Another Theme On Deposits

[Jarrod_Uncut]

23 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Random guys on the forum, don’t agree with you and the random guys on the forum usually don’t lie 

 

Fixed it for you 😂 

 

17 minutes ago, NJF said:

This may be a new popular scam. I experienced a similar situation. The provider asked for a deposit before providing the room number when I was in the hotel lobby. I promptly left.

As I mentioned previously, that defeats the purpose but I suppose some feel it’s safer to get them there, than to try and do it right at the start. 
 

But my thing even if they did, how would make it any more of a scam? If you’re already there, you’re there. Unless the guy sends a deposit and then disappears. But can’t see the issue based just on that. 
 

Personally though, I wouldn’t be booking hotels and then hoping clients show up. As stated, that defeats the point. At the same time, I’m less interested in what or why other guys are doing what they do. Mostly just focused on what I find works best for me, eliminates drama, avoids spending money out of pocket only to be left high and dry, etc. 
 

In quote from another sex worker:

Edited April 11 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NJF]

3 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Fixed it for you 😂 

 

As I mentioned previously, that defeats the purpose but I suppose some feel it’s safer to get them there, than to try and do it right at the start. 
 

But my thing even if they did, how would make it any more of a scam? If you’re already there, you’re there. Unless the guy sends a deposit and then disappears. But can’t see the issue based just on that. 

 

The game is the disappearing act lol. After making you traveling all the way to the hotel, the scammer thinks that he has the leverage to extract a deposit and then ghost. 

[handiacefailure]

I'd definitely leaver a bad review, but problem is provider can have them removed, that's probably how he has so many positive reviews.    

I refuse to give a deposit, I figure I'm not protected at all, just the provider.   I also hate being asked to pay upfront, but I willl, but usually the provider screws themselves, because I typically forget to tip.

That's shitty wasting your time.   Sounds like a scammer.   

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, NJF said:

The game is the disappearing act lol. After making you traveling all the way to the hotel, the scammer thinks that he has the leverage to extract a deposit and then ghost. 

 Well, I’ll just say one thing:

After all my time in the gay scene since 14 and now I’m 36: I personally don’t go visit guys in hotels unless they are paying or we’ve met before. They can come to MY hotel. I know that’s the essence of a traveling escort’s business model, but I trust myself more than I do others. And of course some clients who can’t host, don’t have an option. Nothing bad, but even when meeting for free, they can play games too.
 

That’s why awhile back I suggested to clients, don’t always rely on the escort to host…because most “scams” I’ve dealt with, even in non-monetary situations (yes you can get scammed even without money involved), have been when I’ve gone to a guy’s place. One client told me of a friend of his, who basically got “detained” by someone he met for a hookup. Story didn’t add up but still…
 

But I would have to wonder, would said escort take an Uber or drive to a client’s place and then say “I’m here, I just need a deposit 🤔 

When you know better, you do better 🤷🏾‍♂️ Also some clients think every escort is a scam. Ask for their number before booking them? You’re a Scammer. Can’t host? You’re a scammer. Ask them for a photo instead of deposit? Scammer. You’re asking for money at all? SCAMMER!!!

I can’t please the masses. I rather just work with the people who don’t have a problem with everything you ask of them. 

 

Edited April 12 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

19 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

20 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Random guys on the forum, don’t agree with you and the random guys on the forum usually don’t lie 

 

Fixed

Indeed.

I look forward to the more material representative opinion you can bring to the discussion instead of us. As well demonstration that your model is acceptable to a necessary (even if not sufficient perhaps) group of clients to make it sustainable for you. 

[JamesB]

In my opinion, the issue with deposits is that they only benefit the provider, offering no protection to the client. Deposits place all the risk on the client, creating an undesirable unilateral condition.

[DWnyc]

21 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Story didn’t add up but still…

It often doesn't.

What with fear of the law, substances legal and otherwise, discretion that one or both parties requires for whatever reason, not to mention raging hormones or financial necessity / greed, people can sometimes make what may seem like irrational choices. 

And that applies to stories and behavior from all sides. 
 

 

[Trick]

We’re talking about supply and demand.

If clients stop supplying deposits then the demand for escorts asking for deposits will be gone. 😂 

 

[Love2GetMassaged]

On 4/11/2024 at 11:40 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s bullshit. 100% bullshit. What rule derived from the nature of the business you refer to? What do you think came first, the prostitute or the client?
 

You seem to believe that clients CREATED escorting. That clients CREATED RentMen. No, the only thing that has been created by clients is stuff like review boards like this. Maybe in this realm, people can assume rules they can or won’t do. Other than that, y’all aren’t running the business either, nor making rules for how providers wish to run things. 

I’m fine with clients paying after they have received, however a deposit is not negotiable. Granted in the case of this guy, the deposit did seem to be asked a bit late. I don’t even give out my hotel name or address without a deposit. They get cross streets, where there’s likely 5 other hotels nearby. 
 

That said, unless someone posts the exchange of what occurred…who’s to say it actually happened verbatim? Something could be missing here. I find most stories here hard to believe without text message screenshots from start to finish. 

 

Thanks for letting us know about your policy so we all know - both because of your deposit policy and your sheer arrogance- that you are an escort to avoid.  

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Love2GetMassaged said:

Thanks for letting us know about your policy so we all know - both because of your deposit policy and your sheer arrogance- that you are an escort to avoid.  

According to whom? I’ve been doing deposit now way back since 2010. It used to mainly be for travel/out of area bookings. But in the last 2-3 years, I decided enough was enough of running around for last minute bookings: booking hotels out of pocket or traveling to a city…and expecting what I thought to get paid, fall thru.

There’s even been times I was in a hotel or apartment already: and mofos still didn’t show. I’m not the only one who’s stated this.

You have a lot to say about my character. Arrogant? Please. You sound misinformed. Don’t address me again. If you’re going to come with that “don’t hire him” shit, without actually reading all the good reviews I have on both RentMasseur and RentMen from clients who have sent deposits, get outta here 🥾 

 

Edited April 13 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Walt]

On 4/11/2024 at 6:44 PM, Jamie21 said:

Always takes two to make a market: demand and supply. 

And/or federal subsidies.  😉

[wayout]

1 hour ago, Love2GetMassaged said:

Thanks for letting us know about your policy so we all know - both because of your deposit policy and your sheer arrogance- that you are an escort to avoid.  

It is one of the benefits of this forum that when a provider participates in an open and honest way we get a real sense of the things (such as deposits and their approach to being hired) that matter to them and how they approach the business they are in. 

While someone will avoid this provider because of those things that he has stated in his posts, others will find it refreshing and interesting to engage them (to each their own).  Love2GetMassaged is clear that he would not hire Jarrod_Unut, and that is obviously his prerogative.  For myself, knowing the way he approaches his business and the model he uses, I am of the opposite view.  I don't perceive his posts as arrogant but rather as someone who is confident in the way he approaches being a provider that suits his business model and I respect that. 

Everyone, client and provider, has the opportunity to engage or not based on whatever criteria they choose.  Each of us makes our own rules, choices and decisions.  From that point we move on one way or another.  

[CuriousArtist]

On 4/11/2024 at 8:02 AM, PileDriver said:

HungArabic. A player and scam artist.

Damn sorry this happened to you. I met with him a few weeks ago in LA and had a bad experience as well (we did end up doing the deed but the road to get there was very rocky... at one point, I thought he was going to beat my ass. Can share more details if people want).

He's also on hella steroids (I saw them in his hotel bathroom) so that's probably affecting his mood and decision making.

[FunGuyUS]

On 4/11/2024 at 12:11 PM, PileDriver said:

he presented so well until...

I had a very nice conversation with him via text, request for deposit never came up. Timing didn’t work out and could not meet.  Glad I didn’t 

[rvwnsd]

Moderator's Warning: Stick to the topic (a provider who requested a deposit when the client was in the lobby) and stop the bickering. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, wayout said:

Everyone, client and provider, has the opportunity to engage or not based on whatever criteria they choose.  Each of us makes our own rules, choices and decisions.  From that point we move on one way or another.  

Thanks very much. And that’s what it’s all about. The right to free will and designing their business as they see fit, without being labelled as anything but…a confident person who may have strategized timelessly, to figure out how they wish to do things. 
 

It’s been so many times a potential client refers to an escort (including myself every so often) as “a scam” or scammer. I remember one time, a client accused me of being a scammer because he texted the number on my ad, but when I replied it was a different number (I was experimenting with having a separate advertising number, but hadn’t finished setting up the account so I got the message, but it replied from my number). I’m like excuse me? You don’t even know me. In reality, he probably already thought I was a scammer from get go. He just wanted to find any reason to validate his assumption. Aka: timewaster.

I think too often, people on the forum side too much with the “client gets nothing, only the escort benefits”. Not true. Well who benefits when the client flakes out, only the client? No, nobody benefits. 
 

Even if a provider’s timing of asking for deposit seems “unconventional”, there’s still no proof that he’s a scammer. Like I say, for me I found it best to just say it in my ads and my rentmen autoreply. I no longer show my number, because I got tired of people bum rushing me to meet last minute, but then not want to send a deposit.

I stay 60 MILES from the city area where most of my clients come from. On top of that, I often have to travel 3-5 hours to the next city/state to earn a “check”, because majority of guys in my city don’t want to pay. Or they aren’t gay to begin with.
 

What kind of fool would I be, if I were to do these bookings without deposits? Getting dressed, running out, booking rooms etc when only a percentage of those clients a week may actually be serious. Not to mention all the “my wife/son/roommate came home” guys who would likely cancel on me if I didn’t take deposits (which has happened many times, which is why I had to revert to deposits in the first place).

It just makes me so annoyed that people here continue to find reasons to make it seem like deposits should not be asked, for all providers. It’s sad. It’s really sad, and it needs to stop. 
 

People hiring escorts, even if they don’t want to give anything up front, at the very least ACKNOWLEDGE and respect it, and offer a viable alternative (occasionally I’ll have clients agree to meet and give me the deposit outside in the parking lot…but they have to get to the destination first and wait for me to get there)…

In the case of the guy in the lobby being asked for a deposit, again…I don’t know the circumstances of it without a screen shot. Did you previously no show on him? Have you been placed on the naughty list for faking appointments with other providers? 

Edited April 13 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ goosh69]

On 4/11/2024 at 11:40 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s bullshit. 100% bullshit. What rule derived from the nature of the business you refer to? What do you think came first, the prostitute or the client?
 

You seem to believe that clients CREATED escorting. That clients CREATED RentMen. No, the only thing that has been created by clients is stuff like review boards like this. Maybe in this realm, people can assume rules they can or won’t do. Other than that, y’all aren’t running the business either, nor making rules for how providers wish to run things. 

I’m fine with clients paying after they have received, however a deposit is not negotiable. Granted in the case of this guy, the deposit did seem to be asked a bit late. I don’t even give out my hotel name or address without a deposit. They get cross streets, where there’s likely 5 other hotels nearby. 
 

That said, unless someone posts the exchange of what occurred…who’s to say it actually happened verbatim? Something could be missing here. I find most stories here hard to believe without text message screenshots from start to finish. 

 

I’ve NEVER paid a deposit and 99% of providers don’t ask for them. Even the high end ones who are models and reality stars and Instagram influencers who won’t show their faces in rentmen. Of whom I’ve seen many.  You’re quite delusional.

Edited April 13 by goosh69

[Jarrod_Uncut]

18 minutes ago, goosh69 said:

I’ve NEVER paid a deposit and 99% of providers don’t ask for them. Even the high end ones who are models and reality stars and Instagram influencers who won’t show their faces in rentmen. Of whom I’ve seen many.  You’re quite delusional.

No, YOU are quite delusional…and I know you’re lying 🤥 because, if that was the case, why does this same topic keep coming up over and over on the forum?

Reality stars, Instagram influencers and people who don’t show their face? And?They probably don’t do deposits because it’s an occasional thing for them. You name dropping celebrities…those celebrities don’t pay my bills. Could I call them up and ask for money if a $500 appointment fell thru? Hell no.

And don’t try to fool me with that Instagram celebrity bullshit. I had to send a guy $$ the other week, because he said he was having financial issues. Since he helped me make a video on my website (which is very hot btw 😆, I didn’t hesitate because I know I could expect some sales from the content we did.

 

Edited April 13 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Trick]

Scammers like those from the OP’s experience are emboldened because they know clients will send deposits.  Every client in this forum should be advised and warned NEVER to send deposits.

[Marc in Calif]

1 hour ago, wayout said:

It is one of the benefits of this forum that when a provider participates in an open and honest way we get a real sense of the things (such as deposits and their approach to being hired) that matter to them and how they approach the business they are in. 

Don't forget that we also "get a real sense" of a provider's attitude, personality, and behavior -- including politeness or rudeness. 

[Archangel]

I will give a deposit if I get a good vibe. And sense of a bad vibe, nope. I’ve been screwed over giving money up front more than once. No more. 

[Trick]

6 minutes ago, Archangel said:

I will give a deposit if I get a good vibe. And sense of a bad vibe, nope. I’ve been screwed over giving money up front more than once. No more. 

Just a word of warning, scammers are very good at giving off good vibes.  Sometimes it scares me when the initial reply is “Hey babe, what’s up?”

Edited April 13 by Trick

[rvwnsd]

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