BrandinHawk - avoid at all cost

[OvrwghtQT]

19 minutes ago, d.anders said:

Ever had an anoscopy? How much do you respect your doctor, or yourself? If the expected massage is sensual, I would think it common sense to be as clean as possible. No different than a scheduled hook-up. I don't go to a sensual massage appointment without douching first, just in case the guy wants to play. I'm not the type to request things. I like the mystery, and I don't care about sex, as long as the massage is good.

Comparing a massage only session to an anoscopy — a medical procedure. OMG. I’ve never had a massage from an RM provider and would never do it after reading this thread. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, d.anders said:

Last but not least, I'm dead on arrival with certain foul odors. Some men never learn how to properly clean themselves, and I'm talking every orifice. What is a service provider supposed to do in these unfortunate circumstances?

THIS is very true. 

I've have been around the hook up scene, for many years...so have been with MANY, many men. There were definitely moments where I questioned what sort of dirty trailer park these guys grew up in. It's shocking, the number of grown men out there, who don't know the basic rules of hygiene.

[d.anders]

4 hours ago, OvrwghtQT said:

Comparing a massage only session to an anoscopy — a medical procedure. OMG.

I wasn't comparing. You missed the point. Also, a regular massage is nowhere near the same thing as a sensual one. If the customer has any desire for sex during a sensual massage -- I don't care how little or how much sex -- then it's incumbent on him to not only respect himself, but to respect the provider as well. This really is simple courtesy.

4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I've have been around the hook up scene, for many years...so have been with MANY, many men. There were definitely moments where I questioned what sort of dirty trailer park these guys grew up in. It's shocking, the number of grown men out there, who don't know the basic rules of hygiene.

I have two very close friends, hot guys, who have been sexually charged and active for longer than 30 years. On game night, when the subject comes to hygiene among men, boy do they have some stories. I find it shocking, too. How can any gay man be so dense and out of touch?

[SecretProvider]

11 hours ago, Luv2play said:

you lost me when you complained about the smell of precum.

read again. 

13 hours ago, SecretProvider said:

the smell of shit, ball sweat and pre-cum is not a pleasant aroma for the best of us.

I think you are missing the vital word of "AND" in my sentence. The word AND is added to show that I was describing a THE MIXTURE OF ALL THREE SMELLS.  My bad if that was not clear. 🤮 Next time you are sucking someone off who hasn't wiped their ass properly and been sweating all day, get back to me and let me know how much you enjoyed it.  It is very different from sucking a nice fresh clean one, I assure you. 

7 hours ago, OvrwghtQT said:

If this is what you require for a massage only session, I don’t want to know what you require for a full escort session. 

I'm sorry someone has had to explain how to wash yourself properly as a way of good manners before you are going to be intimate with them. Like I said, it is difficult to do without offending. My apologues you are offended by this. 

But I can answer your question about what I hope my clients do before a full escort session = showering as described above, with the additional step of douching. I certainly do, but I also wear deodorant, cologne, moisturize, put product in my hair, shave, add fresh bed sheets and towels, and tidy the apartment/hotel if I am hosting. 

11 hours ago, Luv2play said:

crazy you sound like one.

You sound like someone who doesn't wipe their ass properly - god knows why else you would be defending this behavior. Madness. I hope you brush your teeth daily. 

I am actually shocked that it seems controversial to arrive properly cleaned to a session where you are going to be intimate with someone. The push back here is baffling. But once again - some guys are oblivious. 

Please shower throughly beforehand people, your provider will thank you and you will have a better experience as a result. What a crazy thing to have to explain to people. Sigh. 

[OvrwghtQT]

32 minutes ago, SecretProvider said:

I'm sorry someone has had to explain how to wash yourself properly as a way of good manners before you are going to be intimate with them. Like I said, it is difficult to do without offending. My apologues you are offended by this. 

My question was for a “massage only session.” Who said about intimacy? I get a massage weekly without intimacy. It’s purely therapeutic. I do get that, in order to merely get a massage from you, you require a client to follow strict cleaning regimen to make you happy.  Or you would judge them harshly and send them to your bathroom over and over again until they pass your physical examination. That’s degrading to say the least. 

[pubic_assistance]

9 minutes ago, OvrwghtQT said:

That’s degrading to say the least. 

Its more degrading that he would NEED to explain to a grown man, that he needs to scrub his sweaty bits wkth soap and water. Not just do a quick rinse. 

Edited Tuesday at 08:14 PM by pubic_assistance
grammar

[OvrwghtQT]

14 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Its more degrading that he would NEED to explain to a grown man, that he needs to scrub his sweaty bits wkth soap and water. Not just do a quick rinse. 

And he would send his clients to the bathroom multiple times, or escort them in the bathroom, until they pass his strict inspection before they can get mere massage. I’m a neat freak and very particular with my hygiene. But I also recognize that people, including message therapists and escorts, may have views of what hygiene is different from mine, sometimes related to their culture. So I won’t tell them to go back to back to bathroom over and over again until I’m satisfied with their smell or look.  

Edited Tuesday at 08:28 PM by OvrwghtQT

[pubic_assistance]

2 minutes ago, OvrwghtQT said:

I also recognize that people, including message therapists and escorts, may have views of what hygiene different from mine, sometimes related to their culture.

Yes.

Different cultures have different standards.

Different people have different standards.

If a provider wants you CLEAN, then that means CLEAN according to HIS standards.

As they say..don't like the terms ? DON'T SHOP THERE !

[OvrwghtQT]

Just now, pubic_assistance said:

Yes.

Different cultures have different standards.

Different people have different standards.

If a provider wants you CLEAN, then that means CLEAN according to HIS standards.

As they say..don't like the terms ? DON'T SHOP THERE !

That’s fair. So if a provider has a specific cleaning regimen that he wants followed by his prospective massage only clients, the provider must make that clear before the meeting. This thread could’ve been avoided had the provider communicated to OP about that. They clearly didn’t have a meeting of the minds at any point. 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, OvrwghtQT said:

if a provider has a specific cleaning regimen that he wants followed by his prospective massage only clients, the provider must make that clear before the meeting. 

Well....NO.

The provider is expecting that his clients have the basic understanding of hygiene according to American Standards. Unless he is advertising in Mumbai, or to people who are washing in the filth of the Ganges, and expecting divine intervention,  I think its a given that customers maintain the basic standard of washing their bits and pieces with soap and water. 

The fact that you @OvrwghtQT are pushing back on this basic courtesy,  should signal a warning to the providers here in the room.

[OvrwghtQT]

22 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

The fact that you @OvrwghtQT are pushing back on this basic courtesy,  should signal a warning to the providers here in the room.

@pubic_assistance I need not defend myself just because you want to turn to this to personal attacks about me. I can advocate for people’s beliefs about odor, hygiene, and self care, based on their culture or personal preferences, without adhering to those beliefs. The same way I can advocate for people’s choice to do BB without me doing it. Or advocate for people’s freedom to be bisexual without being one. You wanna preach about safe sex here or force your militant beliefs about how people should clean themselves before a private session, go ahead. But you need to be respectful and avoid spreading frivolous statements about other people. Because you are committing libel in the process. 

[SecretProvider]

21 minutes ago, OvrwghtQT said:

force your militant beliefs about how people should clean themselves

Some people have accused me of having disdain for my clients, which couldn't be further from the truth - but this is a fantastic example the kind of nonsense we have to navigate.  @OvrwghtQT what a strange hill to die on.

Soap and water is not militant. It's good manners, no matter where you are or from.  JFC

@OvrwghtQT  Here is a some helpful info for you  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ah-T96wW0

 

 

[OvrwghtQT]

1 minute ago, SecretProvider said:

Some people have accused me of having disdain for my clients, which couldn't be further from the truth - but this is a fantastic example the kind of nonsense we have to navigate.  @OvrwghtQT what a strange hill to die on.

Soap and water is not militant. It's good manners, no matter where you are or from.  JFC

@OvrwghtQT  Here is a some helpful info for you  - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ah-T96wW0

 

 

Go head and keep on sending your clients over and over again to the bathroom for more soap and water until they pass your physical exams during the sessions. I’m sure they don’t mind since the clock doesn’t start ticking until they pass your rigid physical exams. 

[SecretProvider]

4 minutes ago, OvrwghtQT said:

Go head and keep on sending your clients over and over again to the bathroom for more soap and water until they pass your physical exams during the sessions. I’m sure they don’t mind since the clock doesn’t start ticking until they pass your rigid physical exams. 

You have no manners. Good bye and good luck. 

[Luv2play]

11 minutes ago, SecretProvider said:

You have no manners. Good bye and good luck. 

I was lost again with the deodorant, the cologne, the hair gel etc. I like my men natural, clean but natural. All the perfume stuff you use is a complete turnoff to me. 

[TBD]

2 hours ago, OvrwghtQT said:

This thread could’ve been avoided had the provider communicated to OP about that. They clearly didn’t have a meeting of the minds at any point. 

I do find it funny that you mention communication to be the issue (and not basic cleanliness), but also how upset you are by what appears to me to have been a pretty rudimentary and communicative description of every shower I have ever had in my life. Do people not shower this way? 

[SecretProvider]

2 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

I was lost again with the deodorant, the cologne, the hair gel etc. I like my men natural, clean but natural. All the perfume stuff you use is a complete turnoff to me. 

You can't win them all!  My loss I am sure. 

[mike carey]

5 minutes ago, TBD said:

I do find it funny that you mention communication to be the issue (and not basic cleanliness), but also how upset you are by what appears to me to have been a pretty rudimentary and communicative description of every shower I have ever had in my life. Do people not shower this way? 

This forum is a gold mine for unexpected new snippets of information.

[Luv2play]

4 minutes ago, SecretProvider said:

You can't win them all!  My loss I am sure. 

There are many clients in my corner. They detest the over perfumed glamped up provider. Won’t touch them, much less have them touch them. Just the overpowering smell of cologne is enough to turn them off. And licking deodorant from a hairy pit is dreadful. The chemicals are enough to turn a stomach. Give me nice clean natural smelling skin. Even sweaty is alright in some circumstances.

Edited Tuesday at 11:40 PM by Luv2play

[Asterisk]

10 minutes ago, Luv2play said:

There are many clients in my corner. They detest the over perfumed glamped up provider. Won’t touch them, much less have them touch them. Just the overpowering smell of cologne is enough to turn them off. And licking deodorant from a hairy pit is dreadful. The chemicals are enough to turn a stomach. Give me nice clean natural smelling skin. Even sweaty is alright in some circumstances.

I don't think the dispute here is between men who like/dislike deodorant/cologne.  Though I shouldn't speak for @SecretProvider, I doubt he would have objected if the client had showered and cleaned what needed to be cleaned, then came out smelling shower-fresh.  He objected because the client smelled like shit and BO. 

(Though I also believe the norm in America is to smell neutral or pleasant, not of BO.  If you prefer BO, that's outside the norm, and you should flag.  If you dislike deodorant, maybe suggest to provider/client, "let's take a shower together first, no deodorant needed afterward."  If partner declines, you're on different pages.) 

But bathing?  Come on.  If your mama would find skidmarks, you haven't bathed (or wiped) properly.  Maybe invest in a bidet?

[d.anders]

4 hours ago, OvrwghtQT said:

if a provider has a specific cleaning regimen that he wants followed by his prospective massage only clients, the provider must make that clear before the meeting

I support that.

[SecretProvider]

8 hours ago, Luv2play said:

There are many clients in my corner.

I 100% have had clients specifically request NO DEODORANT. If you have a fetish for this kind of smell, it is so simple- you just ASK FOR IT.  I didn't, and Brandin didn't either. 

7 hours ago, Asterisk said:

I doubt he would have objected if the client had showered and cleaned what needed to be cleaned, then came out smelling shower-fresh.  He objected because the client smelled like shit and BO. 

CORRECT. 👏  why is this controversial? 

7 hours ago, Asterisk said:

the norm in America is to smell neutral or pleasant, not of BO.  If you prefer BO, that's outside the norm, and you should flag.

 CORRECT  👏  again. say it louder for the people up the back. 

 

8 hours ago, Luv2play said:

. Give me nice clean natural smelling skin. Even sweaty is alright in some circumstances.

(important word here is CLEAN)  I have a regular client that plans our schedules around when I go to the gym so that I can see him straight afterwards- still wearing my sweaty gym gear and underpants. I see him weekly, he knows my regular gym class schedule. I message him if my gym plans change so we can work around it. Sometimes I wear the same underpants from the day before for him when I work out so when I see him to give it gives it an extra PANG. 

Guess what @Luv2play- I STILL SHOWER AND + GET FRESH AND CLEAN MY ASS BEFORE I WORK OUT SO MY ASS DOESN'T SMELL LIKE SHIT. This is a VERY DIFFERENT scenario than what we were discussing with the OP. If you are wanting SWEATY MAN SMELL - no problem  just request that. 

@Luv2playI am telling you, as a PROVIDER, we are NOT requesting or excited by a client who is not clean and smelling fresh. While some clients, such as yourself, request no deodorant or cologne, please understand that unless this is specifically requested, it is generally assumed that we use these products at a basic level. Not doing so would be outside the norm. (not that there is anything wrong with natural scent - JUST ASK FOR IT) 

We can be smelly and dirty if you ask, but unless you ask for it - it would be rude of us to arrive smelly and dirty -RIGHT? same applies both ways. Unless we ask for you to arrive smelly - please don't.

Don't know why this is so hard for y'all to accept but I am getting to my wits end here. Is this the twilight zone?

Have a shower and brush your teeth daily + always assume your partner (and ESPECIALLY YOUR  PROVIDER) wants you CLEAN. PLEASE. 

Have a nice day! 

Edited yesterday at 07:56 AM by SecretProvider

[+ PhileasFogg]

2 hours ago, SecretProvider said:

Don't know why this is so hard for y'all to accept but I am getting to my wits end here. Is this the twilight zone?

Deep breath.  It’s ok.  You’ve made your point multiple times.  Let it go. 😉

[pubic_assistance]

The conversation is about Brandin Hawk, and his inability to serve when a client stinks. Not about whether the use of cologne and deodorant are a plus or a minus for clients. So lets not wander too far off the subject. 

I tend to agree, that I dont enjoy a man who wears perfume and I hate when I get a mouthful of deodorant. But the primary focus here is how Brandin expects THE CUSTOMER to arrive. His own words were about soap and water and being thorough in your personal hygiene. 

The pushback as @SecretProvider has mentioned is a bit bizarre to me. "Man-scent" is a well known sexual fetish but to my knowledge, the conversation started about a sensual massage hire, not a full blown session of sweaty man2man fuck-n-suck.  So its perfectly reasonable without a specific request for sniffing some ripe ball-sack, that everyone arrive fresh and free of stank.

[Discreetguy2020]

Apart from OP’s experience let me add mine. Have met Brandin a few times (as recently as the last 48 hours) going back a couple of years. my experiences have always been extremely positive without issue. Looks like his pictures, accommodating etc. Def recommend.