$400 is TOO MUCH

[+ tassojunior]

12 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Craigslist and rentboy closures were a scam by misguided church ladies

Kamala's a church lady? 

She's the one who put the gay men running BackPage in prison in a vendetta against buying sex. 

[coriolis888]

5 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

Kamala's a church lady? 

She's the one who put the gay men running BackPage in prison in a vendetta against buying sex. 

I should have written, "church-lady TYPES"

Not correct about Harris instrumental about locking up owners of BackPage.

Back to the subject of escort fees being unreasonable

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

49 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Stop complaining.

I'd usually agree, but seeing as this board is now the de facto place for clients to come and chew the fat, I think that letting people complain is probably the best course of action.  It's just human nature.

While it won't actually do or change anything in the industry, posting this is, symbolically, a way to clear someone's own personal blockages...  At least for a little while.

People just want to be heard.  Even if it's in an echo chamber.

 

Edited May 23, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[+ tassojunior]

Usually my experience is new escorts' concept of supply and demand is that when you're not getting enough demand, raise the prices to compensate. But this time it is because of the pandemic shortage of escorts and clients' savings during lockdown.  

There really is a shortage of new young guys coming in the trade. I do my part advising as many good looking guys as I can that they should take the opportunity. 😊

[LaSanta]

16 hours ago, Pensant said:

I don’t think I’ve had orange juice in 25 years. It’s one of those things, like pasta, that I’ve lost a taste for. But you make a good point.

Right.

[coriolis888]

20 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

Reminder: sex workers price their services according to demand and supply.

Want lots of clients? Price low. Want no clients, price high. 

Edited above for reality

[+ jessmapex]

One argument I see for $400 pricing is rising demand combined with lack of fresh arrivals. With loneliness at epidemic levels, raised expectations about looks and body (due to excessive consumption of online porn, touched up Instagram filtered pix of youthful men who spend hours in a gym and peddle fitness advise and protein powders and drinks) that can not be met by avg real-life people,  and reduced stigma around paid sex, I am sure there is more demand for escorts than before. Also, lately I don't see a whole lot of eastern European visitors advertising ( I think the pandemic changed that traffic). Brazilians show up, but in fewer numbers. Thus, the supply chain has disrupted and OnlyFans and Chaturbate, in addition to FOSTA AND SESTA has minimized the local crop. Hence prices could be up.  I guess, my only choice is to keep it in the pants as long as I can.

Edited May 24, 2023 by jessmapex
Typo

[sjmuktop]

12 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

We’ve all heard plenty from Jarrod about his frustration with clients, with no resolution. Let clients have a turn!

 

That guy is definitely in the wrong job - he has nothing good to say about what he does at all, he’s constantly negative and on a downer about his escorting. Surely, he must be able to do something else if he hates it that much!

[Guest]

2 hours ago, sjmuktop said:

That guy is definitely in the wrong job - he has nothing good to say about what he does at all, he’s constantly negative and on a downer about his escorting. Surely, he must be able to do something else if he hates it that much!

@Jarrod_Uncut your fan club speaketh. 

[menaughty]

In my humble opinion $400 is too much. Heck even $300 is too much tbh. $250 should be the cap. I haven't hired in the US for almost 2 years now. I take trips to Barcelona or Brazil  etc. (I understand that the cost is more in total) but I get more bang for my buck.

I am no stingy person. But the reason I do not agree with these prices is because we talking about RM here. I can only speak from my experience, majority are not outclass, excellent providers. We are talking 400/HOUR here. You can only do the deed and leave. There is no "experience" so to speak. 

Now I understand someone who is pornstar material or is one can probably charge that but not just anybody.

I really like someone here mentioned that high cost does not equate with high equality in this industry. This is so true!! 

It is slowly become rare to find a provider that is excellent quality, some want money upfront, cut the time short, do not follow what agreed upon etc. etc.

[KeepItReal]

1 hour ago, menaughty said:

In my humble opinion $400 is too much. Heck even $300 is too much tbh. $250 should be the cap. I haven't hired in the US for almost 2 years now. I take trips to Barcelona or Brazil  etc. (I understand that the cost is more in total) but I get more bang for my buck.

I am no stingy person. But the reason I do not agree with these prices is because we talking about RM here. I can only speak from my experience, majority are not outclass, excellent providers. We are talking 400/HOUR here. You can only do the deed and leave. There is no "experience" so to speak. 

Now I understand someone who is pornstar material or is one can probably charge that but not just anybody.

I really like someone here mentioned that high cost does not equate with high equality in this industry. This is so true!! 

It is slowly become rare to find a provider that is excellent quality, some want money upfront, cut the time short, do not follow what agreed upon etc. etc.

In the eternal words of that great philosopher, Austin Powers: Yay Capitalism! 

In my experience - a great experience can be had and is worth paying for. 

Edited May 24, 2023 by KeepItReal

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread are posters who are dictating what rates should be for another human being.  How this rate is too much, period.  That a cap for an escort should exist.

Sorry kids...  That's not going to happen.  And as much as you don't like it, prices aren't backsliding down to when you did most of your hiring in the early-aughts.  Time marches forward and so does cost of living.

Like I said before, if it's too much, move on.  Keep it simple.

Don't show your hand and make it personal.  That's a classic ham-and-egger move.

 

Edited May 24, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[mike carey]

As others have said, if $400 is too much for you don't pay it, but to say that $400 is a price that is beyond the Pale is to bay at the moon. You can no more command the price of an escort go down than you can command that of the price of petrol, all you can do is shop around. As @Simon Suraci and @BenjaminNicholas have said far more eloquently than I ever could, escorts are running a business. They set their prices and they live and die on whether they can attract customers at those prices. Some set prices below $400 and that works for them, others charge $400 or more and still succeed. That's life.

[Milo Janus]

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

[+ FrankR]

8 minutes ago, Milo Janus said:

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

This “Mr Freeze” thing makes no sense to me. Would you be willing to have your employer freeze your salary at 2020 levels? Of course not. So why would you expect that from a provider?  🤔

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

2 hours ago, Milo Janus said:

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

It's as if you never noticed that new vehicles that were $7k in 1976 are now $40k+

Or, that gasoline was 75-85 cents a gallon through much of the '80s.  Now $4/gal all-in seems cheap.

No amount of hemming and hawing will stop prices- of anything- from increasing.  That is the nature of economics and the simple ugly truth of inflation.  

You do always have a choice:  Either play the game or get off the ferris wheel altogether. 

In your original post you turned the phrase average joes...  But truth be told, most of this industry doesn't cater or function around those with minimal funds.  This is a recreational activity for gentleman who have the discretionary income to purchase what they want, when they want it. 

That doesn't have to mean filthy rich, but certainly financially secure enough to not sweat the single hourly meet.

Edited May 24, 2023 by BenjaminNicholas

[menaughty]

@Simon Suraci

Thank you for your detailed post. Though I would never agree on $400 but your post made me see things from providers perspective. I respect that. 

 

[Tandy Newton]

For the persons who keep saying, its the reality of cost of living? That's the point, wages are not keeping up with the cost of living. Unless those pushing back are simply saying, this is an industry for people with only deep pockets? I gave my opinion its too much and I do move on. I either go to my local bate club, or bathhouse or use the apps and I have two hookups scheduled this week. Also, every evening at the train station, I have hot muscular bottoms sending me provocative pics to drop a load and leave. So, I am not really missing out here. But how far can you go for sex? Are providers really ready to risk pricing themselves out of the business? I turned to RM because I got tired of the games on the apps. But that seemed to have changed in the past year with more successful commitments.

[+ purplekow]

I have been hiring for a long time and I pretty much hire men I have hired in the past.  They may have changed their rates, but not for me.  So, if you want a bargain, find a regular or 4 and keep them for years.  If you want variety once and again, dig a little deeper or look a litter longer.  

If the rates are too high for your budget or your taste, a simple I can do 50 less or I can do 2 hours at a lesser per hour might change the tune. If not, move on or pay up.  

[+ FrankR]

4 hours ago, purplekow said:

I have been hiring for a long time and I pretty much hire men I have hired in the past.  They may have changed their rates, but not for me.  So, if you want a bargain, find a regular or 4 and keep them for years.  

Come on @purplekow give your years long, repeat providers a raise! 😋 

[pubic_assistance]

22 hours ago, Milo Janus said:

Here is one of the main reasons I think $400 is too much that I did not elucidate in my opening post:  How long before that $400 becomes $500?  How long before that $500 becomes $600 and so on?  At this rate, the 'normal' rate will be $1,000/hr or very close to it by 2030.   You can quote me on that.

My grandmother told me the rent on her (lovely) house was $ 18 a month when she first married. Her neighbors thought that was an outrageous amount of rent for a two bedroom home, when most people on the block were paying $16 a month for a THREE bedroom.

There's this thing called inflation that prevents you from going back to the way things used to be.

Edited May 25, 2023 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[+ purplekow]

11 hours ago, FrankR said:

Come on @purplekow give your years long, repeat providers a raise! 😋 

I am a reliable, no hassle client who takes them out to dinner or buys them a small token on many visits.  I accept their cancellations or tardiness without complaint and, on occasion, will slip and extra $50 in the envelop.  If they asked for a raise. I would consider it, but considering that I think I am an easy client who is great in bed, I think perhaps they ought to consider giving me a discount.   😃

[IamAdamRose]

On 5/24/2023 at 1:01 PM, BenjaminNicholas said:

I think what's most telling/revealing in this thread are posters who are dictating what rates should be for another human being.  How this rate is too much, period.  That a cap for an escort should exist.

Sorry kids...  That's not going to happen.  And as much as you don't like it, prices aren't backsliding down to when you did most of your hiring in the early-aughts.  Time marches forward and so does cost of living.

Like I said before, if it's too much, move on.  Keep it simple.

Don't show your hand and make it personal.  That's a classic ham-and-egger move.

 

Well said…. Some of these clients just don’t understand 

[+ tassojunior]

I think it's funny that many of the very people who think $400 is too high will tip $100 on a $300 date and not see any connection to rates rising. Whether it's housing, or groceries, or autos, prices rise to what the consumer has to spend. 

Luckily the American tourists have not spoiled it for us who visit Europe a lot where the best-looking guys in the world are still $150-$200 outcall ($50-$100 in private rooms in saunas.)

Edited May 26, 2023 by tassojunior

[BSR]

On 5/24/2023 at 4:58 AM, menaughty said:

In my humble opinion $400 is too much. Heck even $300 is too much tbh. $250 should be the cap. I haven't hired in the US for almost 2 years now. I take trips to Barcelona or Brazil  etc. (I understand that the cost is more in total) but I get more bang for my buck.

As much as I think that complaining about higher rates is pointless, I understand that many clients simply don't have the budget for $400 guys.  So they gotta get creative.

Yes, your total cost is higher abroad, but you're also killing 2 birds with 1 stone: vacation to a great place and plenty of chapero ("escort" in Spain, don't know the word in Brazil) good times.

As @tassojunior points out, rates are much lower in Europe.  Find a cheap flight, cheap eats, opt for non-posh hotel, and hire to your heart's content.  To think, in a great city like Barcelona, you can hire 6 chaperos at Thermas and buy tickets for Parque Guell+Sagrada Familia for the cost of 1 escort stateside!