people keep trying to tell you, unsuccessfully apparently, is that prostitution is NOT legal in the state of New York. The fact that loitering for the purposes of prostitution is no longer a separate crime, or that the DA for one tiny county in the state (the county of New York, representing the island of Manhattan) won't prosecute prostitution cases doesn't change the legal status of prostitution in the state of New York. The only thing that's changed is that if you live in Manhattan and hire a prostitute from Manhattan, you don't have to worry about being charged with the crime. Period. That being said, the federal government's concern in this matter, from an immigration perspective, is that it will not tolerate someone earning money in the US if they come in on a tourist visa or visa waiver. They are simply clamping down on the violation of immigration law. 

I assume it's the same thing also if you live in another of the 4 remaining NYC boroughs?....

Edited November 19, 2022 by Italiano

[LookingAround]

1 hour ago, Italiano said:

I assume it's the same thing also if you live in another of the 4 remaining NYC boroughs?....

Yes

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8 hours ago, Italiano said:

I assume it's the same thing also if you live in another of the 4 remaining NYC boroughs?....

I wouldn't assume that without evidence. Also, I don't know about how things work in the state of New York, but in California, even if the (county) DA refuses to prosecute a crime, the city attorney can prosecute misdemeanors, and the (state) Attorney General can always prosecute felonies. I remember that when some dude attacked a comedian on stage in LA last year, our pro-criminal DA Gascon refused to file felony charges, but the city attorney did charge the assailant with misdemeanor charges. Prostitution is a misdemeanor in NY. 

Edited November 19, 2022 by Unicorn

[pubic_assistance]

29 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Prostitution is a misdemeanor in NY. 

If you compare NYC's history of "decriminalizing" vice.. you'll find that the laws can still be applied. Just because they don't "go after you" doesn't mean they can't prosecute when they "just happens to bump into you" breaking the law .

[TruHart1]

On 11/16/2022 at 11:44 AM, Unicorn said:

I'm wondering if other posters have heard of other escorts getting caught for not reporting income. More than once, I've recommended to escorts I hire to report at least half of their income. 

A great escort favorite of mine, Armann, who visited regularly from Mexico, notified me by email during the height of the pandemic in late 2020 that he would be available in a few weeks. Because of the pandemic, I apologized but expressed that even though I’d love to see him again, I felt compelled to wait until the pandemic was over to feel safe hiring again.

A few weeks later I received an email from him telling me about his week from hell. They not only confiscated his phone and laptop at the U.S. border, and forced him to share his passwords, but put him into a “holding” cell where he was held for over a week until he was finally able to hire a lawyer and, in addition, pay an exorbitant fee for his “release” back to Mexico, with the possibility of applying for a new visa in maybe five years!

 I lost touch with Armann after that, and haven’t communicated with him since. Yes, it all happened because he was working on a tourist visa, but it seemed like an extremely harsh punishment imprisoning him for a week until he was able to hire a lawyer and pay an exorbitant fee to be sent back to Mexico!

 I miss spending time with Armann. He always went above and beyond whenever we got together!!!

Edited November 19, 2022 by TruHart1

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2 hours ago, TruHart1 said:

.... I lost touch with Armann after that, and haven’t communicated with him since...

I hope you still try to stay in contact, even if you don't plan on hiring him. I've stayed friends with some of my hires south of the border, even though I don't ever plan to hire them again. My partner and I are going to PV for a week in mid-December, and I offered to pay a young Mexican surgeon (currently in his residency) to meet us if he'd like, though he said he couldn't. The three of us might still go on a road trip through central Mexico some day. Who knows? Maybe one day he can recommend a good surgeon if we need one. 

[+ Italiano]

14 hours ago, Unicorn said:

I wouldn't assume that without evidence. Also, I don't know about how things work in the state of New York, but in California, even if the (county) DA refuses to prosecute a crime, the city attorney can prosecute misdemeanors, and the (state) Attorney General can always prosecute felonies. I remember that when some dude attacked a comedian on stage in LA last year, our pro-criminal DA Gascon refused to file felony charges, but the city attorney did charge the assailant with misdemeanor charges. Prostitution is a misdemeanor in NY. 

I see. I was questioning the fact that you were referring only to the Island of Manhattan. Because (as for sure you know) NYC has 5 boroughs (and 5 Counties, even if with mostly different names from the name of the boroughs) I was wandering if a person resident in Brooklyn (County of Kings) and another resident in Manhattan (County of NY) hire a prostitute in Manhattan are they subject to different treatment?...

[+ Italiano]

12 hours ago, TruHart1 said:

A great escort favorite of mine, Armann, who visited regularly from Mexico, notified me by email during the height of the pandemic in late 2020 that he would be available in a few weeks. Because of the pandemic, I apologized but expressed that even though I’d love to see him again, I felt compelled to wait until the pandemic was over to feel safe hiring again.

A few weeks later I received an email from him telling me about his week from hell. They not only confiscated his phone and laptop at the U.S. border, and forced him to share his passwords, but put him into a “holding” cell where he was held for over a week until he was finally able to hire a lawyer and, in addition, pay an exorbitant fee for his “release” back to Mexico, with the possibility of applying for a new visa in maybe five years!

 I lost touch with Armann after that, and haven’t communicated with him since. Yes, it all happened because he was working on a tourist visa, but it seemed like an extremely harsh punishment imprisoning him for a week until he was able to hire a lawyer and pay an exorbitant fee to be sent back to Mexico!

 I miss spending time with Armann. He always went above and beyond whenever we got together!!!

Beautiful man! Where is Armann based in Mexico?

[LookingAround]

6 hours ago, Italiano said:

I see. I was questioning the fact that you were referring only to the Island of Manhattan. Because (as for sure you know) NYC has 5 boroughs (and 5 Counties, even if with mostly different names from the name of the boroughs) I was wandering if a person resident in Brooklyn (County of Kings) and another resident in Manhattan (County of NY) hire a prostitute in Manhattan are they subject to different treatment?...

It all relates to New York City. Nothing is borough specific. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by LookingAround

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11 hours ago, Italiano said:

I see. I was questioning the fact that you were referring only to the Island of Manhattan. Because (as for sure you know) NYC has 5 boroughs (and 5 Counties, even if with mostly different names from the name of the boroughs) I was wandering if a person resident in Brooklyn (County of Kings) and another resident in Manhattan (County of NY) hire a prostitute in Manhattan are they subject to different treatment?...

The only thing I read is that the NY County DA won't prosecute prostitution charges. Each DA makes his own decisions, so I would definitely not assume that if you bring someone to Brooklyn, that you'd be safe from prosecution. Men who are well-vetted online (reviews, for example) are probably safe. I don't leave hard evidence that I'm doing anything other than hiring an escort. For example, I wouldn't send a text or e-mail saying "Can I top you for $250?". Even phone conversations can be recorded in sting operations, although in that case the escort would probably be a cop, so be wary of any fresh meat. It's safer to say "I like to top," than something specific like "Will you bottom for $250?". For a prostitution case to stick, there has to be some evidence of a sexual act being proposed in exchange for a monetary amount, from what I understand (but I'm not a lawyer). 

[cany10011]

31 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

The only thing I read is that the NY County DA won't prosecute prostitution charges. Each DA makes his own decisions, so I would definitely not assume that if you bring someone to Brooklyn, that you'd be safe from prosecution. Men who are well-vetted online (reviews, for example) are probably safe. I don't leave hard evidence that I'm doing anything other than hiring an escort. For example, I wouldn't send a text or e-mail saying "Can I top you for $250?". Even phone conversations can be recorded in sting operations, although in that case the escort would probably be a cop, so be wary of any fresh meat. It's safer to say "I like to top," than something specific like "Will you bottom for $250?". For a prostitution case to stick, there has to be some evidence of a sexual act being proposed in exchange for a monetary amount, from what I understand (but I'm not a lawyer). 

Does exchange of $ need to occur for a conviction? Or is just talk or email sufficient? Because, I’m sure most of us have done that.

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by cany10011

[TruHart1]

12 hours ago, Italiano said:

Beautiful man! Where is Armann based in Mexico?

As I recall, Armann lived in the Yucatán, maybe Meriden, and he told me he often worked (a day job) at a resort in Cancun.

TruHart1 😎

[TruHart1]

22 hours ago, Unicorn said:

I hope you still try to stay in contact, even if you don't plan on hiring him. I've stayed friends with some of my hires south of the border, even though I don't ever plan to hire them again…

Armann’s birthday is coming up in two weeks, so I will send my best birthday wishes to the email address I have, even though he hasn’t communicated with me since his email about his week of hell in purgatory between being held in the U.S. and being deported back to Mexico!

TruHart1 😎

[CuriousByNature]

1 hour ago, cany10011 said:

Does exchange of $ need to occur for a conviction? Or is just talk or email sufficient? Because, I’m sure most of us have done that.

 

Not a lawyer here, but I think offering money or compensation for any sexual act is considered solicitation, and therefore is something that can be prosecuted regardless whether or not money changed hands.

[pubic_assistance]

18 minutes ago, CuriousByNature said:

Not a lawyer here, but I think offering money or compensation for any sexual act is considered solicitation, and therefore is something that can be prosecuted regardless whether or not money changed hands.

Which is why I keep cautioning people about posting comments about sex for money.

It's always: "I hired this guy (for his time or for a massage). Any discussion of sexual connection shouldn't be part of what you paid for. 

You can hire a plumber to fix your pipes and then have sex with the plumber after he did your pipes, but you can't hire the plumber to have sex with you and clean your pipes.

Edited November 21, 2022 by pubic_assistance

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2 hours ago, cany10011 said:

Does exchange of $ need to occur for a conviction? Or is just talk or email sufficient? Because, I’m sure most of us have done that.

 

Just soliciting is illegal, most places. Otherwise it would be difficult to prosecute; you'd have to have an undercover cop willing to start having sex!

[Vulgarii]

Oh well boohoo, I'm glad foreign guys can't come here and work on my turf, and if they want to they just have to be smart about it.