Mr Number

[MCR]

5 hours ago, SirBillybob said:

A few questions.

I thought that if you subscribed to Mr Number the app would log phone numbers that come in and you can only select a number from that menu and report it with or without narrative commentary. For example, the app was mainly designed for spam / robocall, etc annoyances.

As such, you may need to keep a separate list of your own because you may get so many different callers you need a way to stratify problematic callers by number so as to avoid error.

Can you delete from the logged list so as to avoid an accumulation of numbers not relevant for your purposes?

I thought that a contributor in this thread claimed that any known phone number could be reported by the reporter possessing the app simply by entering the number manually. I did not think that was possible because I assume you must click and drag/insert within the app. Otherwise, misanthropic pranks abound. 

Similarly, if a problematic client only communicates through, say, Rentmen text messaging, or email for that matter, you would have no way of reporting on Mr Number. Right? You may never have access to the phone number or, again, in such a way that would need to be entered yourself manually (assumed impossible).

I assume SMS text lands a number into the Mr Number app list? Yes? Few people make conventional phone calls, in contrast to robocall patterns, etc. 

What about WhatsApp (or Line) web-based calls, texts, voice messages? You only get an unidentified alert to check WhatsApp. (I don’t recall if the ID pops up if it is a WhatsApp phone call.) Would any of these modes show up in your Mr Number log so as to permit the option of a report?

Any known phone number can write any review on the app.  You just type in the phone number and hit Report. 

[MCR]

Just now, MCR said:

Any known phone number can write any review on the app.  You just type in the phone number and hit Report. 

And you cannot delete anything from the profile

[DWnyc]

Every so often I’ve suddenly seen 2-3 comments about me on Mr Number within a span of a few days with the same writing style and the same grammatical errors so likely the same person. 

I’m pretty sure I know which providers have complained about me and I’ve had no difficulty taking it all down from Mr Number - once they see the likelihood it’s the same person it’s very easy to make the case it’s false and harassment.

Funnily, clients can also write up providers on Mr Number. I wonder how many providers have taken the time to check out their own telephone number profiles while writing up complaints about others? Some make interesting reading. 
 

[JTtorretto]

5 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Every so often I’ve suddenly seen 2-3 comments about me on Mr Number within a span of a few days with the same writing style and the same grammatical errors so likely the same person. 

I’m pretty sure I know which providers have complained about me and I’ve had no difficulty taking it all down from Mr Number - once they see the likelihood it’s the same person it’s very easy to make the case it’s false and harassment.

Funnily, clients can also write up providers on Mr Number. I wonder how many providers have taken the time to check out their own telephone number profiles while writing up complaints about others? Some make interesting reading. 
 

Lol

 

why have MULTIPLE different escorts felt the need to warn their colleagues to watch out for you?  
 

you dont consider that they maybe have a point ? 

[secgoo]

Is it a website or an app?

 

 

[DWnyc]

7 hours ago, JTtorretto said:

Lol

 

why have MULTIPLE different escorts felt the need to warn their colleagues to watch out for you?  
 

you dont consider that they maybe have a point ? 

The point is it’s not multiple escorts, it’s by one person pretending to be several - and someone who is obsessed / a little psychotic.

Which is why the app removes the comments immediately - doesn’t take a genius to spot such behavior.

 

[JTtorretto]

1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

The point is it’s not multiple escorts, it’s by one person pretending to be several - and someone who is obsessed / a little psychotic.

Which is why the app removes the comments immediately - doesn’t take a genius to spot such behavior.

 

Then why did you say

 

 

"pretty sure I know which providers have complained about me and I’ve had "

 

YOU said plural rather than singular correct?

[DWnyc]

I was referring to multiple comments and speculating it’s the same provider. 

And at the Mr Number end they can see things like IP address, device ID, network configuration of internet connection when review was sent etc so have more info to assessif it’s one or several individuals.

If it’s several instances of different providers playing the same game rather than just one it doesn’t invalidate my point. The reviews I’m talking about were all accepted as false / malevolent and taken down because there were others almost identical or from the same wifi network or phone etc - so, no, it doesn’t mean it shows providers spookily all converged on identifying me as a threat to humanity  

Most online spaces allowing reviews eg Amazon, Yelp, Expedia etc have policies to protect the subject from malicious intent - could be by a disgruntled customer, a competitor, whatever. That involves technical analyses of hardware as well as of writing style, content etc. RM has a process of taking down bad reviews determined to be fake or unfair, but like other sites won’t take something down just because the target is unhappy. Every so often one sees a provider disappear then reinvent himself likely because too many bad reviews he couldn’t censor (so likely proven to be genuine after website due diligence) started affecting his reputation. It’s not just clients on MrN who are under scrutiny, and if anything providers have more to lose and should perhaps take greater care to prevent behavior leading to negative reviews that stick because they are found to be more likely true than false. 
 

 

[Dolman]

On 8/30/2023 at 4:40 AM, secgoo said:

Is it a website or an app?

 

 

It’s an app. There’s a 3-day free trial period, so if you’re curious, you can download it to your phone, see if your number has any reports attached, and then promptly cancel the trial.

For cell phone numbers, no names are listed, just the words “personal line” and the location (based on the area code).

My number had no reports. I guess I’ve yet to make an impression!

[marylander1940]

On 8/29/2023 at 8:52 PM, DWnyc said:

Every so often I’ve suddenly seen 2-3 comments about me on Mr Number within a span of a few days with the same writing style and the same grammatical errors so likely the same person. 

I’m pretty sure I know which providers have complained about me and I’ve had no difficulty taking it all down from Mr Number - once they see the likelihood it’s the same person it’s very easy to make the case it’s false and harassment.

Funnily, clients can also write up providers on Mr Number. I wonder how many providers have taken the time to check out their own telephone number profiles while writing up complaints about others? Some make interesting reading. 
 

Are those comments reachable by Google search or do they have to go to the app itself?

Edited September 5, 2023 by marylander1940

[DWnyc]

13 hours ago, Dolman said:

 

It’s an app. There’s a 3-day free trial period, so if you’re curious, you can download it to your phone, see if your number has any reports attached, and then promptly cancel the trial.

For cell phone numbers, no names are listed, just the words “personal line” and the location (based on the area code).

My number had no reports. I guess I’ve yet to make an impression!

People can suggest names and I believe they have a verification process and then leave them up there if confirmed.

Individuals who can prove they own the number can then have the name corrected or removed if they object to it being listed. 

One smart ass provider suddenly started calling me (let’s say) “ Brian” in his comms (berating me for not booking) - it’s not my name and I have n ever used it as an alias. I couldn’t figure out what was going on until I saw someone had suggested me as that name and it was listed in my report, so their verification doesn’t always work. 

Edited September 5, 2023 by DWnyc

[DWnyc]

10 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

Are those comments reachable by Google search or do they have to go to the app itself?

Shouldn’t be - as that would kill the app’s business model 

[Nodalguy]

17 hours ago, Dolman said:

 

and then promptly cancel the trial

Do you happen to know whether this is simple to do? Some services make it a royal pain in the butt to cancel anything (like requiring that you actually call in). I really wish some regulation would be passed so that all services with recurring billing that let you sign up online would have to offer one-click cancelation and suspension.

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, Nodalguy said:

Do you happen to know whether this is simple to do? Some services make it a royal pain in the butt to cancel anything (like requiring that you actually call in). I really wish some regulation would be passed so that all services with recurring billing that let you sign up online would have to offer one-click cancelation and suspension.

To be fair they’re trying to avoid people making the most out of the trial and never signing up again. But yes it is annoying how they put up barriers.

I actually got a second Mr N subscription on a different number to check what my number looked like when others saw it (to confirm there wasn’t a complaint or description I was missing) - and canceled right after - was quite easy from memory.

 

[Dolman]

3 hours ago, Nodalguy said:

Do you happen to know whether this is simple to do? Some services make it a royal pain in the butt to cancel anything (like requiring that you actually call in).

It’s easy. You can cancel by going to Settings > [your AppleID] > subscriptions. Just like Grindr or any other paid app.

Took me under five minutes to download the app, sign up for the free trial, check my number (and some other numbers), and cancel the trial.

[Nodalguy]

24 minutes ago, Dolman said:

It’s easy. You can cancel by going to Settings > [your AppleID] > subscriptions.

Ahh, I didn't think of that because I don't have any subscriptions through my phone's app store. (I use Android, but it's pretty much the same. Just when I pulled up the subscriptions it was empty.) Thanks!

[DWnyc]

And just to add if you see a cluster of bad reports about you (or anyone else) within a short period of time (often telling the same story, same writing style) that’s probably someone out to get you and posting from multiple free accounts to make the point, as I’ve said before here, this has happened to me multiple times and I’ve always managed to have them removed by pointing this out to the site but only by calling them proactively. Their due diligence on reporting isn’t great - something they have to work on for it to be more credible.

Am curious how else it’s used and how the make sufficient revenue. 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I looked myself up. Oddly I’ve never pulled a no show so curious who this was. 

[NyGold]

On 9/5/2023 at 7:25 PM, Nodalguy said:

Ahh, I didn't think of that because I don't have any subscriptions through my phone's app store. (I use Android, but it's pretty much the same. Just when I pulled up the subscriptions it was empty.) Thanks!

Sometimes free trials don’t show up in subscriptions (until it’s no longer free)

[+ DrownedBoy]

On 9/5/2023 at 10:08 PM, KensingtonHomo said:

I looked myself up. Oddly I’ve never pulled a no show so curious who this was. 

Yeah.

I was a "fake" because I didn't hire someone right away. 

And a Latino who didn't know enough English to find a Chicago address claimed I lied about sending him an Uber. His complaint just made it more clear how laughably bad his English was.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Mister or Mrs. number, or not: it’s still important to have screening methods. Even if that app wasn’t around, I’d still be having my own way of verifying. 

In my experience, majority of the ones reported: have indeed been a case of, “I should have read the reviews”. 
 

I think there just needs to be a let go of expecting full anonymity and no accountability. I have learned women escorts often ask for ID, employment info, references from other providers, and not to mention deposits. I feel the gay hiring scene is stuck in operating on “trust the client, fuck the escort”. And now people want to talk about how we shouldn’t even have a platform to improve safety or avoid red flags?

Perhaps remove the personal standpoint and focus moreso on the bigger picture: far too many flakes out there. And simply not hiring a first choice is just scratching the surface. There’s some out there who have nothing much better to do in their spare time, than to troll RM ads . So, it’s only wise to have something to say: “hey this was my experience: proceed with discernment ”

[secgoo]

I absolutely agree that there should be someway to review clients. 

I would like to read the reviews my regulars might leave about me.

However, the issue is that clients are generally more likely to need privacy and anonymity whereas providers generally accept that they're putting an advertisement for themselves out into the (semi) public sphere.

I am very fond of a few providers, very VERY fond of 2. I genuinely care about them as human beings and I want them to be safe and protected.

I am aware of a total shithead that has made an appearance on this forum trying to slander/discredit me personally and I can only presume that shithead has made loads of reports about innocent clients (probably including me)

[Jason Dutch]

The call to "expose" escorts sharing information is totally irresponsible and honestly pretty hypocritical given the forum that we're on. Please take a moment to consider what you're suggesting.

Mr Number is just one of several safety methods used by workers to protect themselves in the course of offering unique talents, experiences, pleasures and expertise. It's part of a centuries-old (at least) tradition of informal knowledge networks and bad date lists and meant to protect escorts. Things have changed in some places, and naturally, I acknowledge that clients take their share of risks as well when arranging to meet and meeting providers. But in most contexts, sex workers of any stripe take on much greater physical social, legal, personal and financial risks.

As someone above said, many (mannnyyyyyyyy) people messaging escorts never intend to meet or pay.  Every day, people text me out of the blue with expectations of rapid, extensive, unpaid sexting or phone sex, or worse. While most of the clients out there are genuinely good people trying to to do business, there are unfortunately a significant number of "clients" who are not... People who seek or choose to stalk, harass, rape, assault, doxx, scam, harm, and, in extreme cases, even kill sex workers. Not to mention, SW remains illegal in most places and police around the world still expend heinous quantities of cash in their efforts to entrap and charge sex workers.

Perhaps an example would help. I am based in Toronto. I was approached, by online message and text message, by Bruce MacArthur, whom most people will know was a sadistic serial killer preying on gay men in Toronto for at least a decade and who killed at least one sex worker and brutalized another with a metal pipe. If I had not cross checked his info with my peers at the time, I would not have known about the various red flags that had gone up in the community and would likely have met him. Similarly, somebody I once declined to meet after a cross-check later restrained and raped another provider who was not plugged into these info networks.

If someone can't see why tools like this are important, then I suggest they do some deep, deep thinking about their priorities and their capacity for empathy.

Of course, I'm not calling anyone on here a killer or a rapist. I love my clients and by and large I've found I can develop mutual trust with a guy independent of any lists or comment boards.  The information on sites CoM and MN is ultimately that — information. Escorts (and anyone with the app) can take that info and use it to make safer and better informed decisions — it's not as though you're cancelled forever because one person said you never booked, we all recognize that not every client is going to book. Tbh, I don't think I've ever seen a number that has negative comments from just one provider, and if I did, I would never write someone off based on one or two comments. What's most useful is seeing if there's a pattern of behaviour or red flags that we can take into consideration to protect ourselves.

Sorry for the novel, just was feeling aghast that anyone would think this is controversial or worth disparaging

 

 

 

 

[DWnyc]

23 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Yeah.

I was a "fake" because I didn't hire someone right away. 

And a Latino who didn't know enough English to find a Chicago address claimed I lied about sending him an Uber. His complaint just made it more clear how laughably bad his English was.

Btw to my earlier point looking at the dates and the overlap in the opening language I’d be certain it’s the same person making the complaint from two separate accounts 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

If you know you've done nothing wrong, then it's easy to laugh off a 'review' on Mr Number.

However, there's always those who make me think back to reading Hamlet:

The lady doth protest too much, methinks