Party N Play (PNP)

[ICTJOCK]

I'm sure we have all had inquires about whether we "PNP"  along with our services.     Just had a potential client ask me if I PNP and I do groups.

Not sure how each of you think about this.   If I'm around someone who wants to "party",   I generally politely decline.  I view it professionally, but more than that.  My own health and safety in that setting.    I can't imagine being spaced out with someone who I may hardly know.   If there is a group involved,  even less so.     I don't use drugs and have no desire to be around anything beyond Cannabis.   The comment from the proposed client was that I would be "missing out"  on a profitable time.

Thoughts?

[+ DynamicUno]

From your other posts it's pretty clear you show a lot of care for the clients you meet, and avoiding PNP is consistent with your priorities.  It's risky enough with anything stronger than cannabis, adding a group scene on top of that is just asking for trouble.

Declining a client that asked for that seems perfectly rational and in both your better interests.  The client will likely find another provider who will agree to it, and hopefully they stay safe during the encounter.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

49 minutes ago, ICTJOCK said:

Not sure how each of you think about this.   If I'm around someone who wants to "party",   I generally politely decline.  I view it professionally, but more than that.  My own health and safety in that setting. 

I’m sure I’m in the minority here - but, any mention of PNP by a provider in their ad or anywhere in communications w me is an automatic hard NO. 
It’s difficult enough to find someone reliable & trustworthy- throw PNP into the equation and anything is possible IMO.

I tend to think that if a provider (or anyone else) is that thoughtless about their own health & well-being, then mine is certainly not going to be a priority.  I just don’t think it shows maturity and good judgement - absolutely something I don’t want to be around under any circumstances.  
And then I suppose it could impact performance.  So, what exactly then is the point of any of it ?

[ICTJOCK]

2 minutes ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I’m sure I’m in the minority here - but, any mention of PNP by a provider in their ad or anywhere in communications w me is an automatic hard NO. 
It’s difficult enough to find someone reliable & trustworthy- throw PNP into the equation and anything is possible IMO.

I tend to think that if a provider (or anyone else) is that thoughtless about their own health & well-being, then mine is certainly not going to be a priority.  I just don’t think it shows maturity and good judgement - absolutely something I don’t want to be around under any circumstances.  
And then I suppose it could impact performance.  So, what exactly then is the point of any of it ?

I would hope you would be in the majority!

[JTtorretto]

6 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I'm sure we have all had inquires about whether we "PNP"  along with our services.     Just had a potential client ask me if I PNP and I do groups.

Not sure how each of you think about this.   If I'm around someone who wants to "party",   I generally politely decline.  I view it professionally, but more than that.  My own health and safety in that setting.    I can't imagine being spaced out with someone who I may hardly know.   If there is a group involved,  even less so.     I don't use drugs and have no desire to be around anything beyond Cannabis.   The comment from the proposed client was that I would be "missing out"  on a profitable time.

Thoughts?

LMFAO 

 

🤣 preaching to the choir 

little brown noser new guy

 

hahaha

[ICTJOCK]

6 minutes ago, JTtorretto said:

LMFAO 

 

🤣 preaching to the choir 

little brown noser new guy

 

hahaha

Dude, I don’t preach.  I do things a certain way as a health and fitness advocate.  If you do them differently, be my guest!

[Rudynate]

If I really wanted to get together with him, I wouldn't want to pass him by just because he says he is open to P&P.  If he had to be cranked in order to play,  I think I would say no. But if it was one among a variety of services and it wasn't a requirement and otherwise the impression was good, I might take a chance on him.  So much conversation about P&P is tinged with that reflexive attitude that the client is a victim of the provider. 

One time, I drove a long way to get together with a guy and, when I got there, he was clearly cranked on meth.  I chatted with him for a few minutes, told him I didn't think it would work and left. 

[blck37]

6 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I'm sure we have all had inquires about whether we "PNP"  along with our services.     Just had a potential client ask me if I PNP and I do groups.

Not sure how each of you think about this.   If I'm around someone who wants to "party",   I generally politely decline.  I view it professionally, but more than that.  My own health and safety in that setting.    I can't imagine being spaced out with someone who I may hardly know.   If there is a group involved,  even less so.     I don't use drugs and have no desire to be around anything beyond Cannabis.   The comment from the proposed client was that I would be "missing out"  on a profitable time.

Thoughts?

Hm honestly not sure of 'thoughts' you are inviting here....

PNP is either you are into it or you are not, no middle ground. And reading your original post + comments here, safe to say you are a hardliner 'NO'. So any different view would not in any aspect change your view. You would not, in any event regardless of other's opinion, prioritise $$$ over your principle - thus fear of 'missing out of $$$' is really not your thing in so far relating to PNP.

Even if i were to say client in PNP scene would typically IMO spent more on provider than he plan to (for obvious reasons lol) - you would, i believe, stand by your stance.

So yeah i am not sure what the purpose of this post, perhaps just to start a convo lol 🤣

[ICTJOCK]

28 minutes ago, blck37 said:

Hm honestly not sure of 'thoughts' you are inviting here....

PNP is either you are into it or you are not, no middle ground. And reading your original post + comments here, safe to say you are a hardliner 'NO'. So any different view would not in any aspect change your view. You would not, in any event regardless of other's opinion, prioritise $$$ over your principle - thus fear of 'missing out of $$$' is really not your thing in so far relating to PNP.

Even if i were to say client in PNP scene would typically IMO spent more on provider than he plan to (for obvious reasons lol) - you would, i believe, stand by your stance.

So yeah i am not sure what the purpose of this post, perhaps just to start a convo lol 🤣

I have my views,  others have theirs.    It is healthful conversation and I like to hear what others have to say.  Pretty simple.

[Guest]

Imagine all the splain'n lil Ricky ( extra splain'n ) would have to do in the event of an overdose resulting in death. 
I'm not here to judge anyone for how they live their life but I do know in all my travels I've avoided and evaded possible problems and scenarios related to "pnp" I suppose the longer one has been established, the more choices and options become available and you would no longer feel compelled to do things or take part in situations that you don't feel totally comfortable in. 

[JTtorretto]

1 hour ago, blck37 said:

Hm honestly not sure of 'thoughts' you are inviting here....

PNP is either you are into it or you are not, no middle ground. And reading your original post + comments here, safe to say you are a hardliner 'NO'. So any different view would not in any aspect change your view. You would not, in any event regardless of other's opinion, prioritise $$$ over your principle - thus fear of 'missing out of $$$' is really not your thing in so far relating to PNP.

Even if i were to say client in PNP scene would typically IMO spent more on provider than he plan to (for obvious reasons lol) - you would, i believe, stand by your stance.

So yeah i am not sure what the purpose of this post, perhaps just to start a convo lol 🤣

Well said ... 

 

I think his point was to preach to the choir [again] knowing that the vast majority of regular members on this board are SUPER anti-pnp and so he'd earn himself another "little pat on the head" for kissing ass and "saying the right thing" that the old fogeys want to hear be said.  
 

it wasnt to have a real dialogue.  
 

she just needed some daily affirmation

 

 

[and my biggest payouts in the $5,000-$7,000 range have all been via extended "weekend" pnp appts]
 

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

1 hour ago, JTtorretto said:

Well said ... 

 

I think his point was to preach to the choir [again] knowing that the vast majority of regular members on this board are SUPER anti-pnp and so he'd earn himself another "little pat on the head" for kissing ass and "saying the right thing" that the old fogeys want to hear be said.  
 

it wasnt to have a real dialogue.  
 

she just needed some daily affirmation

 

 

[and my biggest payouts in the $5,000-$7,000 range have all been via extended "weekend" pnp appts]
 

 

You can disagree with the op without being a shithead. 

Calling him 'she' and 'brown-noser' makes you look like the asshole, not him.

I've been around here a lot longer than you and the anti-drug sentiment is popular here for good reason.  It's a fucking dead-end road.

As I always say, you do you, but don't besmirch those with a different viewpoint.

 

 

Edited August 30, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[ICTJOCK]

4 minutes ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

You can disagree with the op without being a shithead. 

Calling him 'she' and 'brown-noser' makes you look like the asshole, not him.

I've been around here a lot longer than you and the anti-drug sentiment is popular here for good reason.  It's a fucking dead-end road.

 

 

I just chuckled at JT's comments.    I haven't been here long enough to know who favors what topic.   I've only been since 8/4.   No reason to get upset here either.   We all have different views,  its about sharing ours and respect others.     Thanks Benjamin.

[MikeThomas]

The old PNP topic.  I went back and looked at my top rent.men hires, ones that I have hired more than once, or would hire again in the future. About half listed PNP.  When I met these providers, they weren't high and they didn't ask if I wanted to get high.  They were all well reviewed either here or on RM.

[Jamie21]

Some people can cope with it, lots can’t. I occasionally get asked but my answer is ‘no’ because I think I’d be one of those people who couldn’t cope with taking substances. I don’t even drink! Group is fine, happy to do that but once it becomes a PNP type event then I’m leaving. If you aren’t into it then best to decline 

[marylander1940]

11 hours ago, SouthOfTheBorder said:

I’m sure I’m in the minority here - but, any mention of PNP by a provider in their ad or anywhere in communications w me is an automatic hard NO. 
It’s difficult enough to find someone reliable & trustworthy- throw PNP into the equation and anything is possible IMO.

I tend to think that if a provider (or anyone else) is that thoughtless about their own health & well-being, then mine is certainly not going to be a priority.  I just don’t think it shows maturity and good judgement - absolutely something I don’t want to be around under any circumstances.  
And then I suppose it could impact performance.  So, what exactly then is the point of any of it ?

Actually you are in the majority when it comes to this subject! I can't picture someone who does PNP with strangers who hire him, showing up on time, being able to perform, having a long career, saving money, no baggage, no emotional ups and downs, and with his shit together. 

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by marylander1940

[marylander1940]

2 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

Well said ... 

 

I think his point was to preach to the choir [again] knowing that the vast majority of regular members on this board are SUPER anti-pnp and so he'd earn himself another "little pat on the head" for kissing ass and "saying the right thing" that the old fogeys want to hear be said.  
 

it wasnt to have a real dialogue.  
 

she just needed some daily affirmation

 

 

[and my biggest payouts in the $5,000-$7,000 range have all been via extended "weekend" pnp appts]
 

 

Without a doubt there's lots of money. If someone can afford cocaine why not hiring escorts for the whole weekend. Unfortunately sooner or later will end in an overdose and cops good claim the escort for providing, pushing, fomenting, etc. whether he did it or not

[+ DrownedBoy]

1 hour ago, ICTJOCK said:

I just chuckled at JT's comments.    I haven't been here long enough to know who favors what topic.   I've only been since 8/4.   No reason to get upset here either.   We all have different views,  its about sharing ours and respect others.     Thanks Benjamin.

I just block them before I lose control and laugh myself silly.

I've heard that if you PNP, you'll never enjoy normal sex again, so I've avoided it. A few puffs of cannabis are enough to help.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

38 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Some people can cope with it, lots can’t

I don’t agree.  

I’d say some people can do PNP without going down the road road to addiction & life ruining consequences.  

However, I’ve been around dozens of guys who do it “recreationally” and still have jobs, careers, family & relationships.  That said, when they’re using - the personality changes are distinct and my observations are consistent: they get agressive, mean & beyond bitchy.  It’s all about getting dick ( and there’s never enough,  maybe because of limp dick unless there’s more drugs).
If it turns into a run (more than 48 hours) then these people are no longer recognizable based on behavior & personality.

Forget the judgment & health consequences, they’re just not fun to be around.  I’ve shared houses with these types on extended vacations - an absolute nightmare.  They’ve lost friendships for sure - basically because they became super assholes

sounds like fun, right ???

Edited August 30, 2023 by SouthOfTheBorder

[big-n-tall]

I don't judge people who are into pnp, but I don't seek out providers who list it. I had a very bad experience with a provider high on crack or meth. I don't know what it was exactly. In any case, because of this I have yet to hire anyone else who lists pnp in their ad. Whether they can handle their shit or not. I'm no longer willing to find out.

I talked about what I considered my worst experience before on the forum. So I'll give the crib notes version.

Early in my highing career, a provider I had met a few times (to which I had great to decent experiences with), called me as i was on my way to see him. He asked, "did I like to party?" Being new to all this I said yes. Thinking he meant.. like going to a party. Very naive I know.

When I got to the room, he left the door open and the room was pitch black except for the sliver of light beaming through curtains. He sat near this sliver so I could see his silhouette across the room. The room had a weird smell. Not stinky, but nothing I've ever smelled before. I heard this weird inhaling whirring sound as a light, which look like a cigarette tip, glowed. The sound it made, made me think that it was not a cigarette. I had no idea what it could have been. So I kind of ignored that it could be something harder.

During the session he wouldn't let me kiss him (he had before). He became increasingly erratic and become hyper paranoid. He started freaking me out and every time I tried to leave, he wouldn't let me. He actively blocked me, asking why am I leaving. What followed was him eventually having an episode where he was extremely manic, even crying to his mom, slobbering on the toilet, begging me not to leave him and at one point becoming comatose. I was scared to death because I thought he stopped breathing. I didn't know what to do. Should I leave... should I call an ambulance. My paranoid brain didn't help because I thought if I left and he died I could be in some series trouble. My finger prints and whatever else had to be all over the room and on his body. Did someone see me come into his room?

What was supposed to be an hour meetup ended up closer to 4. Close to the end, he suddenly became clear and coherent. So much so he asked me to take him to the bus station. He acted like what just happened didn't. I was in shock at that point. As I dropped him off, he said he had a great time, looked forward to seeing me again, and asked me to write a positive review. I made sure I never saw him again. I met him through rentboy and he still posts on rentmen from time to time.

Edited August 30, 2023 by big-n-tall

[JTtorretto]

2 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

You can disagree with the op without being a shithead. 

Calling him 'she' and 'brown-noser' makes you look like the asshole, not him.

I've been around here a lot longer than you and the anti-drug sentiment is popular here for good reason.  It's a fucking dead-end road.

As I always say, you do you, but don't besmirch those with a different viewpoint.

 

 

BLCK37 point was valid & factual;

 

Why did OP start this thread in the first place? (When hes stated previously this is a total nonnegotiable topic for him)

It was a cunty/pot stirrer move for people to come out "pro pnp" and get of course chastised for that position and for him to come out looking like Prince Charming, thus hes either testing or showing hes learned the positions to take to be the official COM "teachers pet".  
 

TRUTH

 

just following up on calling him out (initially noticed by blck37) that this thread was set up to be a self serving tool to burnish his "good boy" veneer with the majority of old timers on this board. 
 

btw, you have NOT been around "a lot longer" then me Benny, unless you started posting on rentboy while still a teenager in high school.  Lol.  I believe we started the same year.  You, however, have always been the brasher marketer / advertiser.  

Edited August 31, 2023 by JTtorretto

[JTtorretto]

2 hours ago, ICTJOCK said:

I just chuckled at JT's comments.    I haven't been here long enough to know who favors what topic.   I've only been since 8/4.   No reason to get upset here either.   We all have different views,  its about sharing ours and respect others.     Thanks Benjamin.

And reading your original post + comments here, safe to say you are a hardliner 'NO'. So any different view would not in any aspect change your view. You would not, in any event regardless of other's opinion, prioritise $$$ over your principle - thus fear of 'missing out of $$$' is really not your thing in so far relating to PNP.

I based my post upon reading blck37 post [ 👆🏽see above ] that you have made your position clear previously re:pnp.  
 

even tho you "just joined" this month, it's inconsequential since you have posted, a remarkable, 161 times. Lmfao. 
 

 

Edited August 31, 2023 by JTtorretto

[DWnyc]

I fully support every provider’s and every client’s right to their views on this subject and without getting into legal issues, also their right to live their lives as they choose (if not harming others).

However as with condom use vs bareback I think there is a lot of naivety (not meant offensively) on part of some, and some unnecessary virtue signaling from others regarding what has become vastly normalized in “the real world”. Im absolutely not refering to the OP or anyone in this thread specifically / personally.
 

however I would be very surprised if a far greater proportion of providers than many here believe weren’t regular PnP-ers (said without any judgement but also without condoning this either). So if it’s a binary decision where one choice is disgust and “I won’t go near anyone who indulges in that stuff” (even if not offered in an ad or privately in person) - the acceptable pool of providers may be smaller than many here believe. 

Those of us in finance, law, creative arts etc will likely know many high performing colleagues and friends who we also know to be regular users - some are high-performing and others are not. The provider space is likely no different - and there are structural reasons why prevalence could actually be much higher. 

My point here is really - don’t kid yourself that this is just a small minority of fringe providers (or for that matter clients) indulging. And hang out in any gay venue on a Friday or Saturday night, or scroll through the online hookup sites with your eyes wide open if you want to refresh your estimates of usage. 

Edited August 31, 2023 by DWnyc

[Trevor]

Benjamin is an old know-it-all that constantly demeans others while self-aggrandizing. Just because his only life experience is escorting, does not make him an expert in every subject that he seems to think he is. Glad you called him out! Don't rule out his starting in HS since his other lies have caught up to him in the past. LOL

[JTtorretto]

2 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Without a doubt there's lots of money. If someone can afford cocaine why not hiring escorts for the whole weekend. Unfortunately sooner or later will end in an overdose and cops good claim the escort for providing, pushing, fomenting, etc. whether he did it or not

A definite possible scenario, tho an older client could also just drop dead of a heart attack & good time with no substances involved.