+ glutes Posted February 9 Posted February 9 The whole case is strange, and think the cops know more than what we are being told. Inspector Glutes was wondering why investigators went to the roof and towed a car days after her purported abduction. Why was there a camera on her newly redone roof? Roofers targeting a vulnerable old lady? https://parade.com/news/savannah-guthrie-mom-nancy-camera-found-roof-neighbor-spotted-key-detail-prompted-police-search Any thoughts / theories? marylander1940 1
+ purplekow Posted February 9 Posted February 9 We do have a prolific poster who is based in Tucson. Perhaps he has more information on a local story gone national.
jeezifonly Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Random, personal, or otherwise specifically targeting a journalist? Terrible no matter which. I hope Nancy is not in physical peril. You deliberately separate a 84yr old from medicine and/or a heart-managing device, the risk of an additional charge of murder gets higher every hour. BSR 1
+ sync Posted February 9 Posted February 9 The victim's blood at the abduction site is a very grim first find. marylander1940 and BSR 2
ShortCutie7 Posted February 9 Posted February 9 4 hours ago, jeezifonly said: You deliberately separate a 84yr old from medicine and/or a heart-managing device, the risk of an additional charge of murder gets higher every hour. 3 hours ago, sync said: The victim's blood at the abduction site is a very grim first find. For these reasons, I think she’s already dead. My initial gut feeling was that she was accidentally hit by a car and the assailant took her body to cover it up, but now I think it was a planned abduction.
+ sync Posted February 9 Posted February 9 3 hours ago, ShortCutie7 said: For these reasons, I think she’s already dead. My initial gut feeling was that she was accidentally hit by a car and the assailant took her body to cover it up, but now I think it was a planned abduction. I have the same feeling about her already being dead, and because of the way the investigation has widened, I also have an eerie feeling a family member may be somehow involved. ShortCutie7 1
+ purplekow Posted February 9 Posted February 9 Fa,ily is always the direction in which the authorities point. For how long were the Ramseys looked at for the murder of their daughter. In that case, my money is still on the step brother. My gut is they will not find her body anytime soon or they will find a very fat coyote. Luv2play 1
Luv2play Posted February 9 Posted February 9 One ransom note demanded bitcoin in ransom money. But that currency is plunging and has lost 47percent of its value since last October. Today its down another 3.4 percent. Better to delay and get a cheaper price. marylander1940, mike carey and CuriousByNature 2 1
+ glutes Posted February 19 Author Posted February 19 https://abc7.com/live-updates/nancy-guthrie-live-updates/18612498/ My thoughts earlier, what about her roofers?? 90 minutes to Mexico...
+ sniper Posted February 19 Posted February 19 I think she's dead, not necessarily intentionally, or they would have tried to actually get the money by now. marylander1940, Whoisyourdaddy, + Lucky and 2 others 5
BuffaloKyle Posted February 19 Posted February 19 It's a very odd case as every scenario has some holes. If she was kidnapped for ransom it appears all the ransom notes were fakes. I would think there would have been a physical one left at the house. If it was then just someone who hates Savannah Guthrie why kidnap her and not just kill her and leave her there. And if it was a burglary gone bad you would never take the person again, you'd just kill and leave them there.
jeezifonly Posted February 19 Posted February 19 When the means of payment is crypto, that means it can't be traced. So the comms (via TMZ really?) and extending the deadlines and changing the the crypto account is really odd, and sure is taking up a lot of space in the news cycle. 🤔
JB_Studio38 Posted February 27 Posted February 27 (edited) Having spent hotel nights watching Forensics Files and First 48 Tulsa (Don’t ask me why murder mysteries fascinate people…but if anything it’s educational that it’s not always who you think it is), it could be anything. It’s too early to speculate anything at this point, cases like this can take longer than a few weeks to figure out. That said, Tucson is quite a beautiful place. But the streets can be sketchy. It attracts retirees like Florida does, but also has college and resort communities. I took a picture while out “hiking” (which was really more of a jogging trail) last year. Edited February 27 by JB_Studio38 thomas and + Pensant 2
+ Just Chuck Posted Monday at 08:08 PM Posted Monday at 08:08 PM A former FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit Profiler (like in “Silence of the Lambs”) helped generate a video where she provided commentary on the doorbell video of the person coming onto Mrs. Guthrie’s porch during the night. The analyst points out how calmly and deliberately he moved, how prepared he seemed to be based on how he’d covered himself from video surveillance, and how he appeared to be carrying supplies that he might want for whatever he was about to do. She commented that she wouldn’t be surprised if this individual had done something like this before. It was a pretty chilling analysis. Here’s a link to the audio component.
DaddyCares Posted Wednesday at 10:45 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:45 PM Must love that this is a forum topic here. I've been following this vigorously; I cannot tell why it intrigues me so much.
Becket Posted Thursday at 02:24 AM Posted Thursday at 02:24 AM On 2/27/2026 at 4:35 AM, JB_Studio38 said: Having spent hotel nights watching Forensics Files and First 48 Tulsa (Don’t ask me why murder mysteries fascinate people…but if anything it’s educational that it’s not always who you think it is), it could be anything. It’s too early to speculate anything at this point, cases like this can take longer than a few weeks to figure out. That said, Tucson is quite a beautiful place. But the streets can be sketchy. It attracts retirees like Florida does, but also has college and resort communities. I took a picture while out “hiking” (which was really more of a jogging trail) last year. Do you still think it is "too early?" Seems very late to me. The press have all disappeared, the police have moved back to Phoenix, and one infamous law enforcement officer is off drinking beer with the hockey team. marylander1940 1
marylander1940 Posted Thursday at 03:13 AM Posted Thursday at 03:13 AM 47 minutes ago, Becket said: Do you still think it is "too early?" Seems very late to me. The press have all disappeared, the police have moved back to Phoenix, and one infamous law enforcement officer is off drinking beer with the hockey team. On 2/26/2026 at 2:22 PM, azdr0710 said: well, who can blame him... he's finally acknowledged by jocks, he thinks he's one of them. + Pensant and + Just Chuck 1 1
JB_Studio38 Posted Thursday at 04:52 AM Posted Thursday at 04:52 AM 2 hours ago, Becket said: Do you still think it is "too early?" Seems very late to me. The press have all disappeared, the police have moved back to Phoenix, and one infamous law enforcement officer is off drinking beer with the hockey team. If it’s not on one of the HLN shows, it’s too soon… Becket 1
+ Pensant Posted Thursday at 01:02 PM Posted Thursday at 01:02 PM (edited) I never understood the mass interest in these things. It must stem from the years of reality TV and crime serials. Not owning a TV is a blessing. Of course, I know 90% of the population disagrees. Edited Thursday at 01:03 PM by Pensant marylander1940, Nue2thegame and Luv2play 3
+ sync Posted Thursday at 09:19 PM Posted Thursday at 09:19 PM It's been a long time since the ransom payment was raised to a million dollars and, apparently there has not yet been a response. Sadly, this is appearing to be moving from search and rescue to search and recovery. BSR and Luv2play 1 1
Luv2play Posted Thursday at 11:27 PM Posted Thursday at 11:27 PM 10 hours ago, Pensant said: I never understood the mass interest in these things. It must stem from the years of reality TV and crime serials. Not owning a TV is a blessing. Of course, I know 90% of the population disagrees. I don’t own a television either, having ditched it during the pandemic. It helps a lot in filtering out the background nonsense in the world today. + Pensant 1
Whoisyourdaddy Posted yesterday at 12:47 AM Posted yesterday at 12:47 AM I've been following several of these high-profile cases (Anna Kepler, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, etc). It feels like not much is happening with most of them. It's prompting online sleuths to fill in the blanks, creating a mess.
JayCeeKy Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM Posted yesterday at 01:11 AM I agree that poor Nancy was probably made unalive the night of her abduction - I say "abduction" because I don't think this was a kidnapping for ransom - I suspect that her son-in-law, Tommaso Cioni (and maybe his wife Annie) were involved. He was the last person to see her alive, he was very familiar with Nancy's home and knew she didn't pay to have her security cameras record, and the guy at the front door was wearing black nitrile gloves - the kind that biologists wear in their labs (Tommaso teaches biology). I think it was noteworthy that the police have spent hours searching the Tommaso home - and have impounded his wife's (Nancy's daughter, Annie) car. Also, some have speculated about the similarity of Tommaso's band-mate, Dominic Evans (see photo below), who has a criminal record of burglary, robbery, and embezzlement. Motive: not burglary or robbery as nothing of value was taken. Nancy's estate includes her home which is currently valued at over $1 million and, if Nancy is deceased her estate is likely going to her kids. Note also that the ransom was sent to the media, not to the family (most kidnappers don't like the publicity so they deal privately with family) - so, whoever sent the ransom note wanted to make sure the media knew that kidnapping was the motive. No one has touched the bitcoin site thus far that the kidnappers wanted the ransom deposited.
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