Deportation Nation---How does this affect the hobby?

[+ keroscenefire]

First off this is not meant to be a political thread. Don't want to debate about whether immigrants are good or bad or immigration policies are good or bad.

But I think it is safe to assume that the US is about to engage in a progam to deport many migrants from this country. What I am curious about is how these policies may affect the escorts market in this country. In Denver, I would say at least half of the escorts on RM are non-American. Looking at many other cities, I think it's clear that's true in many places.

Do you think that stricter immigration policies will make it so there are less immigrant escorts or more? On the one hand, if many immigrants here legally suddenly lose their work visas, they may choose to sex work. On the other hand, many guys might think it's too risky to stay in the US and return to their home countries. 

What do you think will happen over the next few years?

[+ JamesB]

In my opinion, it will make little to no difference. Those who are deported are often quickly replaced by new migrants eager to take their place. Changes in immigration policies, no matter how strict, are unlikely to significantly impact the number of individuals willing to risk migrating illegally to the US.

The core driver of this migration isn't the policies in place but the economic and social conditions in the migrants' home countries. Poverty, unemployment, political instability, and violence create environments where individuals feel they have little choice but to seek better opportunities elsewhere, even at great personal risk. As long as these underlying issues remain unresolved, migration pressures will persist. Furthermore, many migrants view the risks of deportation or other consequences as part of the journey rather than a deterrent. For them, the potential benefits of life in the U.S. far outweigh the dangers of the journey and the uncertainties of immigration enforcement.

[Thomas_Belgium]

About a hundred years ago France introduced stricter prostitution laws. Dozens brothels opened close to the border in Belgium. Maybe this could happen in Mexico?

[marylander1940]

1 minute ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

About a hundred years ago France introduced stricter prostitution laws. Dozens brothels opened close to the border in Belgium. Maybe this could happen in Mexico?

That's already going on. Tijuana 

[+ sync]

The most impactful action will be the possible mass military troop movement to support border policing.

[+ 7829V]

5 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

About a hundred years ago France introduced stricter prostitution laws. Dozens brothels opened close to the border in Belgium. Maybe this could happen in Mexico?

There are already tons of brothels in the cities along the U.S. border. with Mexico. Actually, Tijuana boasts one of the biggest brothels in the world— Hong Kong Gentlemen’s Club. 

 

Edited November 23, 2024 by 7829V

[Ali Gator]

25 minutes ago, 7829V said:

There are already tons of brothels in the cities along the U.S. border. with Mexico. Actually, Tijuana boasts one of the biggest brothels in the world— Hong Kong Gentlemen’s Club. 

 

Now here's a destination hotel you never see given away as a 'travel package' on Wheel of Fortune ! 

[Luv2play]

I suspect if the heat is turned up on illegal immigrants who are currently escorts in the US, that they will head north to Canada. Most will have English to some extent in their favour and a fairly welcoming environment here.

Recently the Canadian government has been tightening the numbers of immigrants moving to Canada and they are saying they are prepared for an influx of asylum seekers. But recent history suggests they are not fully prepared and increased numbers will materialize. 
 

I for one will welcome them particularly the hot ones, who are currently unavailable. My experience with recently arrived escorts mostly from Latin America, is very positive. So I say, bring ‘em on!🥳

[+ keroscenefire]

In some ways I think escorting is somewhat more low-risk than other jobs where ICE might be a bit more aggresive like a big meatpacking plant or whatever where they can round up many immigrants at once. But I don't know...I can kind of see places like Texas and Florida that are already a bit strict with prostitution making it a bit harder for migrant escorts. And they way some of them travel, I think if they get pulled over in certain areas and they didn't have the right documents, that could be trouble for them. So I don't know...it definitely could have an effect. 

[+ José Soplanucas]

We are still waiting to see the logistics. I would guess (I may be wrong, we do not have actual data) most undocumented escorts work independently from their home. I think it would be very difficult to identify and drag them, specially if they reduce their out services and switch to only hosting. I imagine the biggest danger is for those undocumented workers who work outside of their homes and can be dragged from their work place or the street. The government could easily pick them up from work hubs, or from the streets specially during rush hours. 

[Colton]

20 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

About a hundred years ago France introduced stricter prostitution laws. Dozens brothels opened close to the border in Belgium. Maybe this could happen in Mexico?

More recent analogy/datapoint - Abortion clinics have opened in Mexico across the border from Texas due to their more liberal abortion laws.  

[Thomas_Belgium]

18 hours ago, sync said:

The most impactful action will be the possible mass military troop movement to support border policing.

 

According to a newspaper article about brothels "...there was a need for the entertainment for the soldier at the military airport" (quote from the mayor of Wevelgem, translated with Google). So maybe the military could attract even more sex workers to the border.

 

[+ keroscenefire]

3 hours ago, José Soplanucas said:

We are still waiting to see the logistics. I would guess (I may be wrong, we do not have actual data) most undocumented escorts work independently from their home. I think it would be very difficult to identify and drag them, specially if they reduce their out services and switch to only hosting. I imagine the biggest danger is for those undocumented workers who work outside of their homes and can be dragged from their work place or the street. The government could easily pick them up from work hubs, or from the streets specially during rush hours. 

Logistically I agree, I think ICE would more likely target larger workplaces like a slaughterhouse, hotel or construction site that employed immigrants. But I do know some escorts in Denver who also work in the construction industry so I could see them getting caught up in something. I also don't really see them doing large roadsite checks or anything like that (except maybe very close to the border). But definitely if you were pulled over for any reason, you definitely could be at risk. And maybe even busses and some other forms of transporation. I think if I were an immigrant escort I'd be very wary of travelling near the border or in Texas or Florida or another state that would likely use local law enforcement to crack down on immigrants. 

But I think if you were careful where you travelled and stayed in nicer hotels, you'd probably be fine. They're looking for the maid not the guests. 

[Thomas_Belgium]

37 minutes ago, keroscenefire said:

... I also don't really see them doing large roadsite checks or anything like that...

 

Some weeks ago I saw a TikTok about a roadsite check many miles from the border. Acoording to this site:

https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone

they can be a hundred miles from the border. Reading the news the last weeks, I have the impression there will be more of these checkpoints in the future.

[Monarchy79]

On 11/23/2024 at 10:00 AM, keroscenefire said:

First off this is not meant to be a political thread. Don't want to debate about whether immigrants are good or bad or immigration policies are good or bad.

But I think it is safe to assume that the US is about to engage in a progam to deport many migrants from this country. What I am curious about is how these policies may affect the escorts market in this country. In Denver, I would say at least half of the escorts on RM are non-American. Looking at many other cities, I think it's clear that's true in many places.

Do you think that stricter immigration policies will make it so there are less immigrant escorts or more? On the one hand, if many immigrants here legally suddenly lose their work visas, they may choose to sex work. On the other hand, many guys might think it's too risky to stay in the US and return to their home countries. 

What do you think will happen over the next few years?

This will definitely impact the business over the next few years. 

Much of their customer base didn’t think about this, when they made certain “decisions”. 😎

 

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Monarchy79

[+ PhileasFogg]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:00 AM, keroscenefire said:

 

But I think it is safe to assume that the US is about to engage in a progam to deport many migrants from this country. What I am curious about is how these policies may affect the escorts market in this country. In Denver, I would say at least half of the escorts on RM are non-American. Looking at many other cities, I think it's clear that's true in many places.

shhh, its illegal to employ illegal aliens 😂

beyond that, I can’t think of a time when I’ve encountered someone I thought was illegal. We will still have immigrants but I suspect it will be at a controlled pace favoring immigrants with attributes more favored by seekers of escorts

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

If there will be any noticeable effect on the sex industry caused by change in immigration enforcement, I suspect it will be mostly noticeable at massage parlors and on the streets where sex workers are beholdant to their employer or pimp to perform in exchange for protection to stay in this country.  I predict fewer vulnerable immigrants sex trafficked into the country; and the greatest decrease will be mostly among women and children.

The independent self-made made man who advertises on his own and sets his own rates and schedule will continue to thrive.  Speaking on behalf of an illegal alien escort close friend of mine who has been here since the late1990s and has been very successful, he said he was the most successful in the late 2010's.  He said that's when customers could afford to splurge on hiring him more often.

 

Edited November 24, 2024 by Vegas_Millennial

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

If there will be any noticeable effect on the sex industry caused by change in immigration enforcement, I suspect it will be mostly noticeable at massage parlors and on the streets where sex workers are beholdant to their employer or pimp to perform in exchange for protection to stay in this country.  I predict fewer vulnerable immigrants sex trafficked into the country; and the greatest decrease will be mostly among women and children.

The independent self-made made man who advertises on his own and sets his own rates and schedule will continue to thrive.  Speaking on behalf of an illegal alien escort close friend of mine who has been here since the late1990s and has been very successful, he said he was the most successful in the late 2010's.  He said that's when customers could afford to splurge on hiring him more often.

 

Yes, independent guys on RM will continue to thrive but cautious about travelling to certain states. I'm sure your friend also did great in the late 90's, all the way up to 2007/08 crisis and after the recovery. What can I tell you it's a recession proof career but the ups and downs do affect business.

6 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

 

But I think if you were careful where you travelled and stayed in nicer hotels, you'd probably be fine. They're looking for the maid not the guests. 

Good advice! 

 

20 hours ago, keroscenefire said:

In some ways I think escorting is somewhat more low-risk than other jobs where ICE might be a bit more aggresive like a big meatpacking plant or whatever where they can round up many immigrants at once. But I don't know...I can kind of see places like Texas and Florida that are already a bit strict with prostitution making it a bit harder for migrant escorts. And they way some of them travel, I think if they get pulled over in certain areas and they didn't have the right documents, that could be trouble for them. So I don't know...it definitely could have an effect. 

Yes, low risk but visible and easily identifiable.

CBP has already crackdown on escorts visiting USA to see clients. Gabriel Cross' phone was checked at the airport, and he was sent back home and banned from coming into the country for 10 years.

22 hours ago, Luv2play said:

I suspect if the heat is turned up on illegal immigrants who are currently escorts in the US, that they will head north to Canada. Most will have English to some extent in their favour and a fairly welcoming environment here.

Recently the Canadian government has been tightening the numbers of immigrants moving to Canada and they are saying they are prepared for an influx of asylum seekers. But recent history suggests they are not fully prepared and increased numbers will materialize. 
 

I for one will welcome them particularly the hot ones, who are currently unavailable. My experience with recently arrived escorts mostly from Latin America, is very positive. So I say, bring ‘em on!🥳

Many of the recent arrival are asylum seekers and not until their case is heard they're here legally, I wouldn't be surprised if some give up and go to Canada. Unfortunately the massive immigration and NIMBY on steroids have made life in big Canadian cities unaffordable. 

My advice to folks living here illegally:

• Avoid the Southern border and all nearby cities
• Don't take Amtrak and buses near BOTH borders, checkpoints south of the Great Lakes and even in Vermont occasionally happen.
• Fly in and out of all places you visit.

Let's hope they don't create a national "tipping/ratting" line to denounce illegal aliens.

[Thomas_Belgium]

As from Wednesday May 7th, 2025 you need a RealID or valid passport to fly so I think „Fly in and out of all places you vist“ wouldn't be an option anymore from that date.

[marylander1940]

23 minutes ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

As from Wednesday May 7th, 2025 you need a RealID or valid passport to fly so I think „Fly in and out of all places you vist“ wouldn't be an option anymore from that date.

Foreigners can fly local using a passport from their country.

[mike carey]

Papers!!

[Thomas_Belgium]

True, but government can use the info from the passports to search for people.

[marylander1940]

15 minutes ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

True, but government can use the info from the passports to search for people.

Please quote me.

I know folks overstaying their visas who fly across country with the passport of their country.

TSA checks your ID (Passport) to make sure it matches the name of the passenger, that's all! 

Edited November 25, 2024 by marylander1940

[Luv2play]

On 11/23/2024 at 10:00 AM, keroscenefire said:

First off this is not meant to be a political thread. Don't want to debate about whether immigrants are good or bad or immigration policies are good or bad.

But I think it is safe to assume that the US is about to engage in a progam to deport many migrants from this country. What I am curious about is how these policies may affect the escorts market in this country. In Denver, I would say at least half of the escorts on RM are non-American. Looking at many other cities, I think it's clear that's true in many places.

Do you think that stricter immigration policies will make it so there are less immigrant escorts or more? On the one hand, if many immigrants here legally suddenly lose their work visas, they may choose to sex work. On the other hand, many guys might think it's too risky to stay in the US and return to their home countries. 

What do you think will happen over the next few years?

I know you don’t want this thread to get political and you didn’t intend to invoke the word “pogrom” by spelling program as “progam” but when I saw what you wrote I couldn’t help but thinking of that word which denotes official or tolerated attacks on any community or group. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

7 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

As from Wednesday May 7th, 2025 you need a RealID or valid passport to fly so I think „Fly in and out of all places you vist“ wouldn't be an option anymore from that date.

Real IDs are issued to non-citizens also.  You just need proof of identity, not proof of citizenship, to obtain one.