Can you achieve the American dream escorting?

[marylander1940]

Related to this other thread but here for escorts to share their opinions and personal experiences.

The real question is also whether escorting now when is SO competitive is still a way to achieve the American dream as long as you save money?

 

[Thomas_Belgium]

For Americans, non-Americans or both?

[marylander1940]

10 minutes ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

For Americans, non-Americans or both?

Both!

I've met escorts who retired with nothing saved while I know others who bought a home, helped their families, etc. 

Edited December 2, 2023 by marylander1940

[Thomas_Belgium]

Americans in the US: yes.

Foreigners: (probably) NO.
One would have explain a lot before immigration. Some months ago I tried to find out more about the topic, it seemed very complicated, especially if English isn't ones first language. Even if a foreigner got through that, one would have a good knowledge of the "US market". 

[+ nycman]

Depends on the American.

Depends on the Escort.

Depends on the Dream. 

But largely my answer would be….Yes!

[pubic_assistance]

43 minutes ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Americans in the US: yes.

Foreigners: (probably) NO.

Especially when you have men sharing their happy success in where to travel to get a massage and a blow job for US$50

[Guest]

1 hour ago, nycman said:

Depends on the American.

Depends on the Escort.

Depends on the Dream. 

But largely my answer would be….Yes!

Agreed. Best response I've read yet 👏🏼 🏆 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

The real question is also whether escorting now when is SO competitive is still a way to achieve the American dream as long as you save money?

The answer is  YES. 
 

"Can you achieve the American dream escorting?"

The answer is absolutely YES.

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

1 hour ago, marylander1940 said:

I've met escorts who retired with nothing saved while I know others who bought a home, helped their families, etc. 

Sounds like this is the answer right here.

The same answer applies to every career.  It's not about how much you earn; it's about how much you keep.

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, nycman said:

Depends on the American.

Depends on the Escort.

Depends on the Dream. 

But largely my answer would be….Yes!

Depends on his choices. So many pornstars have died of overdose or simply spent all  their money without investing it thinking that income will last forever. 

29 minutes ago, Vegas_Millennial said:

Sounds like this is the answer right here.

The same answer applies to every career.  It's not about how much you earn; it's about how much you keep.

Yes, every career but there's something about what we called "easy money"... 

Escorting is certainly a great way to put yourself through college for example. Obviously not all students have the looks and skills to do the job or live in a place where they can do it discreetly. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

I'm sure that really hot escorts who became "kept boys" or married achieved it. EDIT Or escorts that were lucky enough to receive some inheritance from a client, a well-paying job, or even a business.

With the speed at which escorts depreciate, I understand it's near-impossible to work long enough to achieve that on your own. I've met my share of providers who thought they'd live leisurely after working between age 18 and 25, but weren't able to.

There's always the jet-set call boys, but that requires not only looks and a good body, but a good education as well. And they depreciate too. Remember what Andrew Cunanan ended up doing.

Edited December 3, 2023 by DrownedBoy
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[Daniel84]

I have only been escorting for 2-3 years and I'm living the American dream. I opened a portrait studio, bought a 3b/2.5 bath in Brazil , have a great car and lovely husband. Soon I will stop advertising and only keep select clients and continue with my other business. 

I see a lot of escort friends that have nothing saved, travel hotel to hotel and just think about today and not tomorrow. 

[maninsoma]

55 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm sure that really hot escorts who became "kept boys" or married achieved it. EDIT Or escorts that were lucky enough to receive some inheritance from a client, a well-paying job, or even a business.

With the speed at which escorts depreciate, I understand it's near-impossible to work long enough to achieve that on your own. I've met my share of providers who thought they'd live leisurely after working between age 18 and 25, but weren't able to.

There's always the jet-set call boys, but that requires not only looks and a good body, but a good education as well. And they depreciate too. Remember what Andrew Cunanan ended up doing.

What is the speed at which escorts depreciate?   There are definitely escorts who post here who have been in the business for over a decade, if not two decades.  There are escorts who didn't even start their careers until after 40.

Based on someone I know and the impression I have from some long-time escorts here, the answer is that it's possible to be a very successful escort and invest one's money wisely.  That takes more than just being willing to be hired by clients, though.  Despite some people believing this is "easy money," to actually build a business (and the truly successful escorts have clients who hire them regularly) requires providing an experience so good that the clients keep returning instead of just moving on to the next new guy advertising in their area.

[pubic_assistance]

11 hours ago, maninsoma said:

What is the speed at which escorts depreciate ?

Clearly that's a case-by-case issue.

I know men who were gorgeous at 20 and gross by 30. Conversely one of my high school friends was a skinny little weasel at 19 and is now a strikingly handsome 53 year old. 

Everybody ages differently.

This is just MY opinion but I think in general it helps in the escort market if a guy increases his interest in kink-play as he loses that youthful beauty. Additional skills can make up for the decreasing eye-candy factor.

[marylander1940]

17 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm sure that really hot escorts who became "kept boys" or married achieved it. EDIT Or escorts that were lucky enough to receive some inheritance from a client, a well-paying job, or even a business.

With the speed at which escorts depreciate, I understand it's near-impossible to work long enough to achieve that on your own. I've met my share of providers who thought they'd live leisurely after working between age 18 and 25, but weren't able to.

There's always the jet-set call boys, but that requires not only looks and a good body, but a good education as well. And they depreciate too. Remember what Andrew Cunanan ended up doing.

To be honest with you being in a sugar daddy situation is nothing but the illusion of wealth for the kept man.. unless he gets a certain amount of money, properties, etc. even if he is n the will it could be changed with just a signature.

Let's remember "Behind the candelabra" and its depiction of a famous relationship of this kind between Liberace and his boy.

I don't know the specifics of those18 to 25 providers, not everyone can be a millionaire in Only Fans but some do, they were certainly making most money than regular 18-25 guys but somehow they didn't save it. 

PNP unfortunately has a lot to do with escorts retiring penniless! 

 

Edited December 3, 2023 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

14 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

I have only been escorting for 2-3 years and I'm living the American dream. I opened a portrait studio, bought a 3b/2.5 bath in Brazil , have a great car and lovely husband. Soon I will stop advertising and only keep select clients and continue with my other business. 

I see a lot of escort friends that have nothing saved, travel hotel to hotel and just think about today and not tomorrow. 

Certainly investing in a 3rd world country to retire there is a great way to save for the future. 

Also here the Feds are constantly inquiring about the origin of the money and obviously going after the little guy. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

16 hours ago, Daniel84 said:

I have only been escorting for 2-3 years and I'm living the American dream. I opened a portrait studio, bought a 3b/2.5 bath in Brazil , have a great car and lovely husband. Soon I will stop advertising and only keep select clients and continue with my other business. 

I see a lot of escort friends that have nothing saved, travel hotel to hotel and just think about today and not tomorrow. 

There's a really big difference between living the American dream and sustaining the American dream. (FOOTNOTE 1)

The younger escorts I mentioned, although they live well, they realized that they couldn't save up enough money to sustain themselves at the end of their lives. Some are still in denial, knowing they're starting to expire, but having no desire to go to work or school.

Even the ones who want to return to Columbia or Mexico won't be able to make 10 years of profit last an entire lifetime, unless they get lucky and invest their money right. Or start a business.

Escorts who have a job or side business are in a much better and realistic position. I'm learning that when I hire  - working men are a lot easier for me to relate to, since I'm decades away from retiring. They also act a hell of a lot less entitled.

 

FOOTNOTE 1 - Although I use that phrase, the "American dream" is largely dead if you want to live in the states. Not until they construct a social safety web and create universal health care.

[Daniel84]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Certainly investing in a 3rd world country to retire there is a great way to save for the future. 

Also here the Feds are constantly inquiring about the origin of the money and obviously going after the little guy. 

I actually deposit all of my money I make into my business accounts and pay taxes. I have tons of write-offs so I don't have to pay that much. I spent on hotels over 25k last year. 

I also have a Roth IRA and stocks ect. 

I love Brazil hence why my husband is Brazilian:-)

[marylander1940]

On 12/3/2023 at 2:35 PM, Daniel84 said:

I actually deposit all of my money I make into my business accounts and pay taxes. I have tons of write-offs so I don't have to pay that much. I spent on hotels over 25k last year. 

I also have a Roth IRA and stocks ect. 

I love Brazil hence why my husband is Brazilian:-)

Thank you for honest reply and for the record in no way I was suggesting escorts wouldn't follow the law, especially considering those who like you are savvy and take time to study the system.  

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 12/3/2023 at 1:35 PM, Daniel84 said:

I actually deposit all of my money I make into my business accounts and pay taxes. I have tons of write-offs...

This is the way.  Deposit/declare.  Make it as legitimate as possible and you've just turned something fringe into something very normal.

Besides, if you're doing it right, you'll need to deposit it somewhere as that kind of cash quickly becomes a liability. 

Once you prove to banks that you're a good risk, the barriers come down.  All of them.  Then, it's up to an escort to diversify his portfolio and figure out which banks he wants long term relationships with.  I always suggest a mix of big box, credit unions and private banks.

And as to write-offs, they're amazing as long as you don't get too greedy.  I've seen people go too far and end up getting an audit.

[+ overeasy]

The old adage in the accounting/tax world is "Pigs get fed, Hogs get slaughtered".......

[rojjodc]

Well apparently, at least some do!  And I think he is originally from the Ukraine!

 

 

[Thomas_Belgium]

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[SouthOfTheBorder]

On 12/3/2023 at 3:12 AM, maninsoma said:

What is the speed at which escorts depreciate?   There are definitely escorts who post here who have been in the business for over a decade, if not two decades.  There are escorts who didn't even start their careers until after 40.

this all true.  However, that’s not the typical provider career trajectory 

Just go to RM (or similar) and sort by age: majority are less than 30 yrs old or they claim to be less.  The number of providers drops off significantly after age 30 and again after 40.  There are very few 40 - 50 and almost none over 50.  This isn’t disrespect for older providers…it’s just the facts based on online resources.  I prefer providers over 35 and am very familiar how few there are, depending on location.

And stands to reason if there are very few working guys over age 40, then very few have made it a longterm successful career & were able to completely retire. 

On the flip side, the guys over 40 in my experience, tend to be more professional, serious & treat the job as a real career.  If someone approaches their work that way and is careful with their money, then entirely possible to retire. 

I think the markets are flooded with young guys thinking being a provider is easy money & try it for a while until they move on to something else. Or they figure out it’s not easy money and it’s not a good fit for their skill sets.   I’ve known some that have traditional jobs or in school and only do it part-time for extra income.

The guys who are true professionals and do this work long-term are few & far between.  My sense is those are the guys you go when you want to be guaranteed a great experience.

[maninsoma]

45 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

this all true.  However, that’s not the typical provider career trajectory 

Just go to RM (or similar) and sort by age: majority are less than 30 yrs old or they claim to be less.  The number of providers drops off significantly after age 30 and again after 40.  There are very few 40 - 50 and almost none over 50.  This isn’t disrespect for older providers…it’s just the facts based on online resources.  I prefer providers over 35 and am very familiar how few there are, depending on location.

And stands to reason if there are very few working guys over age 40, then very few have made it a longterm successful career & were able to completely retire. 

On the flip side, the guys over 40 in my experience, tend to be more professional, serious & treat the job as a real career.  If someone approaches their work that way and is careful with their money, then entirely possible to retire. 

I think the markets are flooded with young guys thinking being a provider is easy money & try it for a while until they move on to something else. Or they figure out it’s not easy money and it’s not a good fit for their skill sets.   I’ve known some that have traditional jobs or in school and only do it part-time for extra income.

The guys who are true professionals and do this work long-term are few & far between.  My sense is those are the guys you go when you want to be guaranteed a great experience.

I'm certainly not denying your facts.  In fact in San Francisco on Rentmen currently there are:

6 pages of ads for escorts claiming to be 30 or younger.

5 pages of ads for guys claiming to be 30-40 years old; 3 pages of that are men 35 and under, 2 pages men 35-40.

1 1/2 pages for men aged 40-50.

And less than one full page from age 50 on up.

I think my point is that while this industry certainly favors younger guys, and many guys who do this when they are young adults don't stay in the industry for very long, there certainly is a market for older men providing they not only have qualities that still appeal to their client base but also know how to provide an experience satisfying enough that they have repeat clients.