With everything gone up, are people expecting escort prices to go down

[DWnyc]

2 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

The only challenge to that is that in most free markets all the players have good information on price and product. Because in the US the product is largely illegal that does mean the market can’t operate as efficiently as it might otherwise do. For example rates aren’t freely visible, nor is the product. This gives some opportunity for the price to be manipulated. 

There’s another side to this. You can usually start talking rates with someone within 3-4 texts and that can take as little as a minute. I know you run a very professional operation in a different legal system but even if it was all clear in the US I think there would be some ambiguity and room for flexibility that was market (not secrecy) driven

Word does get around fast … if know people who for instance keep tabs on which providers are less or more friendly to something relevant to them (eg age, body type, race etc) and you won’t find that on anyone’s own advertisement for themselves. 

[jeezifonly]

The main reason it’s difficult to compare the Business of Pleasure to other business models, is that there’s only one thing about it that is subjective: there are 60 minutes in an hour. 

[+ DrownedBoy]

6 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

The only challenge to that is that in most free markets all the players have good information on price and product. Because in the US the product is largely illegal that does mean the market can’t operate as efficiently as it might otherwise do. For example rates aren’t freely visible, nor is the product. This gives some opportunity for the price to be manipulated. 

Yes, and this gives rise to younger escorts charging that 500/hr because they think they're worth that much. More proof that the younger generation is getting attracted to socialistic thinking, and ignoring human nature (otherwise known as capitalism).

It's already been established that, in countries where prostitution is legal, prices are much cheaper. I believe this is because of two things. First, clients are more likely to hire, since there's no legal penalty, and prices/pictures are more transparent (it would be a lot easier to take action against an escort who cheats you, for example). Second, there will be an influx of providers even at this lower rate, since legal sex work has a lower barrier to entry, and in my U.S. experiences, often attracts men who don't want a 9-5 job (which pretty much describes every single man on Earth  ).

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, DrownedBoy said:

Yes, and this gives rise to younger escorts charging that 500/hr because they think they're worth that much. More proof that the younger generation is getting attracted to socialistic thinking, and ignoring human nature (otherwise known as capitalism).

 

 

[newdad]

Some things remain the same: "$20 is $20"

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 10/9/2023 at 12:59 PM, The Big Guy said:

While I am not looking for a price cut I would only observe that a review of Rent Masseur and Rent Men show more ads in the Houston market than I have ever seen before.  I think this is a bigger factor. 

 

This is definitely a factor I know. The amount of provider ads have gone up, and I believe that’s partially because unlike 2008-2016 era: there’s no Craigslist or backpage for entry level or lower priced guys to start out on. It used to be a distinct difference between RentBoy, M4RN and Backpage: Upscale, midgrade, regular. Now, RentM has basically become the platform for everyone. Of course there’s others like Mintboys and a couple others, but they still don’t even have the traffic CL and backpage used to get. And the ads are often weird, very vague: which also attracts tons of Timewasters and off-gay clients. 

But, I try to advertise much as possible and free advertising I can’t complain about. Otherwise yes, a lot of guys seem to be driven into sex work, which is why I said before: I try to steer clear of the big cities because it’s too many guys all trying to do the same thing. But even the medium markets like Kansas City are starting to get overcrowded, yet there’s nobody paying shit. They’re all on these hookup apps talking about how much they don’t pay for sex.

It’s like…sad to me that some people actually have to write that in their profile. If they have to write that, they should be paying for sex, since they brought it up first ☝️ 
 

19 hours ago, viewing ownly said:

Escort and masseur donations are higher BECAUSE people's wages are higher. I very much disagree with the reason rates go lower are due to someone's age for demand. It is obvious to any provider, regardless of age, if you take care of your body and look more appealing, your level of clients will increase. Plus, and this is wonderful news to report, the younger generation has really come to drop the "he's too old for me" stereotype. I feel the popularity of older / younger sex in porn has a great deal to do with that.

If I were 25 (and I very much am not), why would I want to hire a guy my age asking for 2 large who looks great, but is likely cocky and unpleasant, when I could see a guy twice his age who looks equally as fit who is about 50 less and hour, and almost certainly a more enjoyable experience?

You’re right, and I discussed this before. For anyone to say older escorts can’t be equally valued: is basically discrediting the majority of escorts on this forum since many are over 30 and even 40 years old.

And that…deserves a visit from Will Smith. Keep my age, out your f-ing mouth 👋🏽 lol

And I’ve said before, I feel I’m hornier and more desirable now than in my 20s. And my friends are the same, some are jerking off multiple times a day..and I’m like, I can’t: I gotta save it for a client lol. 

19 hours ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Hi Jarrod,

If you get a pay per call/text phone number, I'm sure you will get rid of these "bargain hunters" or whatever you want to call them.

Thanks. But it’s not so much just my number. Lot of it is coming thru emails and DMs on Adam4Adam. Such as this:

 

I’m like okay, he not even looking for a pro. He just trying to give somebody gas money. That’s not even a rate, and not even something for me to entertain. But I’ve said it before, Adam 4 Adam “clients” can be a workload. I keep the platform because it gives the chance to see  potential client profiles, but too many of them are just not educated on prices.

 

18 hours ago, Marc in Calif said:

And what are bisexual men hunting? 🎯

Well if you ask me: one of my longest regs liked to suck dick and get fucked, then go hunting for Elk 🦌 and Bear 🐻 in Alaska 😆 

Goes to show certain people need to drop the stereotypes ☝️ 

17 hours ago, DWnyc said:

But then why is the older guy in your example, all other things being equal or better, per your framing,  $50 cheaper? That’s the market reflecting his value to the customer base, which includes young but also old(er).

And newsflash, the age of “daddy” as self-described in online profiles is coming down alarmingly where even those in their early 30s talk of themselves that way (probably as they seek those in their late teens). I think I would be a grandfather by those definitions. 

And not sure the average 25 year old hiring is representative - depending on the data points you’re referencing. Who at that age can hire regularly? Maybe a cheaper option helps 🥹

 

I been called daddy but I don’t go for no late teens ☝️ Early 20s maybe…

16 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

I don't think anyone expects "honorariums" to go down with respect to our work.... if anything one could make a strong argument that most feel the rates would also go up like everything else.  Personally, I haven't adjusted my fees because of the current inflation trends but I wouldn't be surprised if others have. It would never EVER cross my mind to ask someone for gas ⛽️ money ( I drive to Palm Springs at least twice a week and Los Angeles at least 2 times a month, San Diego once a month....  ) almost everyone I see gives me 💯 bucks extra for gas and I always tell them it's certainly appreciated but not necessary... I take it upon myself to make ALL my trips worth my while, never putting the onus on any one person. Everyone operates in their own way and I have my way of doing things. 

I know that’s well intentioned but: I should just address this from my own perspective. Its great that you can afford to make such trips, and perhaps you don’t require gas money if you’re already in the area…or have other means to cover it. 
 

However, in my case: it’s not about gas money. When I ask clients for deposits, it’s not always that I can’t afford my own way or don’t have the means. However, I like to set a precedent from the start that my time is valuable, and it begins BEFORE the session starts.
 

The concessions to drive, rearrange even simple plans with my day, spend money on hotels to host (and you’ve said previously you don’t really have to get a hotel to host clients because they host you, right?): all that is time and money spent.
 

I’ve given examples before, there are some insidious people out there who don’t care or value the time and money I spend to see them. Therefore I won’t waste my time or resources going to visit them. IF and when they become a regular client: usually then I’ll offer to meet without asking for deposit.

I even wrote a line on my website: I’m NO LONGER able to provide free outcalls and pay for hotels out of pocket, without a deposit to confirm. Even if they have to mail it to my P.O. Box. And that’s just to further emphasize: I used to be able to do it, but now: I’m not willing to do it. I’ve been in the game since 2008, and I’ve had times I’ve driven long distances or booked rooms for bookings and chanting; “hope he doesn’t cancel, hope he doesn’t cancel”. Sometimes it worked out, other times it didn’t.

And when it didn’t, guess who I had to call to give me the $250-$300-$400 that I lost? Nobody. So now, I don’t take chances anymore. I don’t want to, there’s no reason I should need to. I can’t see how $50-$100 is going to kill someone, especially if like you say: they give it to you anyway. 
 

And in the free sex world: half these guys don’t even offer gas money at all. That’s why I rarely give them the time of day. Unless they are within close range of me, like less than 5 miles: I won’t bother. Because I’ve had too many guys, have me waste my gas to see them, and pull some shady shit at some point.
 

The last one, and the last time: I drove 90 miles to see him, spent the night: and had to leave again the next morning at 6:45 a.m. because he couldn’t trust me to stay while he went to work. And we met each other 3-4 times. I was like, I might as well stayed home 🤷🏾‍♂️ that was $30 of gas right there, just to be inconvenienced.
 

We had a good time, but it was completely soured by the fact I had to get up and do that drive all over again, after I only had 3 hours of sleep 👎🏾 
 

15 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

The escort market is arguably one of the most free markets in the world.  No rules. No restrictions. No licenses. No anything.

 

 

In the world, or in the United States? Didn’t we just have a discussion about

1. RentM taking down our nudes?

2. And we can’t post rates on many sites.

3. Can’t advertise services on the street

4. PayPal closes sex suspected accounts

5. Can’t get a business license as “sex worker” to begin with, it doesn’t exist

6. sex work only legal in select counties in Nevada, not Las Vegas/Clark county

7. Texas just made portions of the industry a felony 

8. Certain states regularly runs stings

9. can’t advertise as escort on Grindr/scruff/jack’d where majority gay men cruise for sex

10. Sex work is excluded in the terms of many card/app companies TOS.

So…remind me again, what free market you’re referring to again? Last thing we need is for people to sugarcoat the under-protections the industry has. There needs to be a continued activism to decriminalize and de-stigmatize it on multiple levels. 

14 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

Yes BUT.... the price of alcohol nearly quadrupled after the 18th amendment act went into effect... same can be said  about  marijuana becoming legal... dropped prices due to commoditization. It may not be as easy here in the USA but there's a flip side to what you said. 

I’m not versed on the alcohol part, but as far as marijuana goes: I have seen what it did in Colorado. It made a lot of people wealthy but at the same time, brought out too many dispensaries. The city is chock full of them on every corner, moreso than liquor stores it seems. What used to be something like a hardware store or fast food place, is a weed store. It’s just really gave Denver a sorta “smokers” haven. I don’t smoke like that so I’m not an expert on it…

However, it did bring about a “commerce” of sorts. The prices stabilized and were “justified” and expected. Meanwhile, more escorts started posting in Denver, and the whole market is trash 🚮 right now.

After my last trip to Denver in August, told myself I will not go back there again unless I have a $1,000 client.  I know there’s a local poster from Denver here on the forum, but the majority others have become rude, timewasting, unreliable. I had 0 clients during the 3 days I was there, and basically threw away 🚮 money I had made in another city.
 

That was an example of a city I went to and didn’t get gas money from anyone: hoping when I got there I would book people, but ended up having to suffer with the setback. That’s why I don’t bother seeing anyone who can’t send a deposit. Too many guys from the sites lie, and have tons of bad reports from other escorts. So I think everyone, clients and escorts: has to accept not everyone is going to deal the same.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

Jerrod, respectfully, I think you missed my point on what happens to the prices in  things when outlawed  and when legalized. I was referring to our business making comparisons to the prohibition of alcohol and the legalization of marijuana where prices did change dramatically.  I only attempted to answer your question posed in this post.... I'll say it again, I dont think people expect "escort prices to go down"  I simply provided an example of what could cause that to occur but I don't see sex work being legalized and regulated in this country anytime soon. 
I'm sincere... I might be a lot of things but disingenuous isn't one of them... I'm really sorry you have such a tough time in the business of pleasure. I know those people exist who are driving you crazy, but there are far better methods to dealing with them and not dealing with them. I've read both your  last 2 recent threads that became lengthy..... I did see your reason for frustration but I also saw a lot of sound advice  being doled.  For as many flakes and people who waste your time, there are far more to learn from, at least that's been my experience and continues to be. The people I've met in this capacity, many have become "voices of reason" for me. 

[+ Pensant]

20 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

I don't think anyone expects "honorariums" to go down with respect to our work.... if anything one could make a strong argument that most feel the rates would also go up like everything else.  Personally, I haven't adjusted my fees because of the current inflation trends but I wouldn't be surprised if others have. It would never EVER cross my mind to ask someone for gas ⛽️ money ( I drive to Palm Springs at least twice a week and Los Angeles at least 2 times a month, San Diego once a month....  ) almost everyone I see gives me 💯 bucks extra for gas and I always tell them it's certainly appreciated but not necessary... I take it upon myself to make ALL my trips worth my while, never putting the onus on any one person. Everyone operates in their own way and I have my way of doing things. 

That’s well put. And I’m going to start using “honorarium” myself!

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Pensant said:

That’s well put. And I’m going to start using “honorarium” myself!

Thank you 🙏🏽. 👌🏽👍🏽 It's a bit softer on the ears and easier on the eyes 👀 😜

[MikeBiDude]

2 hours ago, Pensant said:

That’s well put. And I’m going to start using “honorarium” myself!

How many Gen z's won't know what it means 😂

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

How many Gen z's won't know what it means 😂

Sadly, people that don't read enough or rub elbows with incredibly brilliant "uncles" 😉

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, MikeBiDude said:

How many Gen z's won't know what it means 😂

This Millennial recalls watching a TV show where "honorarium" was used to describe the fee you pay to a clergyman to conduct a marriage.

Interesting new usage.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

This Millennial recalls watching a TV show where "honorarium" was used to describe the fee you pay to a clergyman to conduct a marriage.

Interesting new usage.

Technically and legally speaking with respect to men of the night,in this country, it's a great use of a very old word. An honorarium is a voluntary payment that is given to a person for services for which fees are not legally or traditionally required. 🤣🤪

Edited October 11, 2023 by Vin_Marco

[Jarrod_Uncut]

11 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

Jerrod, respectfully, I think you missed my point on what happens to the prices in  things when outlawed  and when legalized. I was referring to our business making comparisons to the prohibition of alcohol and the legalization of marijuana where prices did change dramatically.  I only attempted to answer your question posed in this post.... I'll say it again, I dont think people expect "escort prices to go down"  I simply provided an example of what could cause that to occur but I don't see sex work being legalized and regulated in this country anytime soon. 
I'm sincere... I might be a lot of things but disingenuous isn't one of them... I'm really sorry you have such a tough time in the business of pleasure. I know those people exist who are driving you crazy, but there are far better methods to dealing with them and not dealing with them. I've read both your  last 2 recent threads that became lengthy..... I did see your reason for frustration but I also saw a lot of sound advice  being doled.  For as many flakes and people who waste your time, there are far more to learn from, at least that's been my experience and continues to be. The people I've met in this capacity, many have become "voices of reason" for me. 

Thanks, but yes I did catch your point. And I concur with the accuracy of such. Sorry I got off on a tangent there for a moment. 

I should probably clarify, this was another “tongue in cheek” type of thread that I know the answer, but it was more a hypothetical question. I know rates aren’t going to go down, at least not for the foreseeable. Even where it is legal, like in areas of Nevada: it’s way more than $200 and $300. If anything it would have the effect of alcohol, as you mentioned. Or lobster 🦞, which was once considered sailor scraps.

 

As for being frustrated in a business of pleasure: I must clarify it’s not the business. It’s the lack of quality and accountable clients that are prevalent in certain markets, and who seem to gravitate to certain websites/providers. I know you can consider yourself privileged and blessed to maybe have a higher tolerance or less an issue in affluent areas.  And being of a type that appeals to the “ideal” definition of beauty, may also have its advantage.

However, not everybody has that advantage and some have to work in shitty markets where the clients constantly hassle, low ball, argue over anything more than $100-$200, list goes on. Even today, I had to deal with a gem who’s been trying to book since yesterday, and he was supposed to send deposit to confirm until, he didn’t: (I’m in Blue of course)

That’s not business. That’s retail theft lol. That’s why Target had to close a few stores in some areas. I’m dealing with the same thing in my region. Potential Shoplifters, over text lol.

It’s like, how can one not be frustrated dealing with idiots like this? I had one good client in the past week…and that’s it. $400 but, that’s not really ample when I’ve had several other flaked/bullshit bookings. And the past 2 bookings I’ve had, I’ve not been able to save anything because when 3-4-5 inquiries don’t keep their word, that just backs up things I was planning to do. So this past month, the money from a booking is low within 2-3 days. It seems only 1 client out of many, who are not liars out here.
 

I have a reason to be frustrated, but just because I talk about it doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy the business. I just don’t like people who are full of shit, and that’s why I have to continue asking deposits to begin with. Those same people will have me driving out and booking a room and will blatantly lie about coming and don’t. Been down that road before.

 

Edited October 11, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Brock O]

On 10/10/2023 at 12:30 AM, pubic_assistance said:

Escorts have a "sell by date".

The sort of young fit and handsome men who can run a successful OnlyFans can charge whatever they want for access to their dick and ass.

30-somethings who continue to keep fit and handsome have a dwindling - but still solid following. That said;  unless you keep up that gym routine, your pricing is going to start sliding backward.

Over 40: you're losing most of your audience and you need to take on budget customers or offer more extremely kinky services.

So escorts are like cars. A few years off the lot and the price has nothing to do with inflation....its all about how pristine you maintain the chassis.

 

For what it's worth, my three favorites in the biz are all over 40. They deserve every penny they charge because they have learned the fine art of customer service over the years.  Each of the three approaches it differently, but they all understand that getting repeat customers and excellent word-of-mouth recommendations depends on more than just what happens in the bedroom, but also how they communicate before and after meetings.  Some are fine with (and may even prefer) a "one-and-done" approach of maximizing revenue from each meeting, but in my experience, in the long run it's the overall customer service approach that pays off.  And I'm sure hoping these three guys stay in the market for quite a bit longer.  

[DWnyc]

On 10/11/2023 at 3:41 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

But even the medium markets like Kansas City are starting to get overcrowded, yet there’s nobody paying shit. They’re all on these hookup apps talking about how much they don’t pay for sex.

It’s like…sad to me that some people actually have to write that in their profile. If they have to write that, they should be paying for sex, since they brought it up first ☝️ 

Or maybe they’re just annoyed by providers lurking on sites that have clear guidelines on that, who pull a bait and switch and may make them feel like they’ve been lied to, manipulated, their time wasted etc.

Think of it like the equivalent of people you think could be clients hitting you up, going back and forth on your offering and then saying “surprise! I’m going to treat you like an unpaid hookup post” 

And to preempt - and also think of it like - if you reply that many timewasters do actually treat you exactly like that … the response is “if you have to keep saying that maybe you should be just posting on hookup sites for free interaction”

[DWnyc]

One way to look at it is the scarcity factor has come down. A lot. 

This isn’t 50 years ago when there was no public space to be gay … there was no Will and Grace, Grindr etc - so the uniqueness of the provider service is considerably reduced.

It still has value of course, but it’s different.

So the price of eggs may have gone up, but my mobile phone is much cheaper than the clunky brick my company gave me in my first job many years ago, as is my laptop compared to the $5k entry model I worked all summer for before going to grad school.

No, prices for everything don’t move in the same direction and there is no reason they should. 

 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

7 hours ago, arnemgreeves said:

the Ukraine war fucking things up economically since then.

Not to add the apparent new Iran/Israel/Hamsas war brewing.

Just seems like, can’t catch a break for long! Like it’s always something. I think humans are just become more combative and irrational, like in the 1940s. I almost kinda like how they “faked” everything was great back in the 50s and 60s 😂 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[jeezifonly]

On 10/11/2023 at 10:17 AM, DrownedBoy said:

This Millennial recalls watching a TV show where "honorarium" was used to describe the fee you pay to a clergyman to conduct a marriage.

Interesting new usage.

Either way, it’s paying for sex…🤣

[Guest]

3 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

Either way, it’s paying for sex…🤣

 Naughty 😈 pandering vicars and clergymen 😂

[Simon Suraci]

On 10/15/2023 at 3:27 AM, Vin_Marco said:

Naughty 😈 pandering vicars and clergymen 😂

Lol I had a Catholic priest client one time. He was particularly handsy and creepy with me. Come on man, at least try not to play into the stereotypes and baggage. Oh well. They’re people too, with more or less the same desires and same needs as everyone else. I’m not judgmental at all, but I have to remind myself if these things sometimes. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

8 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Lol I had a Catholic priest client one time. He was particularly handsy and creepy with me. Come on man, at least try not to play into the stereotypes and baggage. Oh well. They’re people too, with more or less the same desires and same needs as everyone else. I’m not judgmental at all, but I have to remind myself if these things sometimes. 

lol idk why, but those can be my favorites. It’s like finally: let yourself be freeeee—eaky lol. 
 

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 10/16/2023 at 3:31 PM, Simon Suraci said:

Lol I had a Catholic priest client one time. He was particularly handsy and creepy with me. Come on man, at least try not to play into the stereotypes and baggage. Oh well. They’re people too, with more or less the same desires and same needs as everyone else. I’m not judgmental at all, but I have to remind myself if these things sometimes. 

Some things haven't changed, even after 506 years.

[Simon Suraci]

4 minutes ago, DrownedBoy said:

Some things haven't changed, even after 506 years.

At least in this context everything happens with consent, and I’m double the legal age…

For the right price, I’ll kiss a ring or anything else he wants 😂 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Btw, just found something that I’ll have to start sending next time someone asks me for full service escort, and only wants to pay $150-200. Because, some people seem to think $150-200 is the best rates for a provider to charge, otherwise it’s “too much” 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

This is starting from around when RentMen first came onto the market:

 

And then…