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1 hour ago, italianboyph said:

Honestly if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth. That way the price is already shown and if they can't do the price, they can move on.

I have emailed RentMen and Adam multiple times asking to allow rates again, even if it’s just to say booking cost or massage price etc. neither seem in a hurry to do so.

Hate to say it, but they’re part of the solution and the headache. The timewasters are just the by-product. If I was running the site, I would not even allow people to contact me, unless they clicked on my rate. It’d say something like: CLICK HERE FOR MY PRICE AND PHONE NUMBER. 
 

Matter of fact, I used to direct clients to my client introduction page on my site. Now, I have my pricing page as the homepage. Because some people will claim to not even know how to find that, even though they brilliantly found my number on RentMasseur, skipping over all the other boxes. 

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2 hours ago, italianboyph said:

if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth

We want this too! Fully agree it helps smooth out the whole process for both parties. Thank you @Jarrod_Uncut for emailing RentMen to request this change. I have low expectations for RentMen to change, and if so, any time soon.

Honestly we want to be as transparent and straightforward as possible regarding rates with our clients. We can always be better about attitude and patience when clients ask, but the problem here (specific to RentMen) is a system over which we have no control and the way it’s set up makes it more difficult than necessary for clients to get the info they need upfront.

If we could change it, we certainly would. Unfortunately, FOSTA-SESTA laws in the US heavily influence decisions at RentMen and other platforms and companies. Those decisions are symptomatic of the cause, which is policy.

In light of all this, we might better direct our energies and frustrations into making state and federal policy changes with our voting decisions and other political action. I’ll stop there to avoid getting too far into political topics.

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@pubic_assistance "... handshakes and smiles in the board room..." but that's really what we are talking about here aren't we? There's no written contract that says "paying $X, will entitle you to A, C, and H."  

And @Simon Suraci that's one of the key difference from a construction contract. Neither party has a enforceable contract, and therefore, no way to force the other to conform to the agreement.  

In another posting @Jamie21 said one his clients stated “oh, cash…it’s always cash only for my dealer, my cleaner and my hooker!” That really hits the nail on the head for the the deals clients are making here with providers. That, at least in the US, these deals  aren't really above board. I submit that it's implicit to nearly any illegal deal, for most people, to assume that there's room for negotiation in what will be paid and recieved.  

Is it wrong, or tacky, or cheap, to negotiate with a dealer or a cleaner? I assume some of you are thinking that 'I can't go to a dispensary and negotiate,' but keep in mind, since they are truly legal, there are state remedies if they falsely advertise or misrepresent what they are selling.  

Likewise, I am sure some people are thinking 'that this is a "personal" and "intimate" service, so it falls outside the bounds of what should be negotiated for.' BUT, I assume providers negotiate with one another. I assume that every threesome ever done was not a 50/50 split. I assume every only fans video ever shot wasn't a 50/50 split. I assume that porn studios negotiate with actors for what they are paying them. Obviously, when it comes right down to it, the adding of photography or a third person makes the act(s) being done no less personal or intimate

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6 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Tying back to the OP question…the baseline is known (or easily knowable with the smallest bit of research)...

I am assuming when you say "known" and "knowable," you are referring to 'asking price.' If you are talking about actual 'paid price,' I assume that you actually mean to say "assumed" and "assumable." I don't mean to be snide, but unless you're doing books for friends or colleagues, you can only assume that they are being honest and up front with you. We may have different views of humanity, but I believe, even with friends, people often over inflate their personal and business prowess.

In my time here, albeit short, I have seen a number posts from providers talk about their rates and negotiations. On the opposite side of the coin, I have seen a number of clients make statements about not willing to pay X to a provider and/or negotiating. What I haven't seen said, or asked, is what clients pay for X service, or what the quoted rate was for X and what negotiations finished out at.

Maybe it would be a good topic for a forum? 🤷🏻

And yes, I would assume, some client responses would have over inflated prowess.

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8 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

I am aware that people have different negotiating styles. Mine is always the gentleman's agreement, and no one ever feels slighted. I live in NYC where sharks surround victims in business deals, daily. I never want to be one of those people. They may have handshakes and smiles in the board room, but are always the ones spoken of in hatred behind their back.

With due respect how on earth do you know for a fact that “no one” ever feels slighted? How do you know you are not spoken of in a way that may surprise you behind your back?

Yours truly,

Fellow New Yorker

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We can agree, disagree, disrespect, admire etc each other for our positions. Doesn’t sound like anyone is changing anyone else’s opinions on this but it’s been interesting hearing some views I hadn’t considered even if I find them surprising or disagree.

The bottom line, literally, is that negotiation will be a part of this business for the foreseeable future and maybe always. Regardless of if some find it tacky, abusive, an affront to a human being’s worth etc.

It takes two to negotiate with resolution. Neither a client or a provider is putting a gun to the other’s head and either can walk away at any time if the situation is offensive enough to outweigh business sense. 

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50 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

What I haven't seen said, or asked, is what clients pay for X service, or what the quoted rate was for X and what negotiations finished out at.

@RadioRob is actually working on addressing this issue now in a new reviews section. See the pinned topics in The Deli and Spas and Masseurs sections. He’s creating value fields where you can see provider and masseur posted rates and compare it to what clients actually paid, and even what they tipped. In theory, if clients are posting truthfully what went down, you will have a much clearer view into the information you mention. Alas, it’s in development, but coming soon, and then improved versions to follow after that still.

56 minutes ago, APPLE1 said:

"known" and "knowable," you are referring to 'asking price.'

Correct, I mean advertised or quoted prices.

To break it down, I mean the price a provider quotes you when you text them to inquire about a service and they respond with $XXX which is consistent with any advertised prices (if any) on a platform that allows their pricing to be posted.

We may be splitting hairs here, but the word “asking” price implies any provider is open to negotiations, as if there is an “or best offer” attached at the end. At least that’s how I consider the word “asking”, like a house could sell for under asking price, although I recognize that’s not an apples to apples comparison.

Some providers are open to negotiation, however most are not. I advise against clients initiating a negotiation because in my opinion I agree with others that it’s tacky, or at best a waste of both parties’ time. You don’t have to listen to my suggestion though. The provider is a big boy. He doesn’t have to engage a negotiation, and he need not be rude or blast off to the client about how insulted he is. At best he can politely decline. At worst, ignore. Or maybe he is one of the few who will entertain offers. If you don’t care about being tacky (and you don’t have to care about it!) nothing is stopping you. Negotiate to your heart’s content with those who will engage. But don’t be surprised or offended when he says some version of ‘no’, or ghosts you.

If the provider initiates a negotiation, by all means go for it. My experience tells me that way more often than not, a provider will not go there. If he wants more business, he will lower his advertised rates and quote you those rates. If he’s happy with the amount of business he does, he will not. Occasionally he may do a one-off negotiation, so you never know. There are no rules.

1 hour ago, APPLE1 said:

Neither party has a enforceable contract

I’m no lawyer so I have no authority to say with much confidence, but I’ll share how I think about it. If neither party is willing or able to enforce such a contract (verbal or written) in a court of law, it is, for practical purposes, an unenforceable contract…due to the fact that neither party is engaging in a legal business activity in the first place.

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11 minutes ago, Simon Suraci said:

Some providers are open to negotiation, however most are not. I advise against clients initiating a negotiation because in my opinion I agree with others that it’s tacky, or at best a waste of both parties’ time.

My personal experience is different on the “most are not” issue. I would place it more at 50% over the last year. But we can agree to disagree, and as I’ve caveated with every post I’ve made on this, I’ll repeat I’ve never initiated a negotiation with a provider, and i’m Including the times a provider has wanted to keep negotiating while I have lost interest. I’ve never led anyone down the path of negotiation just for fun, it has always been out of politeness and curiosity, and the minute I’ve felt this won’t work I’ve ended the conversation out of respect for their time (and mine) and so as not to set false expectations.

It may be an issue of sample set or subset of the market or a peculiarity oF my geography (Boston down to DC including New York).   i’m just trying to understand how our perspectives could be so different (on the prevalence of providers being open to negotiate, not the issue of if it’s tacky etc or not).

I’ll add the gentlemen I’m speaking about are all from RM so I’m not including those who eg have hit me up on dating sites or on the subway (it’s a thing …), I’m very mindful of each new hire so I check out their reviews on the site and on here including DM with people who’ve engaged them. Don’t think I’ve ever engaged someone who didn’t have at least one credible positive review. These aren’t guys from the bottom of the barrel by any means and I would say they are typically mid price in my market with some at the premium end. 

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2 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

In another posting @Jamie21 said one his clients stated “oh, cash…it’s always cash only for my dealer, my cleaner and my hooker!” That really hits the nail on the head for the the deals clients are making here with providers. That, at least in the US, these deals  aren't really above board. I submit that it's implicit to nearly any illegal deal, for most people, to assume that there's room for negotiation in what will be paid and recieved.  

Hey I loved that comment from my client! As he said it he pulled out a big wad of notes and peeled a few off to pay me. I imagined he was then going to meet his dealer (if there’s a stereotype of someone who’s off to meet his dealer my client certainly wasn’t that….he looked more like he was heading to church on a Sunday!). 

6 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Now, I have my pricing page as the homepage.

Great idea. My pricing is on a separate page that clients seem unable to find. I think I’ll put all the ‘deal breakers’ on the home page: Rates, location, availability. So many times the arrangements have progressed a little only for the client to say ‘oh that’s out of my budget’…or, ‘Oh you’re in London? I thought you were in xxx (usually some obscure corner of their home city or town in the US??)’. 

 

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1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

My personal experience is different on the “most are not” issue. I would place it more at 50% over the last year. But we can agree to disagree, and as I’ve caveated with every post I’ve made on this, I’ll repeat I’ve never initiated a negotiation with a provider, and i’m Including the times a provider has wanted to keep negotiating while I have lost interest. I’ve never led anyone down the path of negotiation just for fun, it has always been out of politeness and curiosity, and the minute I’ve felt this won’t work I’ve ended the conversation out of respect for their time (and mine) and so as not to set false expectations.

It may be an issue of sample set or subset of the market or a peculiarity oF my geography (Boston down to DC including New York).   i’m just trying to understand how our perspectives could be so different (on the prevalence of providers being open to negotiate, not the issue of if it’s tacky etc or not).

I’ll add the gentlemen I’m speaking about are all from RM so I’m not including those who eg have hit me up on dating sites or on the subway (it’s a thing …), I’m very mindful of each new hire so I check out their reviews on the site and on here including DM with people who’ve engaged them. Don’t think I’ve ever engaged someone who didn’t have at least one credible positive review. These aren’t guys from the bottom of the barrel by any means and I would say they are typically mid price in my market with some at the premium end. 

I can echo that for my own experience in the Northwest and Midwest. Again, I have never negotiated with a provider on rate. On RentMen (it's the only one I see the point of actually logging into), I frequently have had providers see that I viewed them, and then send me what I assume are stock messages with info and rates.

I have a pretty specific type that I look for physically. Looking at the full profile already told me that they weren't "it," so I hadn't messaged them initially. I politely reply back with "thanks, but I am looking for X physically."

I would estimate that about 75% of the time I get a response back like "if you can't find what you're looking for exactly, and change your mind, I can see you for $Y" (reduced rate) .

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9 hours ago, italianboyph said:

Honestly if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth. That way the price is already shown and if they can't do the price, they can move on.

And the other thing they need to stop doing, is making a default pop up window whenever someone clicks on a provider’s website link in profile that says “warning the site you’re viewing may be trying to phish for your information. And some people can’t decipher the difference. It’s not a warning against my website, it’s a general warning against fake and scam links.

It’s like damn, are y’all tryin to work with us or against us? If it’s that bad, just have every advertiser do a brief video interview consultation before placing an Ad. I am not mad at RentMen/Mass but I feel like I’m having to do too much work when I’m already paying to be there. 

People can talk all the smack they want about customer service, etc etc but they aren’t dealing with the same thing day after day after day….

…after day, after day, after day, hour after hour after hour after hour. 

And all this can be easily avoided by making 2 or 3 changes. Put our rates back up (it don’t even need to be rates, it can just say “porn star Booking fee) let personal websites be easily accessible, and make clients pay into something to instant message us because I have dozens of RentMen messages that have gone nowhere. 
 

If I have to keep wishing and repeating the same shit every month, I’m just going to start making everyone contact me by booking form or mail if they’re too afraid of a deposit…not email but, P.O. Box. Include a money order and email address to receive response 😆 

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1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

I suggest we see what data surfaces and revisit when the new review section is out of beta mode and live. Reviews collect info in a consistent way. After enough time a sizable sample data set will give us a clearer view.

Sure and maybe that will also bring out some data on regional trends and variation by type of provider and service, though I reserve judgement on how scientific everything will be (while no doubt fascinating).

At the end of the day this isn’t an issue about data.

I believe what triggered the OP was what he felt was rude, tone, words, all being disrespectful etc and that’s about the character and personality of both those dishing it out and those reacting. If we all tried to be nicer to each other (sounds corny but it’s true) and also more thick/skinned and recognized the realities of what it can take to get things done, that might make all these discussions on ifnpeople negotiate, is it tacky or not etc rather moot. 

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7 hours ago, DWnyc said:

How do you know you are not spoken of in a way that may surprise you behind your back?

Of course that cannot be 100% known. But the assumption is good because my negotiating is never about pressuring someone to accept less for the same work they quoted. I will say the budget doesn't allow this so how can it be done differently. Or what do we need to cut out to bring it to budget. But I never suggest they are gauging me and should simply do the same job but for less money. That's tacky in all negotiating.

My point being is that we find a solution that everyone agrees with . So no one walks away from the table feeling like I took advantage of the situation. Same way I won't negotiate with a masseur or escort. Who am I to tell them they're over estimating their due ??? If other men are willing to pay $1000 for a hot fuck...then go for it. Don't suck MY dick for $500 just because I want to pay $500.

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7 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Of course that cannot be 100% known. But the assumption is good because my negotiating is never about pressuring someone to accept less for the same work they quoted. I will say the budget doesn't allow this so how can it be done differently. Or what do we need to cut out to bring it to budget. But I never suggest they are gauging me and should simply do the same job but for less money. That's tacky in all negotiating.

My point being is that we find a solution that everyone agrees with . So no one walks away from the table feeling like I took advantage of the situation. Same way I won't negotiate with a masseur or escort. Who am I to tell them they're over estimating their due ??? If other men are willing to pay $1000 for a hot fuck...then go for it. Don't suck MY dick for $500 just because I want to pay $500

Are we actually debating the same thing?

I’m saying I don’t negotiate unless invited to by a provider, you say you never accuse a provider of gouging you. They don’t seem contradictory or related.

Similarly you say let’s find a way to ensure no one walks away feeling taken advantage of … and I say I’ll only negotiate if a provider invites me to negotiate, and will only hire him if we agree on terms acceptable to him, so  how am I taking advantage of him? 

I read this exchange as one of us saying “I only go out on a date if they accept my offer to go out on a date with me …” while The other says “I don’t force people to endure harassment or violence …”

And this business about the rate being the worth of a human being …

I don’t see it that way. If tomorrow the provider gets a scar on his face because of an accident, or he starts losing his hair, or putting on weight … does his worth as a human being change? His rate likely will.

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23 hours ago, italianboyph said:

Honestly if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth. That way the price is already shown and if they can't do the price, they can move on.

I have seen some RM who have an automated feature on their RentMen messenger. If anyone tries to contact them with it, it automatically responds with rates and a reminder to text them if you're interested.

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On 4/26/2023 at 9:49 PM, italianboyph said:

Yeah, I just kept to physically have on the profile. A few years back they actually let you put the rates on your profile

At this point, considering what’s going on with the former “guy who has resorts in different cities”, I think there needs to be some sort of urgent revision to the whole Sesta Fosta thing. Like it should be announced:

Even though, I did happen to drive by the ones near Miami Beach one year. Definitely stunning:

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Matter of fact, since this whole thing: I went ahead and just put my donations up to where I feel it needs to be. I feel some people expect me to do the same I was in 2010. When there was more clients and I could get away with lower prices. Now due to fewer websites, more guys popping up, and hookup apps: A lower rate may sound good to many, but unless I’m getting 1-3 LOCAL clients daily who are actually SERIOUS, Then maybe I could.

Now If I was living there, maybe then someone could call me expensive. But I’m not there yet so, it makes no sense.

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On 4/28/2023 at 1:04 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Now due to fewer websites, more guys popping up, and hookup apps: A lower rate may sound good to many, but unless I’m getting 1-3 LOCAL clients daily who are actually SERIOUS, Then maybe I could.

 

Are you saying you are competing with hookup apps like Grindr where people meet for free? 

That doesn’t make sense to me. 

Then you’re saying you’re offering something for $$$ vs a product that is zero dollars.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, NyGold said:

Are you saying you are competing with hookup apps like Grindr where people meet for free? 

That doesn’t make sense to me. 

Then you’re saying you’re offering something for $$$ vs a product that is zero dollars.

 

 

 

Yes, we are. But only to an extent. The issue is more complex and insidious than it seems on the surface. Hookup apps can and do affect business. Especially in rural areas. In my area, and even in medium market/Low-Middle Class cities: Hookup apps are king for gay meets. Meanwhile, RentMasseur and RentMen are pretty much dead in those same areas. Then they come to us, expecting me to play around like the app guys do: text 1 word sentences, trade pics, flake and etc etc. It doesn’t have to be a direct competition, but when it’s the most commonplace way to connect, it’s bound to have some affect. 
 

Granted, most guys who hire are aware of those apps and the time wasted/flakes/or even actual legit hot guys who simply aren’t available short notice, like many request us to do. So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

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On 4/30/2023 at 2:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

I take offense (not personally) at referring to online dating apps as “thrift store”. There are plenty who would refer to the RM apps and both the providers and clients using them in certain ways that all of us on here might find offensive too.

The needs and outcomes of apps like Grindr are different from the RMs. You’re in serious business trouble if you think Grindr is your competition in any way. Time, inconvenience etc that comes from using those apps have low effective value to the demographic markets you describe.

Of course apps like Grindr affect how people communicate when it comes to arranging to meet. Just like Craigslist did before and gay bars did too once people didn’t have to hang out in public restrooms and behind the bushes in a park as the only way to meet. Engaging providers is not the default norm in how people seek intimacy, but the preserve of a few lucky folks.

And if people are assuming you are an extension of Grindr you need to assess that and cut them off quicker if it happens as much as you say and as it seems to affect you. Or perhaps think about how you are marketing yourself.

 

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On 4/30/2023 at 2:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

I don’t know how many times the average gay man hooks up online from something like Grindr. I know guys who claim they do so every night of the week and multiple times on weekends. So maybe I’m a fraction of that. But I’ll tell you if I paid each time I hooked up on one of those apps I’d be bankrupt. So your point doesn’t make sense to me. 

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6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I take offense (not personally) at referring to online dating apps as “thrift store”. There are plenty who would refer to the RM apps and both the providers and clients using them in certain ways that all of us on here might find offensive too.

The needs and outcomes of apps like Grindr are different from the RMs. You’re in serious business trouble if you think Grindr is your competition in any way. Time, inconvenience etc that comes from using those apps have low effective value to the demographic markets you describe.

Of course apps like Grindr affect how people communicate when it comes to arranging to meet. Just like Craigslist did before and gay bars did too once people didn’t have to hang out in public restrooms and behind the bushes in a park as the only way to meet. Engaging providers is not the default norm in how people seek intimacy, but the preserve of a few lucky folks.

And if people are assuming you are an extension of Grindr you need to assess that and cut them off quicker if it happens as much as you say and as it seems to affect you. Or perhaps think about how you are marketing yourself.

 


It is a thrift store. People are looking for free sex. I see it all the time. The ads are all about not wanting to pay. It’s a gay flea market. What’s offensive about that? Lol.

Now, if people were actually looking to date and find romance…no sex expected, I could see how that would be offensive. But majority on there are not: they are looking for quick, cheap, easy flings. Without any money involved. Not because they are trying to save money like Dollar Tree or GoodWill, but because they are cheap.

Mind you: I’m not trying to say every guy on the apps is that mindset. But majority are.

 

21 minutes ago, NyGold said:

I don’t know how many times the average gay man hooks up online from something like Grindr. I know guys who claim they do so every night of the week and multiple times on weekends. So maybe I’m a fraction of that. But I’ll tell you if I paid each time I hooked up on one of those apps I’d be bankrupt. So your point doesn’t make sense to me. 

I’m actually trying to understand your point. You just mentioned a situation about guys hooking up for free multiple times a week. What does that have to do with me? If that’s what you want to do…go ahead and do it. 
 

I’m not necessarily comparing Grindr guy to Grindr guy. I’m moreso saying in a bigger scheme of things: Grindr is doing a better job attracting freebie hookups, than RentMen is attracting paying customers. It’s just a fact. I know this because I work in the big markets and the small markets. I’ll sit at a hotel and have nothing all day long waiting for RM clients, but will get on Grindr and my messages are filled to the brim (granted with majority flakes and freebies). 
 

I’m just making a statement. I’m not in any way condoning or suggesting hookup apps are better source for escorting or clients. I’m just saying what the traffic is like. 

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19 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:


It is a thrift store. People are looking for free sex. I see it all the time. The ads are all about not wanting to pay. It’s a gay flea market. What’s offensive about that? Lol.

Now, if people were actually looking to date and find romance…no sex expected, I could see how that would be offensive. But majority on there are not: they are looking for quick, cheap, easy flings. Without any money involved. Not because they are trying to save money like Dollar Tree or GoodWill, but because they are cheap.

Mind you: I’m not trying to say every guy on the apps is that mindset. But majority are.

 

I’m actually trying to understand your point. You just mentioned a situation about guys hooking up for free multiple times a week. What does that have to do with me? If that’s what you want to do…go ahead and do it. 
 

I’m not necessarily comparing Grindr guy to Grindr guy. I’m moreso saying in a bigger scheme of things: Grindr is doing a better job attracting freebie hookups, than RentMen is attracting paying customers. It’s just a fact. I know this because I work in the big markets and the small markets. I’ll sit at a hotel and have nothing all day long waiting for RM clients, but will get on Grindr and my messages are filled to the brim (granted with majority flakes and freebies). 
 

I’m just making a statement. I’m not in any way condoning or suggesting hookup apps are better source for escorting or clients. I’m just saying what the traffic is like. 

Grindr is NOT for sourcing clients. It may happen but those are outlier cases.

So when I hang out with friends and acquaintances and I don’t pay them to spend time with me, am I scouring from the dredges of the thrift store? 

Your tone talking about people seeking “free sex” on there as if they are doing something wrong is something I find disturbing. That’s how most initial intimate interaction occurs (unpaid, regardless of flowers and dinner which is not the same thing).   That’s normal and nothing wrong with that if consensual. And check out what the straight kids are doing on Tinder. If Grindr etc connects people for consensual interaction that’s a good thing. It brings people together and like it or not that’s now part ofour societal norm. It’s overwhelmingly unpaid because that’s how it’s intended. And paid interaction is not the statistical norm. And most people can’t or won’t do that.  

And people aren’t “cheap” because they want to engage in what is now normal social interaction. It’s when you use words like that or frame it that way that I get offended. So anyone who doesn’t want to engage you is “cheap”?  I’m not trying to curb your free speech … just giving you one honest reaction. 

You’ll be complaining about going to the library next and saying the men there are just looking for books and not paid interaction  … how dare they waste providers’ time like that 😉

 

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