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Greetings folks... As you might have noticed, this site has been offline since around mid-day Tuesday. Our prior hosting provider decided that they are unable to continue hosting our website and had ended service to us. Unfortunately they did not provide any notification to me about this decision and I was forced to move the site to a new server without any sort of heads up. This includes arranging for the new hosting company, configuring the new server to meet the technical requirements, getting a copy of our current data, restoring that data (over 300GB of files), recovering the database (over 18.5 million records in that database taking up 11GB of space for the DB alone), and reconfiguring the software itself to run in the new environment. While migrating there was also some technical issues that I ran into that required me to coordinate with Invision's technical support team. So that back and forth added additional time to the mix as well. And to pile on further… all of this occurred while I'm traveling for my day job. So I've been doing this while in a hotel in between doing my day job on the road. There are most likely several other things that will need to be fixed still and I'm working through them. For example, email may only be partially working. I still need to setup things like SPF and DKIM for the new server so our emails don't flag as spam. There are other settings that might need to be redone to work in the new server as well that I'm not thinking about yet. (As you might have imagined, I've not had much sleep during this whole process.) But anyway... you get the idea. No... we're not going anywhere! This was a minor setback but we'll continue to move forward. Thank you all for your understanding and support! Rob

Gentlemen, The moderators could use your help. Many of the reports we receive deal with merging threads, usually about providers, and moving threads to the correct forum. Before posting a message or starting a new thread, please check to see if the topic is in the correct forum or thread. If it’s regarding a provider check that the topic is not already being discussed in a previous thread. Everyday we are merging threads and moving them from the Deli to the Spa or to Questions. Remember, each forum has a brief description of what topics it covers. If you are reporting a thread that needs to be merged, always include a link to the other thread. Also, always include a reason for submitting your report. Thanks to all members who follow these guidelines and contact us when action is required.

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I recently retired and soon after my move to Palm Springs, I started going to the gym each day. My intention was just to improve my level of fitness and, as the gym is one which caters to a very high percentage of gay middle aged men, to ogle those men who have not been remiss in going to the gym. The gym has many very muscular men and lots of fit men of all ages. Going to the gym has been much easier as I know that there will be all kinds of eye candy there. The people have been extraordinarily supportive of a fat old man doing walking laps. I have receieved unsolicited encouragement from dozens of people at the gym and it has made this transition to a healthier lifestyle much easier. On the first day, I walked a mile and when I was done, one of the trainers came to speak to me and encourage me to keep at it. Several days later, I saw him again and I asked to speak to him about an eventual training session. He asked me what my goals were at the gym and I told him that my immediate goal was to be able to get up off the floor unassisted. He said that he likes people with realistic goals and there should be no trouble reaching this milestone. He left, I sat for a bit taking in the view and then went to rise from the chair only to have the leg twist and buckle and I landed on the floor. After the inital shock of being on the floor wore off, I looked around and no one was coming to give me assistance and so I need to get myself up. I eventually succeeded just as some men noticed me and came to assist. They were fairly hot looking and I was tempted to throw myself down to the floor just so they would help me up. Instead, I thought, well my first goal was accomplished so time to set a new one. My follow up goal had to do with activities at the gyn and my personal appearance. As a fat men over 60, it had been awhile since I had seen my penis without the use of a mirror and some belly shuffling. So my goal became to see my penis. Only two methods came to mind, lose substantial gut or get a bigger penis. I would have preferred the getter a bigger penis option, but that did not seem viable, so I opted for the lose some of the gut al.ternative. Two month later, my walking sessions have stretched to almost an hour and I have increased my distance by 2.5 times the original. Clothes are looser and energy is higher and yesterday was the day the second goal was accomplished. There, while looking down at my feet, was an old friend I had not seen for years. He looked good but a bit less robust than I remembered him. Still, I was happy to see him and soon afterward he appeared to be happy to see me. So now that I have reached my second plateau, do any of you have any suggestions as to what the third goal should be? I intend to continue going to the gym, even through the summer inferno of Palm Springs but a fun and achievable goal makes the whole process easier. I will be adding some light weight training to my regimen. I have considered that a pec bounce might be the next goal but I am open to suggestions.

It’s really helpful if the provider’s city, as well as his name, is posted in the title. “Dick in Des Moines” “Boner Boy in Berlin” Thanks all!

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I only pay escorts to talk about things like NY vs Chicago pizza, conspiracy theories and geology. They insist on having sex with me afterwards for free. Who am I to turn them down? 🤷‍♂️

Listen I love this group, you guys are amazing, but please do not share my PRIVATE MESSAGES with masseurs you meet. A few months ago, I met a regular client who said to me "did you post something on this forum that was negative?" I said what are you talking about. He said he met a client who SHOWED HIM MY RESPONSE to a message about his work. I was shocked. I said " don't have clue and if it was negative then why am I here?" Please be careful with what is shared here. Private messages should remain so. No mad just concerned. Terp

Glad you’re back. Thanks for your hard work in keeping this valuable forum alive!

We’ve all seen it happen: A benign thread on this site that gets derailed by haughty and venomous users who seemingly delight in belittling and bullying others. Sometimes their comments reflect an inability, or maybe an unwillingness, to accept that others simply disagree with them. Perhaps more disturbing are the times when their spite and snark emerge with no clear provocation, leaving the rest of us to wonder whether participating on this site is worth the hassle. Either way, this mean girl dynamic — the bullying of fellow users into submission and silence — is difficult to avoid on Company of Men, and it undermines this site as a space where all of us can convene and connect. Outside of reporting such behavior to site administrators — an imperfect response that raises its own set of challenges — I see no clear path toward curbing this dynamic on CoM. (If others have suggestions, feel free to share.) I am naming it here for the benefit of others who, like me, are troubled by the mean-spiritedness of some of our fellow site members. You are not crazy; some of our peers on CoM are terribly unkind, and their petty and spiteful communication styles can make it difficult to spend time here. And sure, this is not unique to CoM. Aggressive and malicious comments from others pervade practically every online domain imaginable. But I find the mean girl dynamic on CoM particularly disheartening because of the purpose of this site. As a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd, and who engages in the type of encounters discussed on this site, I don’t have many people that I can talk to about my specific “extracurricular activities.” (I imagine this is the case for some — not all, but some — of you as well.) I was so relieved when I finally discovered this site after years of wasting time and money on unskilled providers just looking to make a quick buck. I was also incredibly grateful for the outlet (and on some days, the lifeline) this site provided during the COVID lockdown. CoM has the potential to nurture a spirit-lifting camaraderie for those of us who struggle to find it elsewhere. I wish some of us weren’t so seemingly hellbent on tearing others down. Note: I have not named any specific users in this post, as the issue at hand extends beyond any single user. I implore anyone who chooses to comment on this thread to follow suit.

Over many years, I've developed a sensitivity to allowing mutual touch to be, well, mutual. In other words, I try not to get grabby right off the bat, and allow myself to relax and let the masseur do what it is he does well. If I've chosen someone who has a good reputation and I like the way he describes his massage and I like his reviews and any communication with him, I'm intrigued to experience what HE does. I always try to choose someone who can combine therapeutic techniques with sensual and erotic touch. I try not to choose someone who is therapeutic only--OR someone who has no therapeutic skills at all and is using the massage as a means of finding escort clients. No offense to escorts--some of my best friends are or have been escorts. But I'm looking for guys who have developed their individual ways of combining massage with sensuality and eroticism. So here's what I do--and what I DON'T do: I generally try NOT to grab and pull or interfere with his rhythm and technique. As he massages my back, I let my arms hang down the sides of the table, but I hold off touching his leg until he's done serious back and shoulder work. I just breathe into his touch. That creates a physical connection between us that is entirely in his control. It establishes that I respect him as a practitioner. And he of course can begin to "read" my body without his touch being overtly sexually charged. Once that mutual trust and respect has been established and he can see that he's got me moaning and groaning a little bit, I let my hand touch his leg. I might give it a little squeeze, but I definitely do NOT grab it--I still want HIM to be in control of where on my body he's touching me and how the massage progresses from therapeutic to to sensual. Relinquishing that kind of control is part of why I'm there. I try not to break the spell he is casting over me. I also try not touch his dick until he moves it near my hand. But once he does, I touch it and maybe hold it--but again, it's touching WITHOUT grabbing or breaking the mood. At this point he's probably massaging the inside of my thigh, maybe between my cheeks, maybe sliding his hand beneath my hips, maybe touching my balls and cock. If at that point he presses his crotch near my head, I might break the spell a little, raise my head and suck him--but just for a bit, again being careful NOT to signal that you want the massage to be over and all you want to do is cum and leave. Remember--he's not a trick and he's not just an escort--he's an erotic masseur. He's also a human being with a lot of joys and sorrows. And he's had experiences you can't even imagine. It's like a dance--but you have to let him lead. He can probably teach you a helluva lot about connecting physically, sensually, and erotically with another man. Whether it progresses further is up to the two of you. As they like to say on this board, your mileage may vary. But if you travel far...tip accordingly. All that to say that my advice is: Don't try to control it. Choose well. And allow yourself to let it happen.

It’s just good manners.

As long as his rod and staff comfort you. 🤷🏼

Dear comrades, I am the OP, but I have changed my username from lostlonelysoul. Details below. Thanks for all your recommendations. I eventually booked a 2-hour session with @Simon Suraci. I have been eyeing for him on both RM platforms for weeks even before I made my post. But his home base (SD) is way too far from me. So I gave up until I saw his travel location coincided with my business trip. It was meant to be. Let me start by saying that his ad/profile pics definitely do not do him justice. He is 100X hotter in person. You need to see him for yourself. Per your suggestions, I originally made a massage appointment, but as soon as I told him what I truly desired, he did not hesitate to switch gear and led me to the bedroom. Needless to say, I was consumed by stress and anxiety initially. He had a magical way to put me at ease. Aside from being handsome & sexy as hell, he’s intelligent, funny, and kind. Before I knew it, I had my first kiss, my first embrace with a man, my first time touching another man’s naked body all over, and…… I’ll let your imagination run wild to fill in the blanks (many, many, many other blanks indeed). I was (and kind of still is) in a euphoric state for days afterwards. Luckily, I have no important deadlines or projects on hand; otherwise, I’ll be doomed, for that session was the only thing I could think of ever since. @Simon Suraci exceeded every expectation I have for my first rendezvous and I am so glad I made the right choice for my many, many firsts. I bet he will forget about me very soon, but I am 100% certain I will remember him for the rest of my life. Frankly, that was one of the most memorable experiences I have ever had. I'll surely pay close attention to his traveling schedule from now on. Thank you all once again. No longer lost; No longer lonely (even though still alone); My soul has been salvaged; The gate of heaven has been unlocked; Let the wild ride begin + continue

I am biased, the dog comes before the hooker.

I'm back in Ohio, it's Spring, and I have a new great-grandson!!!🎉😄😍

How many times do you answer the phone in your real life when someone who calls isn't already in your contact list? For me: ZERO

To end the speculation, it’s on!😊 For those who like to plan ahead, mark your calendars for April 11 (Saturday) and April 12 (Sunday), 2026. Information about the activities will be forthcoming at a later date. I hope many of you can attend as I look forward to seeing you!🎉😄

Hello, I'm a newbie who has spent more time than I care to admit browsing and searching this forum over the past several months. First of all, let me say that the advices, reviews and experiences shared by everyone here were a huge help in taking the leap with my first hire. I'm a closeted bisexual man who tends to read obsessively on topics I'm anxious about, so thank you all for maintaining this open and supportive community. A few weeks ago I hired someone from RentMen and I figured I'd share this first experience now that I've had some time to process it. Who knows, maybe it will help someone down the line, just as previous posters have unknowingly helped me. So, here we go. I hired a different provider than I had originally in mind, someone of a similar age and with good reviews on this forum. The booking process went quite smoothly thanks to the numerous threads about first-contact etiquette. When I contacted him I stated that I saw his profile on RentMen, I was looking for a 3-hour outcall in a hotel in my city, offered a few options of dates and times, and sent him basic informations about myself. I also mentioned that this would be my very first experience with a man, which made me quite nervous, and I wanted to make sure he was OK with it. He was very reassuring, we discussed what I wanted to try, my goal for the session, my limits, etc. We confirmed the rate and time, and it was all set in less than two hours. I was so nervous the day of the appointment, I felt like a teenager on his first date. I had put his rate in an unmarked envelope very visibly on a table, I offered him something to drink and we talked for a while. The conversation was easy, he asked questions about me and my expectations, told me about himself, his life, how happy he was to help me go through with this, etc. Mutual oral was the only specific thing I requested when we texted initially, since I knew that I'd feel comfortable trying, so it felt natural to start there. He took the lead, asked me to help him get undressed, he guided me to touch him and he taught me how to blow him (never realized a dick would feels so smooth in my mouth when it was like a steel rod in his boxers 😅). It was absolutely awesome and I was ecstatic when he came in my mouth. We continued fooling around and having some fun, talked for a bit and then he was on his way. Was it everything I was hoping for? Probably not. While I thoroughly enjoyed going to town on this stud and I'm glad I got to explore this side of myself, there were moments where I felt somewhat self-conscious and out of place. It still felt like a hookup, which I guess it was, but at the time it made me wonder if this hobby was really meant for me. Not at all the provider's fault however, he was lovely, patient and kind. I usually enjoy sex the most when I have developed some trust/intimacy with the person I'm with, so I'm guessing having a regular provider is probably what I'm looking for. I think I was trying to get it to live up to years of built-up expectations, which was unrealistic. Instead, I'm now trying to focus on the positive aspects of the experience, since I still loved it. Recently, I was thinking about which country to visit this fall, and I realized that I was also looking up the providers available in those countries. I usually travel to explore food and culture, but I guess Men can be another form of cultural exploration. It confirmed what many of you have said — this hobby can indeed be quite addictive. 😉

Usually an escort's retirement is announced via formal, engraved notices. A sophisticated script font - often Florentea or Modernline - is de riguer in the case of a long-time provider. Most times the retirement is accompanied by a dinner at the local Applebee's. The dinner is by invitation-only. Guests are limited to fellow providers, gold star clients, and family members. It is closed to the general public, i.e. no gawkers, groupies, or dinner crashers. The typical retirement gift for the Guest of Honor is a gold watch. Sometimes a gag gift will accompany the watch, such as a leather belt with a notch in it for every client who made a substantial donation to the escort's kids' education fund. Hope this helps... BTC 🤡

Greetings! I implemented a change this morning to require new accounts (less than 30 days old) to require moderator approval for new posts in an effort to mitigate some of the recent increased spam attacks. Once a new account has 5 unique pieces of content approved (new topics, replies, etc), they’ll automatically be updated to no longer require moderator approval. Again, this is only being done as a spam mitigation mechanism. I’m not looking to censor new users or prevent discussion. Posts that are not spam and that don’t violate the community guidelines will be approved as quickly as possible. I would just ask that folks remember we have a small team of volunteers who moderate the site and this is a side gig for all of us. So if it takes a little bit of time for us to see/approve a topic, it’s not personal! Thanks! Rob

One’s an order at a fine dining restaurant, the other’s you yelling into the drive-thru speaker at 2 a.m.

Personally, I think you’re going about this line of work for the wrong reasons. Monetizing your sex life, for one. This phrase neatly summarizes the sentiment discussed in so many other threads on these forums. It just doesn’t work. A much larger number of men would do it if that’s all it took. For another, your primary interest is in the income, not meeting needs you personally are well suited to fulfill. Nothing wrong taking a fair income for delivering high value services to a willing clientele; however, it takes a lot to provide m4m services effectively and be successful. More than looks, and certainly you need experience and talent either on the massage table, in the bedroom, or both. Plus marketing and business savvy, patience, emotional maturity, boundaries, people skills, and many other soft skills. You’re going about it quite casually. This is serious work. To do it well IMHO, you need to do it for the right reasons (beyond a quick buck). This is about meeting very real human needs, not Grindr with the slight caveat of money changing hands. It takes empathy, compassion, and a selfless, service oriented mindset to do a good job. Missing these big picture items, you will likely burn out, and not succeed. Then you’re just another mediocre provider of many, the likes of which the men here pick apart mercilessly and publicly for both shallow and legitimate reasons. Then you inevitably fade into the background and quit 6-24 months after starting. Don’t be that guy. To succeed and sustain, you need to keep on your best game and continue to grow and get better. A short sighted, half ass effort in this biz is immediately apparent to everyone, from the ads you post to the first impression you impart to every new client in person. Lastly, I personally feel you are already in a much too vulnerable position being in the US on any visa, student or otherwise. It’s one thing being a US citizen and kicked out of your apartment lease because your landlord knows or suspects you are a masseur or sex worker. That sucks, but it’s quite another scale of consequence to be kicked out of the country for the same. I wouldn’t jeopardize your life. I need to refrain from saying anything further to expand this point, because it wouldn’t conform to the forum guidelines. Be careful, is all. You already have an excellent opportunity studying here doing something you presumably have a long term goal to fulfill. I would hate to see something bad happen to you or to miss out on your dreams over a quick buck side hustle your heart was never truly into in the first place. Just my take. Do what you will. If you want to do it anyway, some of the others here have already made some good points about not showing your face, not using your real name, taking steps for plausible deniability, shifting some risk onto others by tagging along on 4-hand gigs, etc. There’s more to it than all that, for instance how to properly declare your income and pay taxes, and how to set up a business entity to do so legally. In the end, it’s not always about what you are actually doing, but what Uncle Sam discovers about his missing slice of your pie that catches up to you and ruins you, but that’s a whole other subject. My advice is don’t go there. Be safe. Enjoy the incredible opportunities you already have. I too was a dirt poor college student many moons ago. I was disciplined. I budgeted. I made it work. Money won’t always be so tight.

Only thing getting burned out is my bank account!

I'm watching the fireworks over Sydney Harbour Bridge (and the rest of the harbour), glass of a nice red in hand. A happy and prosperous new year to all, may it bring everything you wished for yourselves and those dear to you.

Some of you have noticed that my activity on the site has been more limited than usual for a while. Over the last six months, I’ve been pouring most of my time, energy, and sanity into a major project. The moderators have known at a high level what has been going on, but I’m finally at the point where I can share it openly with everyone here. Eagle Medellín is my newest project. It is the first Eagle bar in Colombia and only the second in all of South America (the other being São Paulo, Brazil). It's located in Medellín’s El Poblado neighborhood... literally across the street from Club Oráculo and one street over from Bar Chiquita for those who know the area. We’re building a space rooted in energy, masculinity, music, and freedom. Think leather. Think connection. Think a night that belongs fully to the men who step inside. Our goal is simple: deliver the experience people expect from an Eagle. Leather. Fetish. Kink. Presence. Attitude. A place where men can show up exactly as they are. Eagle Medellín is split into multiple zones, each with its own vibe: Front mezzanine: an open-air second floor level overlooking the main street that is more chill and social. Main floor: the main dance floor, the main bar, and a dedicated VIP zone. Second floor play area: our full cruising space with its own bar. Yes, we’ll have tires, chains, structure pieces, and all the atmosphere you expect. Back upstairs patio: an outdoor smoking and hangout area. The entire concept blends sexuality and music into one continuous experience. Alongside local and international DJs, we’ll feature: Hombres del Águila (Men of the Eagle): dancers who embody the look, attitude, and energy of the Eagle brand Guest porn stars Rotating performers and themed nights We want Eagle Medellín to become a must-visit spot not just for locals, but for travelers, working guys, and anyone who values a space that’s kink-positive and judgment-free. Our grand opening is next Friday evening. There is still a long list of things we’re racing to finish, but at this point I’m confident we’re opening. Some details/features may evolve as we settle in, but the doors will be open, the music will be loud, the drinks will be strong, and the energy will be exactly what an Eagle should feel like. I’m incredibly excited about this project and what it means for the community. I know some of you pass through Medellín and Colombia. If you do, I hope you’ll check out what we’re building. This is something I’ve put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into, and I hope it will live up to the high expectations of the iconic Eagle legacy. For transparency... I'm one of four owners who share an equal stake in the venture. When I talk about "my" club, it's a venture with some of my closest friends. We're all committed to making this an area that will be a destination for those who enjoy what an Eagle is all about. I'll toss out the social media links in case anyone is interested. And before anyone asks... yes, I checked with the site owners here to make sure he was cool with this spamvertising! 🤪. I also checked to make sure it was OK with me posting this in the Lounge instead of The Americas for South America travel! 🙃 Eagle Medellín (@eaglemedellin) • Instagram photos and videos INSTAGRAM.COM 657 Followers, 28 Following, 13 Posts - Eagle Medellín (@eaglemedellin) on Instagram: "EAGLE MEDELLÍN Primer Eagle de Colombia 🦅 Cuero, látex, música y... Eagle Medellin | Medellín WWW.FACEBOOK.COM Eagle Medellin, Medellín. 47 likes · 55 talking about this. 🇨🇴 Donde cuero, música y libertad se encuentran. Eagle Medellín — crudo, real, inolvidable. 🇺🇸 Where...

Nope if someone is hiring me a man to have sex with them they are not straight. Are some of them married with kids sure. But they are bi. Or at the very least heteroflexible. Class repeat after me… if you have sex with a man and you are a man you are not straight.

Love and marriage may go together like a horse and carriage, but sometimes the horse wants to be unharnessed and frolic with a mare that catches his eye. My partner and I were happily married, but I was nevertheless sexually attracted to a variety of men, though not interested in a romantic relationship with them. We agreed from the start that ours would be an "open" marriage, so both of us had occasional sex with other men when circumstances were suitable. Back then, the commercial open marketplace for gay sex didn't exist, except for street hustlers, who usually were not my type. As we aged, opportunities for sex with attractive men became very limited. Then one day, I happened to be alone in NYC, and in the Advocate I saw an ad for a sex service. Curious, I went to the address, told the man at the desk what I was in the mood for at that moment, and he directed me to a room to which he would send someone. I waited in the room for about ten minutes, and in walked a guy whom I could never have picked up cruising on my own. We had great sex, then I dressed and went back to the desk out front, and paid. Soon I learned about finding freelance providers on the Internet (I had just bought my first desktop computer), and from then on my only sex outside marriage was with the professionals, because it was quick and easy, with no danger of becoming emotionally involved with someone just because we had sex.

🥳 G’day @mike carey and Happy Birthday to one of the hardest working moderators we have. Thank you for volunteering your time to keep this site a most enjoyable and informative place to visit. Your hard and dedicated work is most appreciated. Enjoy your special day! Cheers! 🥂

Hi guys, I'm Alex_Twink. Honestly, I wasn't sure if I should write this or not because I didn't know whether to give this more attention or just let it go. This man has been insisting a lot about whether l'll be able to cum during our session together. He kept asking me about it several times, even going as far as asking when the last time I would cum before seeing him would be. I don't like feeling pressured, and that's why the night before we were supposed to meet, when he wrote to me again and asked about the same thing (whether | would finish), I told him it was better not to meet at all. I explained that I felt pressured and uncomfortable. I also didn't want to risk not meeting his expectations or having him feel like he was wasting his money if I didn't finish. So yes, 1 told him it was best to cancel our date for both of our sake.

If you were paying him what he asked for, why would he be disappointed? If you were to pay a lower fee to another provider, will he then lower his fee? Tell him to grow up or find another client.

As someone who just recently had their first experience with a man, I will tell you what helped me tremendously. Once I narrowed down my search, with a handful of local providers, who were my type and had a fair amount of good reviews on RM. I checked them with Company of Men, to get some trusted reviews. After they passed that test, I paid for an hour of their regular rate to meet them in person. I only did this with 2 local providers. We had coffee or quick meal, and I was able to ask every imaginable question, and share my concerns about my first experience with a man. It also allowed me to see if we had a connection and real chemistry. I was able to find an awesome provider who has been kind, patient and loving, as I explore my sexuality with a man.This is not a conventional way go, and some of you will disagree with my method, but it sure worked well for me. I wish you the best with your journey.

That much is obvious. Helpful hints: punctuation and capitalization are your friends. Using them will make you appear less naive and therefore less likely to be taken advantage of in the future. Similarly, avoid hiring a man who does not use punctuation or capitalization in his communication with you. It shows he is either inexperienced at best or a flake at worst.

Many of my clients are straight when they walk through the door, but gay when they leave. Isn’t that fabulous 😉

Yes 🚩! My second hour is 15% less than the first hour. I don’t publish rates longer than 2 hours but the % reduction would be about the same. It really depends on the set up and my willingness to do a longer session. I generally am not keen to do multiple hours so I’d price it accordingly. I had one guy ask me for my rate for a 4 hour booking. I gave him a number. He divided that by 4, came up with an hourly rate….and then asked to book just an hour. Smart. Of course I said ‘sorry it doesn’t work like that, the first hour is more expensive’ so he said ‘ok I’ll book just the 4th hour then please’ 😳

Please trust that we are already doing our best to make our spa better. We pay attention to every positive and negative review from our customers, and we make improvements based on the feedback. However, we have our own standards for deciding whether or not to terminate an employee. You mentioned your issue was not resolved and asked me to fire Adem. My answer is: I will not fire Adem, because many other customers appreciate and enjoy his service. Another reason is that the complaint you provided about your experience with him was vague and unclear. If you are very dissatisfied with that particular session, we are willing to offer you a refund. If you don’t feel comfortable seeing him again, you are welcome to choose another therapist or visit a different spa. Most of our staff here are young people in their early 20s, and it’s natural for young people to make mistakes. I hope everyone can be more understanding and patient with them. Especially during this difficult time, they truly need this job. As you may have noticed, there have been changes in our schedule, and for those employees who have seriously crossed the line, we have taken termination measures as well.

As a 74 year-old widower, currently dating a 34 year-old, I find this thread to be interesting, with some comments amusing, and some cruelly judgemental ... like this one. Not sure why you view Geffen's decision as "stupid and mentally fucked up." Specifically, I most definitely wonder why you wonder why an 80-year-old would want or need the close emotional/personal connection of marriage. I had been very active on this forum, and in this hobby, in the years since my husband of 30+ years died ... and now cruise the site out of interest and, perhaps, nostalgia, because I haven't hired since I entered this new relationship. I am the kind of person who deeply and fundamentally enjoys close emotional connection (as well as satisfying sex). After becoming overly (and damned foolishly) entangled with a handsome, hot, charming provider, and then extricating myself from that connection, I doubted I would ever find the kind of connection I wanted. And then -- precisely because I had stopped actively "looking" -- it happened. We met in a professional setting, and have been dating since. I am deeply in love. He says the same and, unless he is worthy of every stage/screen acting award on the planet, is genuinely in love with me. While I make no judgements (AT ALL) about someone who would get emotionally (and legally) involved with someone described as a "porn star and go-go-boy" the age difference in and of itself shouldn't be an issue ... assuming that both participants are both honest and enter into the relationship with their eyes open. Is my admittedly admirable financial situation (though not even remotely close to billionaire status!!!) a mutually-acknowledged part of the equation? Of course!! I would be foolish indeed (even blind, perhaps) if I did not acknowledge that and take it into consideration. Such things are always part of any relationship -- gay, straight, same-age or May-November -- to a greater or lesser degree. I always earned substantially more than my husband, and I therefore paid for many things we enjoyed together, from real-estate to dining out and global travel. If the extraordinarily intelligent and hard-working (and, yes, very handsome and sweet, and sexy) young professional I am involved with is willing to share a number of his prime years of life with me, I am more than willing to reciprocate with reasonable intellectual, emotional, and financial support ... including post-mortem asset-sharing, (with an appropriate pre-nup.) This isn't just a sexual fling, although the sex is wonderful. (I prefer to refer to it as "making love" rather than just hot sex ... although it is hot, on both physical and emotional levels.) Having met in a professional setting, we soon discovered that we have similar interests in international culture, travel, food, and a wide range of intellectual pursuits. Do I enjoy close and rewarding emotional connections with a reasonable number of friends and family member? Thankfully, yes. Do I have enough self-esteem to be self-sufficient emotionally if I choose to be? Also, thankfully, yes. Do I have some nagging doubts about the $$ issue? Of course I do! I don't consider myself to be blind, naïve, or foolish. Did I have various doubts about my marriage that lasted for more than three decades until death parted us? You bet! And I've learned that one can either hold out for perfection (whatever that might be) or one can barricade oneself by rejecting every potential relationship with any inequities, or one can, with due diligence and careful thought, allow oneself to enjoy the delights of romantic and physical love -- rather than allowing something like age-difference and society's reaction to that get in the way. With full acknowledgement of the risk it entails, I have chosen the latter. Time will tell whether the decision to engage in this way will play out the way I hope it will. In the meantime, I am thrilled for the chance to enjoy the delights of love again ... while making absolutely NO judgments whatsoever about people who prefer a series of blazingly hot sexual trysts, whether those involve financial transactions or not. Been there too, and enjoyed it immensely!

I am ready, willing and able to pay top dollar for top escorts. But I am very picky. The way I afford this hobby is by picking only guys who flake on me, change travel plans abruptly, or, my favorite, don't respond to me at all. I haven't closed a deal in years. I save a lot of money that way. 🙂

Jeezus.

Checked out the scene in PV for a weekend Puerto Vallarta Anthropology - not sure how they stay in business. they are so far over and really don't have any good guys. The past several trips I did go to check it out and it was like I was waking them up by coming in. Was only a handful of other customers. Used to be amazing back in the day. Big private rooms upstairs. No cover. Cash only bar and entertainers, anything goes. Wet - Love the redesign - Shower behind the bar looks awesome. good amount of entertainers each night prob 15. Stays open late till like 3am or 4am depending on the crowd. No cover. Cash only for most bar or entertainers. The bar does take cards if you pay a certain amount of buy bottle service - just not for a few drinks. Back room 500 pesos and were large with benches. Entertainers anything goes 1500 pesos. They do do shows in the open in the shower behind the bar nude and on a pole in the back of the and will come pester for tips weather you watched the show or not which is annoying. Club 69 - Fun club. No cover charge. Cash only bar and entertainers. 2 levels which is cool. Private rooms downstairs 500 pesos with padded bench and large mirror. Entertainers were 1500-2000 pesos for anything goes. They are aggressive on their public shows and demanding tips. half the guys are fun, half are asleep on uninterested and on their phones. the manager gets on the PA and tells people to either tip or leave which kinda annoyed me. B-Mine (formerly Pervert) - wow nice space. Completely gutted the old Pervert club and renovated it. Upon entry as you go up to the second level, if you look up you walk under a shower with a plexiglass floor and can see the guys showering above you (if someone's in there). Club has 2 poles and multiple backrooms. No cover charge and they *do* accept credit cards for both the bar and backroom/entertainers. Backrooms are the nicest and there is also a suite in the basement with a hot tub and bed. Only a handful of guys, two of which were hot and did offer pretty reasonable private show fees. Casa Capula - Has full nude pool parties and reg pool parties. Both feature go-go dancers who offer extra services in a side area Tijuana Premier Mens Club - Fun club. Went two nights back to back. One for their Mens Only night and one for regular night. Mens only was cool but I felt like there was less dancers. They do have more m4m shows with full action, and some audience interactions. I felt the non-mens only night/regular night was better. There was a lot more dancers and better vibe. Probably 20 or so dancers on a long catwalk with poles at each end. music is loud and the same beat all night. Drag shows at like 2am. They still open till 5 or 6am. Mixture of seats along side the stage as well as high top tables and booths. There is a dark room for guests and private room in the club as well. If at any point you want to talk to the dancer or want an open floor lap dance, either signal the entertainer or tell a waiter who will get them for you. They dance and grind on you for few minutes as long your tipping. USD is welcome here as well as Mexican Pesos. Private was $500 pesos for the room and varies what for the entertainer. Private room is behind the main bar and you have to be buzzed in. two rooms with curtain booths that have a chair and mirror. Had some fun back there. Club seems to be cash only. There is a cover charge of 100 pesos. ATM is down the street at the casino or in one of the gad stations. Be careful as Tijuana is a major strip club city for straight guys and police are known to shake people down regularly. Uber between the border and the club and back. It's literally 5 minutes each way but worth it. Club has always been safe. There is a bath house above it by the same owner with rooms to rent and hotel next door that the entertainers recommend for more in-depth shows with rooms for $40 usd. Mr. TJ Mens Spa / Only Boys Spa - New Mens Massage Studio for gay men. Has 12-15 masseurs working offering various massage. Sports, tantric and more. Tantric both parties are nude and was 1400 pesos. Well run, clean and professional. Takes cards. Had Jean-Carlos who was amazing.

Hi, I'm SaintV. Most people call me Saint. I am an industrial engineer, A first responder with the fire dept, and a closeted gay man. I am 34 years old and kind of new to this, so please cut me some slack. I have been looking for a place to talk openly about myself and maybe meet some like minded individuals. I have read through a bit and am trying to integrate myself into this forum. Don't know much else to say, but just wanted to introduce myself.

Your synopsis suggests you already know your best option is to engage a more compatible provider.

Because it's often less expensive than dinner and a movie for two, and way cheaper than getting married then divorced.

When I was 21, guys cruised and approached me everywhere (and I do mean everywhere, 24/7. I never charged anyone, but I also never said no. Every now and then someone wanted to charge me, and my response was always, “why would I pay for it when I can get it for free?” But I was naïve, young, hung and desirable. Now I’m (ahem) 30something years past 21, and while I’m still attractive, I’m not approached or cruised remotely like I was then. While my looks may have changed, my libido hasn’t. If I knew then, what I know now, I absolutely would have been a sex worker. By charging for it, I would have had the same amount of sex I did for free, but I’d have avoided toxic jobs, and I would be retired by now. My point is, I applaud the young guys smart enough to provide for those who want it, and I applaud the guys that can afford to buy it as often as they like. Those who have hired understand they can cut through the red tape to get exactly what they want, free of unwanted entanglements. For some it’s about sex, for others it’s living out kinks and fantasies they wouldn’t dare try at home. And for others, being with providers enables a client feel desired, loved, safe and physically connected to another. Some guys want a weekend fling, others just want a great massage with a happy ending. But a good provider can do any and all of that. Like any job, some truly care about their clients, they enjoy providing a service that includes love, kindness and empathy. Others point and shoot and collect their rent money. In the end, in a good client/provider combo, everyone gets what they want. It should be legalized for sure, and should have been for centuries. The world would certainly be a better place for it.

Nothing. I tip for exceeding MY expectations.

I had 2 clients on Valentine’s Day. Neither of them wanted flowers or a card…

I think the issue, if there is one, is not that the current state of markets and the economy are on their minds, but rather that they may have noticed clients might be hiring less.

First time I got paid for sex was when a guy asked me in a chat room how much I charged. I’d sent him some pics and clearly he assumed I was for hire (maybe I encouraged that 😂). I asked what he wanted, which seemed easy for me, and then gave him a rate. He agreed, sent me his street and house number and asked me to text him when I was near and definitely not to knock on the door but to stand on the street corner and wait, which seemed strange but I didn’t question it. So I dressed as provocatively as possible without turning up in just a jock, and arrived outside his place, sending him a text to let him know. I guess he was watching as I stood there, to make sure I looked ok. I must have looked suitably attractive because he then texts me to knock at a different door number. Obviously if I was not to his liking I’d never have found out his real door number…might still be standing there now! Once inside he invites me up to the bedroom, telling me his wife is out and she won’t be back for a few hours. In my naivety that surprised me…id expected him to be single (I was so inexperienced!). He was kind of indistinguishable from any guy you’d pass in the street without noticing them, around 60 and had the air of someone who’d hired before. He told me to undress, and left me in the bedroom while he went off to do something. So I stripped off and lay on the bed, imagining him and his wife sleeping there later, and as I lay there waiting I realised I’d forgotten to bring condoms or lube… He knew I was inexperienced (despite my attempts to come across otherwise) so he took charge which was fortunate. I had no problem with not being attracted to him, it was the situation that was a turn on for me. Probably the risk, the situation and of course his interest in me. After the session he gave me the money, and ushered me out quickly (I think his wife was due back). Counting the money as I walked back to my car I felt elated. There I learned I had the ability to do the work.