With everything gone up, are people expecting escort prices to go down

[maninsoma]

21 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Btw, just found something that I’ll have to start sending next time someone asks me for full service escort, and only wants to pay $150-200. Because, some people seem to think $150-200 is the best rates for a provider to charge, otherwise it’s “too much” 🤦🏾‍♂️ 

This is starting from around when RentMen first came onto the market:

 

And then…

When I started hiring frequently around 2000, rates were almost always between $150 and $200 per hour.  Today that would be between $268 and $358 per hour.  It's probably not that difficult to find someone who charges $350 per hour, but at least where I live I don't think I've seen anyone charge under $300 per hour for quite a while.

[NyGold]

A reminder of what this means.

in a world where unpaid sex through hooking up apps easier to find by the day, providers who sit calculating “inflation” without understanding the true implication of what that means, may find, as they themselves age, that they are left with nothing rather then something

Quote them whatever you want. Unless you have a gun to someone’s head (do you?), if they don’t want to pay they won’t engage you.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 10/18/2023 at 10:50 PM, maninsoma said:

When I started hiring frequently around 2000, rates were almost always between $150 and $200 per hour.  Today that would be between $268 and $358 per hour.  It's probably not that difficult to find someone who charges $350 per hour, but at least where I live I don't think I've seen anyone charge under $300 per hour for quite a while.

Are you in soma as in San Francisco? I could see that, considering too the nature of the COL. I know when I did visit SF, all my bookings were okay with 300+.

Part of why I offer tier level sessions, is to give people the option. I know $300 is a lot to pay just for a massage. So I try to still offer sessions for 150/200. It’s not $500 but it helps. I just don’t like when people try to expect that to be the rate for ALL things. At the end of the day, $200 is not a profitable rate for the volume I see. People don’t always understand, $150 is okay if I’ve had 2-3 bookings at my $250-$400 rate, and I just want to offer an easy, not hanging from the chandelier type of session. $150 is not something I’m going to leave my neighborhood, drive to town, or possibly get a hotel for if that’s the only call I’ve gotten all week. 
 

But some cities, specially small market towns: they’re stuck on the 2001 rate of $100/$200 forever. And I know the whole country is annoyed at prices going up for everything, some even taking it out on sex workers by boycotting us: even though we have nothing to do with it. But, we’re not immune. I’m even trying to do my part, by lessening my expenses so I don’t have to charge clients too much. I still have older car with no car payment, I’m booking affordable hotels, I’m not renting the most expensive apartment. But it’s costing me more by default, just due to less people booking. My expenses stayed the same, bookings went down 🤷🏾‍♂️ 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

People don’t always understand, $150 is okay if I’ve had 2-3 bookings

It’s not their job to understand … you can quote whatever you want for whatever reason - and they can choose to engage you or not

 

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

. And I know the whole country is annoyed at prices going up for everything, some even taking it out on sex workers by boycotting us: even though we have nothing to do with it.

I doubt anyone in the country blames providers for inflation or that they are coordinating a boycott of the sector to protest.

Any move to zero engagement is likely for a price that is considered too expensive relative to a clients perception of market value and perhaps their own cash flow give tougher times.

 

[arnie]

The price for escorts will continue to fluctuate based on supply and demand.   The biggest issue is the total lack of transparency, no one actually knows what the market is.    You set your price based on the amount of business you want and how much business you are getting.   Too busy, you can raise your rates, not busy enough you may want to lower them.  It might mean that you do have to see more customers to make what you want.  But for many this is a what ever I have left at the end of the month type of expense and this will affect what they are willing to or can pay.  

[+ DrownedBoy]

13 hours ago, arnie said:

The price for escorts will continue to fluctuate based on supply and demand.   The biggest issue is the total lack of transparency, no one actually knows what the market is.    You set your price based on the amount of business you want and how much business you are getting.   Too busy, you can raise your rates, not busy enough you may want to lower them.  It might mean that you do have to see more customers to make what you want.  But for many this is a what ever I have left at the end of the month type of expense and this will affect what they are willing to or can pay.  

I'm also wondering if certain times are better for hiring. You know the old joke - wait until the night before the provider's rent is due.

[DWnyc]

22 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

I'm also wondering if certain times are better for hiring. You know the old joke - wait until the night before the provider's rent is due.

I’ve lost track of how many providers have contacted me after I either didn’t engage them (for the first time) or if they’re regulars they haven’t heard from me in a while … with an offer of a huge discount (50% off type). And often it’s tied to -  I’m leaving town or about to go on vacation or it’s the end of the month etc 

some get very defensive on platforms like this - these must obviously be 2nd tier providers etc - but no I don’t think that’s the case. Some just realize that often something is better than nothing. 

 

[bigdipper]

This might not be the right thread for this question… what is the best way to respond to a provider that quotes a price that is too high for your budget? Do you not respond, say “thank you” and move on, or something else?

[Your Man in Arlington]

49 minutes ago, bigdipper said:

say “thank you” and move on

I would go with this.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

2 hours ago, bigdipper said:

This might not be the right thread for this question… what is the best way to respond to a provider that quotes a price that is too high for your budget? Do you not respond, say “thank you” and move on, or something else?

You take the classy approach and you say 'thanks for your reply and have a great day/night'

Don't ever be the guy who pivots to the haggle or complaining/rate shaming.

Just move on.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

On 10/25/2023 at 6:30 PM, DrownedBoy said:

I'm also wondering if certain times are better for hiring. You know the old joke - wait until the night before the provider's rent is due.

Perhaps, if it's the kind of escort who can't usually make his monthly rent or has no savings.

Those are unfortunately the gents who get boxed in around the last week of the month.

Edited November 6, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[Jarrod_Uncut]

4 hours ago, bigdipper said:

This might not be the right thread for this question… what is the best way to respond to a provider that quotes a price that is too high for your budget? Do you not respond, say “thank you” and move on, or something else?

 

I would state what your budget is, without necessarily suggesting that you are telling them what to charge. Example Demo:

You: How much?

Provider: $400

You: Thanks, You’re definitely worth it. However I’m only able to budget $300 at this time. If that’s not possible I can reach out next month when I have enough saved.

Provider: Oh ok, well if you’re willing to host/come to me, meet me between the hours of X and X, or come right now while I’m at this hotel, I can be willing to accommodate the $300

You: Great, thanks. Appreciate you working with me. I’ll be right over OR here’s my address, don’t worry about booking a hotel: 123 sexy street, Beverly Hills, 90210

This way no one feels flaked on, and the provider may still be willing to work with you, if you can make some concessions and accommodations yourself. No need to be ashamed and not buy what you want.

However, don’t be slighted if you hear  something different like: “i don’t offer any meets for under $XXX”

It’s like when people contact me asking for a $100 session. My answer is usually always no, but after the last guy was very rude towards me, I’m not doing anything less than my minimum.

On 10/25/2023 at 2:25 AM, DWnyc said:

I doubt anyone in the country blames providers for inflation or that they are coordinating a boycott of the sector to protest.

Any move to zero engagement is likely for a price that is considered too expensive relative to a clients perception of market value and perhaps their own cash flow give tougher times.

 

Well, I understand it’s not that. Maybe I didn’t describe it enough. 
 

I think moreso it’s just that: there’s so many more providers out here popping up in markets that don’t really support the supply. Places like Denver and Nashville, and now even Kansas City, etc used to not have many providers…but more and more are flooding the market. In response it seems the clients come off less appreciative and seem to have a disposable attitude. 

That’s why my solution to the issue is to just get away from the saturated markets and focus on smaller locations instead.
 

On 10/24/2023 at 7:35 PM, NyGold said:

A reminder of what this means.

in a world where unpaid sex through hooking up apps easier to find by the day, providers who sit calculating “inflation” without understanding the true implication of what that means, may find, as they themselves age, that they are left with nothing rather then something

Quote them whatever you want. Unless you have a gun to someone’s head (do you?), if they don’t want to pay they won’t engage you.

Well, just to clear you up: there’s no aging going on here lol. Though even if it was, it’s moreso supply and demand (as I explained up above) and, like you said…The implication of apps and how they can potentially have an effect on the biz in a broader dynamic.

And just curious what’s the true implication of inflation that you’re looking to define? 

Edited November 6, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

And just curious what’s the true implication of inflation that you’re looking to define? 

Unless my disposable income is going up by at least the same amount as inflation …

… after paying for higher priced essentials (eg groceries, gas, rent, heating, electricity)

… I’m afraid I may have less to spend on a provider 

Add to that the double down effect of a provider raising his prices when I have less to spend on him …

and I’m not sure I’ll be playing as much as I once did

[Your Man in Arlington]

8 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Don't ever be the guy who pivots to the haggle or complaining/rate shaming.

This for sure. The way I think about it is that I'm looking for the best possible experience, and I don't want that being compromised by the provider not feeling fully valued.

[Gandalf]

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Well, just to clear you up: there’s no aging going on here lol.

Oh, honey... 

[Guest]

@Jarrod_Uncut I think it's gross to talk about money but since we're here I'm going to add that generally my fees are not negotiable. When I tell someone what my fee is and they respond with something like "I'm afraid that's above my budget " I kindly let them know that " I understand " and that I hope they find what they seek and I leave it at that.... I can't tell you how many come back days, weeks, or months later  and book time with me haggle free.  

[marylander1940]

Something similar was said about the pandemic and prices didn't go down. Self-fulfilling prophecies are nothing but wishful thinking. 

[marylander1940]

On 10/25/2023 at 6:30 PM, DrownedBoy said:

I'm also wondering if certain times are better for hiring. You know the old joke - wait until the night before the provider's rent is due.

Have you tried that? 

Most escorts I know make sure to have money for a rainy day but the younger ones simply assume nothing will go wrong. 

On 10/25/2023 at 5:10 AM, arnie said:

The price for escorts will continue to fluctuate based on supply and demand.   The biggest issue is the total lack of transparency, no one actually knows what the market is.    You set your price based on the amount of business you want and how much business you are getting.   Too busy, you can raise your rates, not busy enough you may want to lower them.  It might mean that you do have to see more customers to make what you want.  But for many this is a what ever I have left at the end of the month type of expense and this will affect what they are willing to or can pay.  

Brilliant! 

 

 

[marylander1940]

On 10/26/2023 at 4:40 PM, DWnyc said:

I’ve lost track of how many providers have contacted me after I either didn’t engage them (for the first time) or if they’re regulars they haven’t heard from me in a while … with an offer of a huge discount (50% off type). And often it’s tied to -  I’m leaving town or about to go on vacation or it’s the end of the month etc 

some get very defensive on platforms like this - these must obviously be 2nd tier providers etc - but no I don’t think that’s the case. Some just realize that often something is better than nothing. 

 

That's a terrible business model... 

Does it mean you'll get the same deal on a future session? 

Younger folks usually don't know how to save!

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, marylander1940 said:

  On 10/25/2023 at 3:30 PM, DrownedBoy said:

I'm also wondering if certain times are better for hiring. You know the old joke - wait until the night before the provider's rent is due.

August in NYC probably isn't the ideal time to go but I've done just fine in August, I've also been to DC when congress is out of session and did just as well as when it's in session. This is only from my own personal experience over the course of time that times of the months and seasons  haven't really negatively impacted my ability to knock ✊🏽 at the door or have my door knocked on. 

[marylander1940]

5 minutes ago, Vin_Marco said:

August in NYC probably isn't the ideal time to go but I've done just fine in August, I've also been to DC when congress is out of session and did just as well as when it's in session. This is only from my own personal experience over the course of time that times of the months and seasons  haven't really negatively impacted my ability to knock ✊🏽 at the door or have my door knocked on. 

No doubt! NYC city has more tourists in August but many locals leave for the Hamptons or pretend they're gone if they can't afford going out of town. Unless there's a heat wave NYC in August is a lovely place to visit! Is like "ferragosto" in Rome! 

@Vin_Marco Sir, you're a 🦄, you do well wherever you go! 

Edited November 6, 2023 by marylander1940

[+ DrownedBoy]

12 hours ago, NyGold said:

Unless my disposable income is going up by at least the same amount as inflation …

… after paying for higher priced essentials (eg groceries, gas, rent, heating, electricity)

… I’m afraid I may have less to spend on a provider 

Add to that the double down effect of a provider raising his prices when I have less to spend on him …

and I’m not sure I’ll be playing as much as I once did

Yeah. In addition to the fall in demand, don't forget the likely jump in supply with the recession and fewer jobs.

Venezuelan women refugees already caused certain Columbian prices to go down. I wonder what will happen when they build the tent cities this winter. 

[Guest]

8 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

@Vin_Marco Sir, you're a 🦄, you do well wherever you go! 

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[Jarrod_Uncut]

12 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

That's a terrible business model... 

Does it mean you'll get the same deal on a future session? 

Younger folks usually don't know how to save!

 

Not necessarily always the case. Many younger gay guys are often required to live in the city, (and the most expensive cities at that because let’s face it: cities like Kansas City and St. Louis have gay scenes, but after a couple years you start to get tired of the same queens doing the same things: so that’s why places like Chicago, Los Angeles and Atlanta are more sought after) pay higher rent, drive a decent car, have money every weekend for drinks or dates, all while racking up debt by having a higher education and a couple credit cards. 
 

It’s plenty of resources out there that explains why it’s so hard to save…not just a “know how”. 
 

11 hours ago, Vin_Marco said:

knock ✊🏽 at the door or have my door knocked on. 

Not sure why I’m thinking kinky right now 😆 
 

11 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

No doubt! NYC city has more tourists in August but many locals leave for the Hamptons or pretend they're gone if they can't afford going out of town. Unless there's a heat wave NYC in August is a lovely place to visit! Is like "ferragosto" in Rome! 

@Vin_Marco Sir, you're a 🦄, you do well wherever you go! 

I’ve seen in August Provincetown have many visitors from New York as well. Didn’t get chance to make it up there this summer but hopefully in the Fall before winter 👍🏾