Why don't more US escorts use encrypted messaging apps?

[+ KensingtonHomo]

10 hours ago, Colton said:

If Europe has to pick between giving up Greenland or giving up RM data, which will they pick?

yes Europe has stronger data privacy laws, but I’m not convinced RM data is completely untouchable.

They’re not giving up either. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, moonlight said:

It really is the hypothetical that nags at me.

 

1 hour ago, moonlight said:

It's like, if there's a 0.1% chance of something happening, and if it does happen it could really ruin your life, does it make sense to take some extra steps to protect yourself?

 

[Colton]

11 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

Perfect example:  As part of my day job, I meet regularly with some of the letter agencies as it relates to fraud/scams in the finance/money transmission world. They don't even open a case for anything unless the loss is over $250,000 these days. Just no resources. 

Sounds like your day job is legal or law enforcement related.  Would you need to be charged with something serious, or is the whiff of something sufficient for your employer to have some concerns?  Remember Matt Gaetz was never charged but his reputation was impacted.  

[NJF]

13 hours ago, Oakman said:

Thanks. Just read about that one. Yikes! I feel so badly for those men. But also six years ago? I don’t know much about Dawson County GA. I suppose men in rural/conservative regions have a greater need for precaution. The PD and DA in SF would never do that. 

I knew a case in Austin, Tex. The provider was sentenced to a few years of probation.

There was also a case in Maryland. The dispute between a provider and a client ended up as a charge of grand larceny for the provider and probation.  

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, NJF said:

I knew a case in Austin, Tex. The provider was sentenced to a few years of probation.

There was also a case in Maryland. The dispute between a provider and a client ended up as a charge of grand larceny for the provider and probation.  

Would using an encrypted message application have stopped either of these cases?  As you say in the 2nd case, it was a dispute between the provider and the client.  One of the two parties brought the messages to law enforcement, so an encrypted messaging app would have been pointless.

[Oakman]

3 hours ago, NJF said:

I knew a case in Austin, Tex. The provider was sentenced to a few years of probation.

There was also a case in Maryland. The dispute between a provider and a client ended up as a charge of grand larceny for the provider and probation.  

Thank you, though there isn’t much information here to google and read about these cases. 

[DznNYC]

I think this is a struggle that goes both ways too.   

Telegram has always been my preferred platform for the nitty gritty client chats.  (Maybe I should be using Signal?)  But getting clients to chat there is often like pulling teeth.  Very few seem willing to use it.  

WhatsApp is an acceptable alternative, but it requires sharing my phone number.  Which I’m certainly not squeamish about.   Until guys instead invite themselves to use iMessage instead… 🤦🏼‍♂️

It would seem that if you’re a sex work enthusiast on either side of it, you’d value the discretion.  I’m not sure if the issue is a convenience issue?  Or not understanding the value of encrypted chat?  

[moonlight]

2 hours ago, DamizzonNYC said:

It would seem that if you’re a sex work enthusiast on either side of it, you’d value the discretion.  I’m not sure if the issue is a convenience issue?  Or not understanding the value of encrypted chat?  

I think both of those, and perhaps generalized technological ineptitude.

Thanks for offering Telegram as an option.

Edited January 8 by moonlight

[NJF]

8 hours ago, Oakman said:

Thank you, though there isn’t much information here to google and read about these cases. 

Both dockets were actually in the system. Unfortunately I cannot disclose the names of the defendants. Without the name, you cannot find the case. 

[Oakman]

40 minutes ago, NJF said:

Both dockets were actually in the system. Unfortunately I cannot disclose the names of the defendants. Without the name, you cannot find the case. 

Sure Jan. 

[pubic_assistance]

10 hours ago, DamizzonNYC said:

WhatsApp is an acceptable alternative,

You should do a little quick research from the tech nerds about WhatsApp.

They steal all your information. The minute you download it to your phone it scours through everything looking for information they can sell.

 

 

[+ Alabastrine]

I'm having some trouble getting providers to communicate with me over Signal. I'm certainly not a flake or a time waster, but at the same time I understand because juggling multiple communication apps on a phone is a fucking pain in the ass. 

While I don't want to dox myself here, it suffices to say I have experience with privacy issues in the digital realm. I am also a privacy "enthusiast" of sorts since I'm well aware of what kind of data is collected day-in-day out. This makes my personal vigilance when it comes to keeping private conversations private much more heightened than others. 

Signal is the most secure app I've run across to take the place of phone texting  (phone or computer), video or voice calls; you can create a username on there if preferred to guard your phone number. For email communication I use Proton mail (I pay for the full suite of features and find it's worth it for the peace of mind:, proton calendar, proton drive) and I use OnePass - although Proton just came out with a password manager as part of their suite so I'm in the process of moving the thousands of passwords over (not fun but worth getting everything unified under one app).

I'm not sure why there aren't more people on board with guarding privacy, and it's not a lot of effort to use these apps so difficult of adoption isn't the issue. 

Edited May 26 by Alabastrine

[+ Alabastrine]

On a side note I wanted to post some resources for anyone who might be more interested in digital privacy: 

Electonic Frontier Foundation

Electronic Frontier Foundation

WWW.EFF.ORG

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[moonlight]

Yeah, I still don't understand why Signal isn't more popular. Like you @Alabastrine I like that it keeps my real number private.

I haven't figured out a way to use WhatsApp with a burner number so that's off the table for now. It's incredibly easy to obtain someone's real name if you have their actual phone number. And many of us have legitimate needs to protect our identity and privacy.

Hey, if Signal's good enough for... err, nevermind, no politics...

[+ Alabastrine]

Another item to note, while you can't have two numbers on Signal, you can install the beta version of the app and link that to a secondary number in the case you have a burner or if for some reason you don't want to use the Signal usernames. 

If memory serves they added a feature for the windows version of the app that prevents screen shots from being taken while a video call is running. 

[MikeBiDude]

1 hour ago, moonlight said:

haven't figured out a way to use WhatsApp with a burner number so

I use WhatsApp with my iPhone “Burner” app number.

[moonlight]

1 hour ago, MikeBiDude said:

I use WhatsApp with my iPhone “Burner” app number.

I've tried to do this many times and WhatsApp always rejects the number. I've also tried doing this with a "premium" Burner number and whatsapp still recognizes it as a VoIP so I'm not sure how to get around this.

[MikeBiDude]

10 hours ago, moonlight said:

I've tried to do this many times and WhatsApp always rejects the number. I've also tried doing this with a "premium" Burner number and whatsapp still recognizes it as a VoIP so I'm not sure how to get around this.

Well that’s unfortunate, I don’t remember any trick/hack to make it work? It is a premium Burner app number, I set it up on WhatsApp over 3 years ago and still working great. Maybe WhatsApp changed up vetting VoIP?

[italianboyph]

I've always used a separate number for my own privacy.

[+ JamesB]

15 hours ago, moonlight said:

I've tried to do this many times and WhatsApp always rejects the number. I've also tried doing this with a "premium" Burner number and whatsapp still recognizes it as a VoIP so I'm not sure how to get around this.

 

As far as I know, WhatsApp won’t accept VoIP numbers. Your best bet is to grab a cheap prepaid SIM card just to register the account.

[+ Alabastrine]

I was having a nice little occasional exchange of texts with a provider I'm trying to schedule with, which I have been keeping polite and also attempting to keep "clean" (rather painfully)... until the conversation could move over to signal where I'd feel more comfortable discussing certain private items. Sadly it seems like that provider isn't very motivated to communicate with me over a secure app and things have gone silent. I wonder if it's just the busy holday weekend or I've been flagged as a time waster 🥲

Edited May 28 by Alabastrine

[+ Jamie21]

I use signal, but no clients ever request to communicate via it. Most simply text, or WhatsApp or contact via RentMasseur or the other platforms I advertise on. I have a separate number and phone for my sex work. It’s much safer that way otherwise you risk sending the edit of your latest porn film to your mum or booking a client into the office google calendar ‘John, wants me to cum on his face’ Thursday 3pm 1.5 hours. 
 

[+ JamesB]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

you risk sending the edit of your latest porn film to your mum or booking a client into the office google calendar ‘John, wants me to cum on his face’ Thursday 3pm 1.5 hours.

 

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[panpanda]

What's the benefit of using encryption? I use Google voice as a burner number

[Colton]

2 hours ago, panpanda said:

What's the benefit of using encryption? I use Google voice as a burner number

The benefit is encryption.