Mr Number

[DWnyc]

Applies to providers too.

Some providers who are quite vocal on client behavior they abhor and reference the app as a place where justice is done have pretty damning reviews themselves on Mr N (and this may be why some provider numbers change every so often).

If a negative review doesn’t mean anything and can be laughed off, why are we talking about it so much? Typically the subject is raised by providers, I think traditionally they have used the app as part of a vetting process if they have one while most clients likely don’t even know it exists.

 

 

 

 

[DWnyc]

On 9/8/2023 at 4:57 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I feel the gay hiring scene is stuck in operating on “trust the client, fuck the escort”. And now people want to talk about how we shouldn’t even have a platform to improve safety or avoid red flags?

 

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone suggest We shouldn’t have Mr N. They’ve asked about what it is, we’ve discussed how there’s a mechanism to remove obvious spam or multiple reviews by the same suspected person etc but no one here could have it taken down even if they wanted.

Use whatever system you like. And seek the protections you feel you need.

And remember it works both ways - while clients likely don’t check Mr N for an escort profile as much as vice versa, many providers have comments there associated with their numbers. Sometimes they’ve been enough for me to pass on someone who otherwise met my criteria. 

[DWnyc]

On 9/8/2023 at 11:31 AM, Jason Dutch said:

The call to "expose" escorts sharing information is totally irresponsible and honestly pretty hypocritical given the forum that we're on. Please take a moment to consider what you're suggesting.

 

That wasn’t my takeaway from the collection discussion. Not even sure how it could be done.

False or exaggerated reviews - whether left by providers or clients - is a different matter. But again little that can be done unless the people leaving the reviews expose themselves

There are plenty of horror stories about clients having serious trouble from providers as well - we’ve even seen providers on here sometimes come close to condoning some of that. 

I personally know stories of physical abuse, threats of such, stalking, exposure with colleagues and family and so forth. Some have involved police, one required hospitalization.

So the bottom line is everyone should take precautions for their situation as they see fit. We don’t need to get into a discussion of which side carries the greater risk either collectively or anecdotally. 

But since the discussion has included points such as clients not using apple products are all worthy of greater scrutiny, or (more worryingly) clients needing to surrender some privacy on their identities and associated details in order to engage, we have to contextualize as well.

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

If a negative review doesn’t mean anything and can be laughed off, why are we talking about it so much? 

Those here who are talking about it the most seem to be the ones who have had multiple issues with the platform. 

Mom's logic: If you're not doing anything wrong, you probably don't have anything to worry about. 

Some clients here keep talking about it because this app is trying to level the playing field a bit... And that might have some of them a little worried. 

[DWnyc]

5 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Those here who are talking about it the most seem to be the ones who have had multiple issues with the platform. 

Mom's logic: If you're not doing anything wrong, you probably don't have anything to worry about. 

Some clients here keep talking about it because this app is trying to level the playing field a bit... And that might have some of them a little worried. 

I disagree 

I talk about it because I see the flaws and lack of corrective mechanisms from abuse, which can actually hurt providers more (because they will likely face financial loss from false reviews, a client can just move on to another provider)

I’ve benefited by avoiding some providers (and non-provider situations i.e. hookups) and one electrician … based on reviews on MrN (assuming they were accurate) … so I don’t doubt it’s usefulness including to providers 

I’ve never said ban it, stop it etc - 

I’ve never said providers don’t have the right to vet - I’d be stunned if they didn’t and i 100% support a provider’s right to do so 

But I can also debate or challenge criteria, methodology etc for all parties in how they vet and that’s all.

Your moms logic applied consistently would indicate that providers speaking up on this issue a little too much may also have things to hide / know that they employ practices that justify client fears in such situations 

 

 

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

7 hours ago, DWnyc said:

Your moms logic applied consistently would indicate that providers speaking up on this issue a little too much may also have things to hide / know that they employ practices that justify client fears in such situations 

Agreed.  It's why I protected myself from a blanket statement with the adjective 'probably'

Other than that, realistically, any system is going to be gamed.  That's just the nature of systems.  Ideally, Mr Number could work on some front end protocols to shore-up the app, but that likely depends on how many complaints they get and if that chops into their bottom line.

[DWnyc]

Until the hobby is legalized in the US there probably isn’t much that can be done to breach some key deficiencies in vetting specific to the trade (eg anonymity preferences by many if not most clients and even some providers means a telephone number may be all someone has to go on).

And so those needing something like this will have to rely on 3rd party apps designed for a different purpose, perhaps, for the time being.

 

 

 

[marylander1940]

15 hours ago, BenjaminNicholas said:

Those here who are talking about it the most seem to be the ones who have had multiple issues with the platform. 

Mom's logic: If you're not doing anything wrong, you probably don't have anything to worry about. 

Some clients here keep talking about it because this app is trying to level the playing field a bit... And that might have some of them a little worried. 

[SpadeKing]

Here’s why a simple “time waster” comment about me/on my number doesn’t really bother me. If an appointment doesn’t push through because my masseur or myself couldn’t be on the same page, and they leave a comment that I was a time waster, I could come here and write about them too.

But forget about me. I have an anecdote I like to share about Mr Number. I introduced this app to one of my regular masseurs. And here’s why…

A few months ago, during one of my regular visits to him, I asked him how a recent business trip went. He went out of state for a massage trip. He said all was great except for one client who had a massage, then did not pay because he “forgot his card and will go get it in the car”, and never returned. My masseur said he trusted the client since the vibe and attitude throughout the session was friendly and trusting — he now knows better of course.

I said it was unfortunate and so I introduced the app to him. I asked him if he knew about it. And he said no. So I showed him the app, looked up the number, and found these comments from many other providers the client has already apparently stolen from. Had he known about the app, he could have saved himself from the incident and blocked the client.

I still have the search history and I am sharing the screenshot of comments. And this is why when they call me a time waster (I only have somone comment on my number once), I don’t mind it especially if the providers see much worse comments such as these below. I like to think it’s comments and people like these that they are trying to avoid, not someone like me whose appointment did not work out and then called a time waster. 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by SpadeKing

[TracerMain]

8 hours ago, SpadeKing said:

 

While now I’m curious if there’s anything said about me, reading the comments just gave me chills. Just imagining what they had to go through, omg. I can’t believe there are people out there who take advantage of masseurs/masseuse and escorts, especially because I’ve built good friendship with many of them and any of them could be a victim! Thank you for sharing. 

[soloyo215]

It gets me curious too. I wonder what they could be saying about me, but at the same time, I have been a good and respectful client. It's more curiosity than worry. Maybe one of them posted my picture if they have it.

I do endorse having a platform where providers can share reliable information about clients to protect themselves, especially in this line of work.

[+ DrownedBoy]

4 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

It gets me curious too. I wonder what they could be saying about me, but at the same time, I have been a good and respectful client. It's more curiosity than worry. Maybe one of them posted my picture if they have it.

I do endorse having a platform where providers can share reliable information about clients to protect themselves, especially in this line of work.

No matter how nice and honest someone is, there will always be dishonest complainers. That's why "reputation companies" exist, to scrub cyberspace of all the nasty things said about you.

After reading all this stuff, I wonder if I should try that as a side gig.

[Wanderoz]

My God! Does this discussion ever end? 
Somebody just print it all out, wallpaper a house with it, & post photos. 

[DWnyc]

9 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

It gets me curious too. I wonder what they could be saying about me, but at the same time, I have been a good and respectful client. It's more curiosity than worry. Maybe one of them posted my picture if they have it.

I do endorse having a platform where providers can share reliable information about clients to protect themselves, especially in this line of work.

I don’t think you can post a picture on MrN.

but maybe you can on some of the private networks some providers have discussed.

[DWnyc]

3 hours ago, Wanderoz said:

My God! Does this discussion ever end? 
Somebody just print it all out, wallpaper a house with it, & post photos. 

What else would we talk about then? 

[soloyo215]

2 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I don’t think you can post a picture on MrN.

but maybe you can on some of the private networks some providers have discussed.

Thanks. I didn't know. I wonder how long that app has been around.  Do you know?

[soloyo215]

7 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

No matter how nice and honest someone is, there will always be dishonest complainers. That's why "reputation companies" exist, to scrub cyberspace of all the nasty things said about you.

After reading all this stuff, I wonder if I should try that as a side gig.

Absolutely. There will always also be complainers about unrelated things, or complainers about complainers, or abusers of review systems. It's like passengers complaining to the airline agents about the weather.

[NJF]

2 hours ago, soloyo215 said:

Thanks. I didn't know. I wonder how long that app has been around.  Do you know?

It started around 2013.

[soloyo215]

3 hours ago, NJF said:

It started around 2013.

Thanks. I also noticed that it used to be a free app, then they started charging. Thanks for the info.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Well whaddaya know: I decided to check my number, and have a couple or so reports myself 😂 

Interestingly enough, I know exactly who 1 of them was: from a “couple” who sent pictures of “themselves” (And I doubt it was even real, looked like some roided up Instagram couple) who texted me from 6:57 a.m. on a Sunday, all the way til 5:30 p.m. that day. And hadn’t sent an address or confirmation at any point during that time, just a barrage of questions. And claims “he got mad because I asked if partys”. Lol

No, the reason I got “very angry” 🙃 is because: 

#1: texted me at 7 in the morning

#2: spent 9 hours exchanging texts

#3: stopped texting entirely after giving me a time “they were thinking” (with no address included). I then responded with a time I could meet, and didn’t get a single reply for the rest of the night 🤔 

 

So I can agree to an extent that, the platform can be abused. And I don’t even think the person was who they claimed to be. I had already confirmed before, there was someone who contacted me and sent me pictures of a gay couple, claiming he wanted an appointment.
 

“They” ended up flaking out. Turns out, it was some completely different guy married to a woman, looking nothing like the photos of the “Gay couple” he sent (I have other ways than Mr. Number to verify). 

So, the reviews are one thing: but there’s also fake people posting fake reviews and just trying to put a dent in someone’s reputation. However, reviews on RM are likely more accurate than that site.
 

My only gripe with Mr. Number is, although you can “write your own report” you can’t directly respond to a report. And their editing of a report is just screwy, and will simply add another report.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:41 PM, SpadeKing said:

Here’s why a simple “time waster” comment about me/on my number doesn’t really bother me. If an appointment doesn’t push through because my masseur or myself couldn’t be on the same page, and they leave a comment that I was a time waster, I could come here and write about them too.

In my experience: I’m finding the #1 thing that breeds a timewaster, is people not reading the ads. I know this for a fact because, I recently had to emphasize it in my profile. If someone reaches out and asks what my rate is, I know they haven’t read the ad. If they seem shocked or resistant to sending a deposit, then I know they haven’t read the ad. Then when it’s an issue, it’s almost a default: time waster. 
 

I’ve been able to make my interactions just a little bit easier, by just making sure they have read the ad, which also directs to my website. Once I get that part out the way, then we’re on the right track. But just clicking on an ad and texting blindly, without reading anything: almost defeats the purpose of writing anything at all.

Edited September 18, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[curiouscuriousity]

I downloaded Mr. Number and how can one leave a comment or read comments?

[marylander1940]

On 9/12/2023 at 1:41 PM, SpadeKing said:

Here’s why a simple “time waster” comment about me/on my number doesn’t really bother me. If an appointment doesn’t push through because my masseur or myself couldn’t be on the same page, and they leave a comment that I was a time waster, I could come here and write about them too.

But forget about me. I have an anecdote I like to share about Mr Number. I introduced this app to one of my regular masseurs. And here’s why…

A few months ago, during one of my regular visits to him, I asked him how a recent business trip went. He went out of state for a massage trip. He said all was great except for one client who had a massage, then did not pay because he “forgot his card and will go get it in the car”, and never returned. My masseur said he trusted the client since the vibe and attitude throughout the session was friendly and trusting — he now knows better of course.

I said it was unfortunate and so I introduced the app to him. I asked him if he knew about it. And he said no. So I showed him the app, looked up the number, and found these comments from many other providers the client has already apparently stolen from. Had he known about the app, he could have saved himself from the incident and blocked the client.

I still have the search history and I am sharing the screenshot of comments. And this is why when they call me a time waster (I only have somone comment on my number once), I don’t mind it especially if the providers see much worse comments such as these below. I like to think it’s comments and people like these that they are trying to avoid, not someone like me whose appointment did not work out and then called a time waster. 

 

and that's why some escorts/masseurs prefer to be paid upfront. 

 

[soloyo215]

On 9/19/2023 at 5:42 PM, marylander1940 said:

and that's why some escorts/masseurs prefer to be paid upfront. 

 

Interesting that the "money up front" thing was a scam towards me, the client. That doesn't remove any risk from any of the parties.

[+ Axiom2001]

On 7/10/2023 at 7:33 PM, MikeH10 said:

an app (for caller ID, spam calls, etc), that also allows for reporting/commenting on phone numbers - used by some providers as described above. IIRC, the app requires a subscription to access the full commenting features.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/mr-number-lookup-call-block/id1047334922

Today is Saturday, September 23, 2023.  Out of curiosity I came to this thread and found out about "Mr. Number."  Prior to my seeing my last escort, I did some research by sending "Chat" questions, etc. to some of that escorts' previous clients.  Three clients responded which allayed my apprehension.  The escort himself responded back to me and stated that since I've been asking about him, he'd done some research about me and would waive the required deposit.  During all of the years that I've engaged the services of escorts here and abroad, I've NEVER been asked for a deposit.

Well, our time was pleasurable and quite positive.

I wonder if I'm on "Mr. Number."