Strictly therapeutic masseurs on gay sites - yay or nay?

[viewing ownly]

I didn't have the space to type the word "massage" in-between gay and sites, but I find it perplexing, personally. Especially with new advertisers - do they not notice the content of their competition before putting together an ad?

There are those precious few of you out there on here (and I'm sure many more who aren't on here) who would like a spa-like, completely covered, happy-ending-less experience, and seek the less than 1% who are interested in providing that kind of service. 

For me and the civilized horny male universe, I would hope for a pleasant surprise and get more out of the encounter, but have had enough massages in my lifetime to know better. A legit massage is just that. Sure, a great few might get lucky, but for most of us, they are not worth the bother to contact. And in all likelihood, they'll soon realize it's not worth advertising versus the lack of clients, and pull their ad. 

[soloyo215]

Yay for me. When I want a good massage, I have just the right providers. Also, outside of the US, there are plenty of masseurs that give you the option. They are great at both with or without the HE. It's just a matter of looking. I do like having the option if I ask for it.

[acks0104]

I mean why not? Clients get to decide what kind of massage they want and I've seen plenty of men say they were happy with a therapeutic massage. If you want something more, then you seek out something more.

[+ Jamie21]

The trouble is, clients say they just want a great therapeutic massage, but then they try to make it into a HE style during the session by either pressing their hand into my shorts, caressing my leg, or asking me to remove the towel on them and opening their legs etc….  

If you’re not paying sensual massage rates please don’t try and get a sensual or erotic style massage on the cheap…even if it’s a ‘last 5 minutes jerk off’. It’s happened too many times for me to offer that kind of massage so I stopped offering it and now do sensual/erotic only. Clients still get a great massage of course but at least the rate I’m getting reflects the content of the session. 

 

[+ Jamie21]

That’s how I do it with virtually every massage if given the option to do so by my client. I don’t start naked, they start with a towel on. It begins just like a therapeutic only massage. For example if it’s a two hour session (the best duration to do a proper job) the towel is still on him after 30 minutes, I’m still fully in shorts and top, no oil has been applied, no touch has been made to his bum or cock or anywhere near and we’re already 25% of the way through the session…..that might sound like nothing erotic has happened but that’s such a misunderstanding of the situation! There’s all sorts of cues and hints one can do to build the sexual tension 😉. Everything has happened…in his head because I’ve put it there. 

This, in my view is the best kind of session because I focus my attention on his biggest sex organ, his mind… and there’s so so much one can do there. Most guys might have had what I call a rub and tug style ‘sensual’ massage. It’s an average therapeutic massage with a jerk off. I think the majority of providers advertising do that kind of session. It’s like fast food, briefly satisfying and can serve a purpose. Sometimes clients want just that, a quick massage or even to climax in the first 10 minutes and then relax into a nice therapeutic style massage. I do those kind of ‘happy start’ sessions for a few guys who just can’t wait and can only relax once they’ve cum.

However when clients experience a proper sensual massage over 2 hours, where the masseur works their body and their mind…well that’s gourmet and after that they don’t want to go back to fast food. 

[Martin M]

This conversation between masseurs is very hot to follow. Is there a part of this forum dedicated to hot stories by the masseurs who are part of the forum? I'd love to keep on reading their sexiest experiences @Jamie21 @Simon Suraci, can u spread the word among your colleagues? Hot stuff.

[+ Jamie21]

Thanks @Martin M I’ve got some stories about my experiences on my blog on my website sensualtouchco.com. When I stop doing the work I’m going to write a book. 

[ShortCutie7]

I mean, if a 100% straight guy is hot and willing to give a massage in his underwear without it going into sensual territory, why not advertise on a gay site (as long as he makes his boundaries clear)?

[soloyo215]

5 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

The trouble is, clients say they just want a great therapeutic massage, but then they try to make it into a HE style during the session by either pressing their hand into my shorts, caressing my leg, or asking me to remove the towel on them and opening their legs etc….  

If you’re not paying sensual massage rates please don’t try and get a sensual or erotic style massage on the cheap…even if it’s a ‘last 5 minutes jerk off’. It’s happened too many times for me to offer that kind of massage so I stopped offering it and now do sensual/erotic only. Clients still get a great massage of course but at least the rate I’m getting reflects the content of the session. 

 

When I started getting massages, I didn't know much about how this is supposed to be communicated and/or negotiated, so I didn't mention HE, sensual or erotic to the provider. However, some providers offered it. My first one started rubbing my penis and asked "Is this the type of massage you're looking for?" I politely said no (not to make him feel bad), but he did offer. Same with others, even when they are sensual, some try to upsale. In other instances when I have wanted more, I have communicated it and asked how much for more during the massage, not before, but with the understanding that more services imply more pay. I say that I understand it costs more. That's how I solve the issue of little clarity.

I do know that there are one or two people who want to pay massage prices for escort services. They shouldn't do that, but in my case, in the beginning I didn't know much about any of this, so it's not always that we're all trying to get more for less. I did learn fast.

Edited December 7, 2024 by soloyo215

[Ali Gator]

WOW ! I'm getting confused myself now with this thread on what clients are looking for in sensual vs. erotic. I don't want to craw through older threads on the forum, so my quick question is - what is expected between both the masseur and client for each ?

I always thought that if I wanted a massage where both of us are nude, I can touch him (upper legs, abdomen, chest, dick, ass) and get a 'happy ending' by him, then I need to book 'erotic'.  So on this list, what is not included in 'sensual' ?

Thanks for replies in advance. 

 

[viewing ownly]

38 minutes ago, Ali Gator said:

WOW ! I'm getting confused myself now with this thread on what clients are looking for in sensual vs. erotic. I don't want to craw through older threads on the forum, so my quick question is - what is expected between both the masseur and client for each ?

I always thought that if I wanted a massage where both of us are nude, I can touch him (upper legs, abdomen, chest, dick, ass) and get a 'happy ending' by him, then I need to book 'erotic'.  So on this list, what is not included in 'sensual' ?

Thanks for replies in advance. 

 

The debate is endless as to the difference between sensual and erotic massage, but there's no denying that in a therapeutic one, there are next to no blurred lines. For some, massaging the butt is sensual. To most, unless a tongue or finger is going inside, massaging the rear end still classifies as therapeutic.

I'm happy that Simon and Jamie are chiming in here (and all others, too) - it's good to know where you're both coming from as providers. 

 

[Ali Gator]

I've hired some very hot men for erotic massages over the years, at rather affordable prices (meaning they weren't charging 'escort' prices for erotic massage). Handsome, sexy guys with unbelievable bodies. I always like to make light conversation with my providers, and after complimenting their looks and skills, usually ask if any guys only hire them for 'therapeutic'.  Many of them say yes - there is a percentage of guys who only want therapeutic, they don't want either to be nude, are not interested in mutual touch and don't want release. I can't believe some clients have such restraint with a handsome muscle guy working on them, and available to offer just about anything at all. (When I say this out loud, the masseur usually chuckles and says, 'YOU can't believe it ? How do you think I feel ?').  Some have confessed the guy on their table is hot as well, and would love for them to allow more inter-action in the appointment. 

[Monarchy79]

Big NAY.

If a provider is strictly therapeutic, then be on a general site (or create your own site), that generally confirms that the services are therapeutic only. 

But to be on a site like MasseurFinder, be scantily clothed, with pictures that allude to everything  EXCEPT for therapeutic massage is intentionally misleading. 
 

[Monarchy79]

Here’s another issue..

A lot of guys who are on  gay sites and offer only therapeutic massage, just aren’t that good at it. If they were, they wouldn’t be on those site to net clients because they wouldn’t have to. They’d be right on MASSAGEfinder, with their shirts on. 

My favorite therapeutic massage therapist is gay, has a major gay following, advertises independently, and doesn’t go near the gay sites. His clients respect his work, because he’s just that good. 

The hard truth in the massage business is that it has a lot of hustlers. Many of them are hot guys who want the cash, don’t have the skills to give a really good massage, but don’t want to escort either… so they find this “sweet spot” of innuendo, mixed with labeling themselves as therapeutic. What their clients usually end up with are false hopes + muddled expectations + a set of blue balls, which = Getting Snookered. 
 

[+ SportBud7]

@Simon Suraci and @Jamie21 

Can I be honest here for a sec with you two?  I have a ton of experience with escorts (hell, my partner is an escort!) and you probably have seen my posts around here. But I have never in my life had a genuine massage. I think it is a personal space issue but I am literally dying for one and don't know how to pick the correct provider.  Sure, I want the hottest guy in the world doing it (based on my type), I'm worried that using that criteria I will wind up with someone inexperienced or just an escort who does "massages" but doesn't know what they're doing.  

For example, this guy is smoking hot in my book and in NYC.  https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/45430/ -- but I am hesitant because, well I don't know.  I almost feel like it's the same with getting head -- I have found that some of the most unattractive guys give the best fucking head in the world and many hot guys can't suck a dick to save their lives. So with a masseur, it's almost like maybe I don't want someone hot because they aren't good at the actual massage, you know?

Based on your replies above and the replies I have seen from you both over the years here on this forum, I would hire either of you in an instant.  First, either of you in NYC? Second, if not, how do I genuinely find someone like you.  To be honest, I don't even know how I want the massage to "end" -- I really just want a good massage for my first time ever and the rest is just gravy if/when it happens.  Does that make sense? 

Help me. 

Edited December 7, 2024 by ThroatCummer

[+ Jamie21]

I’m in London. Visit London. 

[+ SportBud7]

6 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

MasseurFinder etc,,,,....................................................

That is all really good to know. Thank you. Very helpful. 

[+ SportBud7]

55 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

 I’m considering a NYC trip at some point. I’ve amassed quite a list of interested contacts. It’s not a matter of demand for me, more a logistical and economic problem to solve. Eventually I will visit.

Like I said before, my partner is an escort who travels. He is in SF right now while I write this for about 7 days. I understand managing bookings while fronting the hotel/expenses/food/etc. and not knowing what the net out will be at the end of a trip. It is a roll of the dice unless you have years long established clients in X or Y city. So yes, totally get it.  I'd love it if you made it to NYC though at some point. I'd book and even pre-pay just solely based on your writing here. That's how much respect and earned credit you get for doing this. 

[BuffaloKyle]

6 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

8)That leads me to my next point. Stop hiring based on LOOKS. Get a list of good providers together and compare them based on SKILLS. Then once you narrow your list, you can consider looks. You can’t reasonably compare the hot muscled 22 year old shirtless guy having no experience and mixed reviews with the 50 year old out of shape guy with a shirt on, tons of experience, and a great track record. It’s apples and oranges. I completely understand the desire to have a hot (often younger) guy touching you for an hour or more, and your desire to perhaps touch him too. However, you can’t reasonably expect every hot guy to be good at massages. He knows he’s hot and he’s using that against you. Prioritize skills over looks. Consider looks AFTER you have a shortlist of skilled providers. Your body and mind will thank you.

So basically you're telling us @Simon Suraci to hire the 50 year old out of shape guy and not the young adonis hunk that you are 🥵

[+ Jamie21]

19 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

11) Do you like the guy as a person? Find what you can about him online and see if you would click as human beings. Do you respect him? If he has an interview, read it. 

This one is very important. All those things @Simon Suraci said are helpful but I think this one is a must have. You’re going to get intimate with the guy you hire (you hope… if you’re hiring for a sensual massage) so you have to feel comfortable with him. Doesn’t matter if he looks like a Greek God and he’s a fabulous masseur: if his personality or behaviour makes you anxious it’s a waste of time.

If you’re hiring just for the quality of technical massage with no intention of any sensual or erotic elements then I’d say you don’t even need pictures. Just go by his or her style and qualifications. I’ve had great technical massages from masseuses and masseurs but it’s very different from a great sensual massage and I’d use very different criteria to make my selection. 

 

[jeezifonly]

@Simon Suraci

Nails it. 🤩

Due Diligence before. 

Think GBBO:

The Signature  
The Technical   
The Show Stopper

Know how you’re judging the bake. 

 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 hours ago, Ali Gator said:

I can't believe some clients have such restraint with a handsome muscle guy working on them...

Restraint is practiced throughout most of life.  My hot gay doctor examines me naked and I use restraint not to make it sexual.  Several Uber drivers are very hot and I use restraint not to grope them while they are driving.  I supervise very handsome coworkers and I use restraint not to sexually harass them either.  Such is the #MeToo world we now live in.  Long gone are the good old days of pinching a nice ass on a stranger as they walk by, or groping a coworker in the workplace, and sadly that goes for therapeutic massuers too.

[MarlowewolraM]

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

⚠️Warning: this is long.

That's the kind of warning I'm always eager to hear.

 

But on a serious note, I do want to echo @ThroatCummer and say that you and @Jamie21 (and a couple others) are doing yourself a good service by spending time on here explaining your side of things, I am definitely adding you guys to my list based on your thoughtful and genuine responses, please keep it up!

[Martin M]

12 hours ago, MarlowewolraM said:

That's the kind of warning I'm always eager to hear.

 

But on a serious note, I do want to echo @ThroatCummer and say that you and @Jamie21 (and a couple others) are doing yourself a good service by spending time on here explaining your side of things, I am definitely adding you guys to my list based on your thoughtful and genuine responses, please keep it up!

And spread the voice among colleagues who want to be direct and honest, not the ones who simulate to be clients to criticize negative reviews of real clients.

[Massageguy99]

I don't mind them being on sites and listed as therapeutic as long as it is clear what they are offering. 

 

For me personally I don't want to hire a therapeutic massage only from the two main sites on my area. Mainly because if I want a therapeutic massage I prefer a spa environment. 

Many providers in my area do not offer a spa like feel. While that is not to say it is is not a relaxing environment it is not the environment I want. 

Also cost is a factor I can and have had many Therapeutic massages in a spa setting that are cheaper than a MT offers on RM or MF. 

I do have friends who prefer to hire based on looks, being in a home rather than a business etc and who want Therapeutic only. For those people MT advertising on MF or RM are exactly what they are looking for.

On the plus side I would absolutely hire Simon or Jamie. They are just so freaking nice. Sadly in my current market the only one who fits that bill moved and retired from the industry. 

 

In another market I had 4 regulars that all got that bill of professionalism and quality.