Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Interesting topic, when referring to Rentmasseur.com I almost always ask the rate, since I prefer to book 90 minutes. I also ask so I can ask what is included in that price, are there any upgrade options etc. Not haggling but setting the expectations and pricing as everyone defines sensual and erotic differently on this site. $300.00 for a 60 min so called massage, handjob only HE is too expensive and I will tell that provider with no hesitation. I don't care how hot you are, after all I'll be faced down most of the time not seeing anything, as you make faces at me 😉 kidding aside, what I do find interesting is that you think your time is so valuable that answering a few basic questions for a potential client is a waste, the way you communicate with a client is your brand and reputation and part of your marketing. The person that says too expensive today may say , I'll book him next month when I have more cash if you handle the inquiry professionally. I personally would not feel comfortable to say this is my budget after you quoted me as I would not want to offend and in my mind you would provide a lesser service since you discounted your pricing and I also wouldn't want to offend. Your view of clients seems a bit distorted to me. Yes cost of living has gone up, for all of us including for you, however your service fall under luxury and wants in life and not needs, people have less discretionary income so less discretionary services. To increase your pricing in theory would decrease the amount of income as less clients could afford you. If you questioning your pricing after a potential client says your too high, then in my opinion your probably too high in your pricing. You would have to experiment. Run a special for a month for a lower fee and run another special at a higher rate. The amount of clients you get and net difference in income should tell you what the sweet spot is, demand and value the market can afford. Again this is for rentmasseur.com, I have zero experience in the escort, rentmen realm. DWnyc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, DWnyc said: Grindr is NOT for sourcing clients. It may happen but those are outlier cases. So when I hang out with friends and acquaintances and I don’t pay them to spend time with me, am I scouring from the dredges of the thrift store? Your tone talking about people seeking “free sex” on there as if they are doing something wrong is something I find disturbing. That’s how most initial intimate interaction occurs (unpaid, regardless of flowers and dinner which is not the same thing). That’s normal and nothing wrong with that if consensual. And check out what the straight kids are doing on Tinder. If Grindr etc connects people for consensual interaction that’s a good thing. It brings people together and like it or not that’s now part ofour societal norm. It’s overwhelmingly unpaid because that’s how it’s intended. And paid interaction is not the statistical norm. And most people can’t or won’t do that. And people aren’t “cheap” because they want to engage in what is now normal social interaction. It’s when you use words like that or frame it that way that I get offended. So anyone who doesn’t want to engage you is “cheap”? I’m not trying to curb your free speech … just giving you one honest reaction. You’ll be complaining about going to the library next and saying the men there are just looking for books and not paid interaction … how dare they waste providers’ time like that 😉 I understand that. I’ll be the first to admit: I engage in non hired sex from time to time. For me, I need that to balance the dichotomy between the 2. I’ve said that before. In fact, just did it yesterday. But, it wasn’t as candid as just coming over to somebody with nothing more than sex as the purpose. It’s somebody who’s also open to chat, watch TV, spend the night, cuddle, etc. I’m not putting everybody under an umbrella saying that if they don’t pay, they’re cheap. I’m talking specially about general hooking up. There are guys out there looking for free sex: but their parameters are alongside something you’d seek an escort for. Like in the example I posted: he goes from saying he likes hung men, to he’s not going to give dollars. That’s CHEAP. He’s not saying, “I like guys who enjoy watching tv and are interested in a boyfriend”. He went straight to describing a person’s endowment, and then adding in his profile that he’s not going to pay for it. That’s a cheapskate. PERIOD. Nothing you can say to change that. I didn’t ask him for money, he volunteered on his profile not to pay money. He could have said all that and left that out, and I would have said: “he knows what he wants”. Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 26 minutes ago, Chads said: Interesting topic, when referring to Rentmasseur.com I almost always ask the rate, since I prefer to book 90 minutes. I also ask so I can ask what is included in that price, are there any upgrade options etc. Not haggling but setting the expectations and pricing as everyone defines sensual and erotic differently on this site. $300.00 for a 60 min so called massage, handjob only HE is too expensive and I will tell that provider with no hesitation. I don't care how hot you are, after all I'll be faced down most of the time not seeing anything, as you make faces at me 😉 kidding aside, what I do find interesting is that you think your time is so valuable that answering a few basic questions for a potential client is a waste, the way you communicate with a client is your brand and reputation and part of your marketing. The person that says too expensive today may say , I'll book him next month when I have more cash if you handle the inquiry professionally. I personally would not feel comfortable to say this is my budget after you quoted me as I would not want to offend and in my mind you would provide a lesser service since you discounted your pricing and I also wouldn't want to offend. Your view of clients seems a bit distorted to me. Yes cost of living has gone up, for all of us including for you, however your service fall under luxury and wants in life and not needs, people have less discretionary income so less discretionary services. To increase your pricing in theory would decrease the amount of income as less clients could afford you. If you questioning your pricing after a potential client says your too high, then in my opinion your probably too high in your pricing. You would have to experiment. Run a special for a month for a lower fee and run another special at a higher rate. The amount of clients you get and net difference in income should tell you what the sweet spot is, demand and value the market can afford. Again this is for rentmasseur.com, I have zero experience in the escort, rentmen realm. I understand there are guys out there who may charge $250-$300 for a rub and tug. I’m not one of them. In fact my website on my signature lists 3 different sessions clients are able to choose from. I am able to decipher the difference between a rip off service and getting ones money worth. Someone may say I’m expensive, but when I’m spending minimum $300 for gas, hotel, etc etc on a trip (and let’s face it, that’s just doing the minimum, I know many client’s hotels cost that much per night) if I only get 1 client at my base session of $175-$200: that’s barely EVEN breaking even. And if were to charge say: $100: that would assume I would get at least 3 clients to show up to equal $300. I can tell you right now, as I’ve said to the above poster: I’ve offered clients sessions like this and they still don’t show up. So, lowering the price just because someone else thinks I should, is not a solution. And you can’t necessarily say to me: if someone thinks it’s too expensive it is. In case there’s any doubt: I get plenty of clients booking at my prices. It just varies based on location, website and individual preferences. Hell, one of my clients told me about a guy he hired for $60. But he still pays me $300. So…what’s the compromise here? There is non. I’ve said it previously: answering questions isn’t an issue. It’s how someone chooses to ask them. It can be done without putting someone down or devaluing their service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Again quite interesting as you see your clients devaluing your services when they say you're too expensive. Yet you don't see it the reverse when you call potential clients cheap/ stupid etc. . Those clients are your potential sales. You make mention of it not covering your hotel room and or travel, yet isn't being a traveling massuer/ escort your choice. Personally I don't care to book traveling masseurs, for me they tend to be less reliable, provide a much more impersonal experience and lack the massage skills I look for. I also like to find masseurs I can repeat. The experience is better as u get to know the provider. I book anywhere from 5 to 8 per month. I have 2 regular providers I see at minimum twice per month. Btw I will never book a provider that asks for a deposit, to me thats an absolute no. Your reasoning for deposit is to stop people from flaking, to me, i ask myself whats to stop you from taking my deposit and give me a fake hotel. There is alot of competition out there and the ones that show they appreciate their clients even if fake get repeat business, of course providing a quality massage. I'll be honest I'll sacrifice some looks for reasonable pricing, provider demeanor, quality of massage and ability to rebook. You do realize in today's online social networking even to most ugly or over weight guy can get action at no cost. Have you heard of sniffies? Just go online you find some guy begging to get his dick sucked and some other guy begging to suck it. You're not selling sex in my opinion, your selling the experience and the fantasy, that's what adds a monetary value. Ask for referrals and offer something in return for them, possible discount or something a little extra to entice them or just tell them that's a compliment to you. If the experience was right they will gladly refer you not necessarily in person but on sites like this one, and reviews. I refer 100 percent any good experience I have, just cuz the provider added value to the entire experience, no not because they swallowed my load. I personally would look at your approach, maybe tier your pricing for services offered, starting at the $150.00 mark, remember your the object being sold ( please don't take that the wrong way) so make sure you provide a Marshall Field's experience vs a Walmart experience. That would mean you give the client or potential clients the impression they are the most important thing out there, thank them for reaching out, when they say you're too expensive , thank them for visiting your site and look forward to meeting sometime in the future. You're business is all a big theater, you provide fantasy and experience, that's from the moment of contact to the very end. I'm not saying you should under value your self in any way, but sounds like you would like to increase your bookings/ volume. Take into consideration the marketing on Rentmen / rentmasseur.com shouldn't be your main of advertising or marketing you. It's the people you service that can be your biggest asset if you work it at the right angle. Just a thought. Best of luck for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 48 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said: I’m talking specially about general hooking up. There are guys out there looking for free sex: but their parameters are alongside something you’d seek an escort for. Like in the example I posted: he goes from saying he likes hung men, to he’s not going to give dollars. That’s CHEAP. He’s not saying, “I like guys who enjoy watching tv and are interested in a boyfriend”. You need to familiarize yourself with what most people are seeking and finding on Grindr. It’s not a potential boyfriend to cuddle with in front of the tv. You are framing common behavior in gay hooking up culture as being “what you’d seek an escort for”. There is absolutely nothing atypical about someone on Grindr saying he likes endowment also saying he’s not going to pay for it. If he hangs around long enough he’ll likely find it, give up in that session, or alter his requirement on endowment (but not on paying someone). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Chads said: I personally would look at your approach, maybe tier your pricing for services offered, starting at the $150.00 mark, remember your the object being sold ( please don't take that the wrong way) so make sure you provide a Marshall Field's experience vs a Walmart experience. Have you actually read my website? The stuff you’re talking about tier level service is offered there… Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWnyc Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I’ve only once paid for a providers hotel. He was a regular. He tricked me - I’d already paid him for the session and he wanted the funds to pay for the room as his credit card was apparently blocked. It was a loan … until it wasn’t … and the session never happened anyway because of some drama at his end. He promised a redo but disappeared even though he is still active on the sites. He was a regular. For someone who claimed financial hardship (which he did) he didn’t stop to think he lost the future stream of my regular bookings which would be many multiples of what he effectively stole from me. Not my job to pay for his hotel or someone’s rent if I visit their place. Not their transport to get to my town if they were coming anyway (rather than me requesting them to) and If they want to incorporate a pro rata supplement to their rate let them try it and I’ll see what it looks like but it probably won’t look good. Because I assume the first rate they quote me covers all of that and leaves them a nice margin that makes it worthwhile. From my experience dabbling in the hobby I would say the best providers (or rather the ones I respect the most and the ones with longevity and largest client base) aren’t the “hottest” but the ones who demonstrate an understanding of basic economics and long term strategy. Not to mention customer service that doesn’t leave me feeling disrespected, offended or as if I’m just a cash machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Yes I have looked at your website, it's very vague on what services are provided. You have pretty cool names/titles with extremely vague descriptions. They don't make me want to pick one over the other. You also have zero pictures of yourself unless they pay. Not one face pic, or partially clothed picture of yourself. So what and who am I getting for the deposit you want ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 The first thing on the site reads basically for both our protection this is how you prepay your deposit. Nit thank you for visiting my site, looking forward to meeting or connecting or creating a unforgettable experience. No playing to customers egos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chads said: Yes I have looked at your website, it's very vague on what services are provided. You have pretty cool names/titles with extremely vague descriptions. They don't make me want to pick one over the other. You also have zero pictures of yourself unless they pay. Not one face pic, or partially clothed picture of yourself. So what and who am I getting for the deposit you want ? My website is connected to my Ads. Once they see that, the website is just an extension of what I offer. I don’t want to be 100% explicit about my services, because it’s a website. One has to get in touch with me and let me walk them thru. My business card is the same way. I don’t list rates, my face or descriptive service. It’s that way by design. I’m not trying to be explicit, rather: informative. These are my rates and levels: but it’s not going to necessarily be in your face descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrod_Uncut Posted May 2, 2023 Author Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chads said: The first thing on the site reads basically for both our protection this is how you prepay your deposit. Nit thank you for visiting my site, looking forward to meeting or connecting or creating a unforgettable experience. No playing to customers egos https://www.jarrodbrandon.com/about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Truly not trying to offend, and wish you the best. Just responding to your question if I even looked at your site . Again basically calling a person lazy, stupid, or lack the ability to understand. You just have a strong approach, and have a unique view of people. That's what gives you the ability to be great on this business, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Even that link page you sent, says thanks for visiting my exclusive invite only...... This isn't you sounding great full they have taken the time to check you and your site out rather they should be great full and honored you have provided an exclusive invite only link. Similar but not the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Here is a site of a provider I've seen. Thought I'd share a sample site in comparison Chris Stevens Massage.com – Enjoy the Experience CHRISSTEVENSMASSAGE.COM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I haven't seen your rentmasseur.com ad to see how the flow would start. Please don't take offense, I'm just offering a single person's point of view. Not saying I know better by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chads Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Another sample, makes it personal, value to clients etc. Not saying this is the right price range for you just some ideas for a comprehensive website that invites and excites a person to book Chicago Erotic Male Massage (and Video) WWW.MASSAGE1988.COM My sensual massage is equal parts athleticism, dance, rhythm and passion. And affordable! Links to my... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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