Client Etiquette: Don’t ask how much, and then say it’s too much…

[+ APPLE1]

1 hour ago, DWnyc said:

My personal experience is different on the “most are not” issue. I would place it more at 50% over the last year. But we can agree to disagree, and as I’ve caveated with every post I’ve made on this, I’ll repeat I’ve never initiated a negotiation with a provider, and i’m Including the times a provider has wanted to keep negotiating while I have lost interest. I’ve never led anyone down the path of negotiation just for fun, it has always been out of politeness and curiosity, and the minute I’ve felt this won’t work I’ve ended the conversation out of respect for their time (and mine) and so as not to set false expectations.

It may be an issue of sample set or subset of the market or a peculiarity oF my geography (Boston down to DC including New York).   i’m just trying to understand how our perspectives could be so different (on the prevalence of providers being open to negotiate, not the issue of if it’s tacky etc or not).

I’ll add the gentlemen I’m speaking about are all from RM so I’m not including those who eg have hit me up on dating sites or on the subway (it’s a thing …), I’m very mindful of each new hire so I check out their reviews on the site and on here including DM with people who’ve engaged them. Don’t think I’ve ever engaged someone who didn’t have at least one credible positive review. These aren’t guys from the bottom of the barrel by any means and I would say they are typically mid price in my market with some at the premium end. 

I can echo that for my own experience in the Northwest and Midwest. Again, I have never negotiated with a provider on rate. On RentMen (it's the only one I see the point of actually logging into), I frequently have had providers see that I viewed them, and then send me what I assume are stock messages with info and rates.

I have a pretty specific type that I look for physically. Looking at the full profile already told me that they weren't "it," so I hadn't messaged them initially. I politely reply back with "thanks, but I am looking for X physically."

I would estimate that about 75% of the time I get a response back like "if you can't find what you're looking for exactly, and change your mind, I can see you for $Y" (reduced rate) .

Edited April 25, 2023 by APPLE1

[JB_Studio38]

9 hours ago, italianboyph said:

Honestly if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth. That way the price is already shown and if they can't do the price, they can move on.

And the other thing they need to stop doing, is making a default pop up window whenever someone clicks on a provider’s website link in profile that says “warning the site you’re viewing may be trying to phish for your information. And some people can’t decipher the difference. It’s not a warning against my website, it’s a general warning against fake and scam links.

It’s like damn, are y’all tryin to work with us or against us? If it’s that bad, just have every advertiser do a brief video interview consultation before placing an Ad. I am not mad at RentMen/Mass but I feel like I’m having to do too much work when I’m already paying to be there. 

People can talk all the smack they want about customer service, etc etc but they aren’t dealing with the same thing day after day after day….

…after day, after day, after day, hour after hour after hour after hour. 

And all this can be easily avoided by making 2 or 3 changes. Put our rates back up (it don’t even need to be rates, it can just say “porn star Booking fee) let personal websites be easily accessible, and make clients pay into something to instant message us because I have dozens of RentMen messages that have gone nowhere. 
 

If I have to keep wishing and repeating the same shit every month, I’m just going to start making everyone contact me by booking form or mail if they’re too afraid of a deposit…not email but, P.O. Box. Include a money order and email address to receive response 😆 

Edited April 25, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

I suggest we see what data surfaces and revisit when the new review section is out of beta mode and live. Reviews collect info in a consistent way. After enough time a sizable sample data set will give us a clearer view.

Sure and maybe that will also bring out some data on regional trends and variation by type of provider and service, though I reserve judgement on how scientific everything will be (while no doubt fascinating).

At the end of the day this isn’t an issue about data.

I believe what triggered the OP was what he felt was rude, tone, words, all being disrespectful etc and that’s about the character and personality of both those dishing it out and those reacting. If we all tried to be nicer to each other (sounds corny but it’s true) and also more thick/skinned and recognized the realities of what it can take to get things done, that might make all these discussions on ifnpeople negotiate, is it tacky or not etc rather moot. 

[pubic_assistance]

7 hours ago, DWnyc said:

How do you know you are not spoken of in a way that may surprise you behind your back?

Of course that cannot be 100% known. But the assumption is good because my negotiating is never about pressuring someone to accept less for the same work they quoted. I will say the budget doesn't allow this so how can it be done differently. Or what do we need to cut out to bring it to budget. But I never suggest they are gauging me and should simply do the same job but for less money. That's tacky in all negotiating.

My point being is that we find a solution that everyone agrees with . So no one walks away from the table feeling like I took advantage of the situation. Same way I won't negotiate with a masseur or escort. Who am I to tell them they're over estimating their due ??? If other men are willing to pay $1000 for a hot fuck...then go for it. Don't suck MY dick for $500 just because I want to pay $500.

[DWnyc]

7 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

Of course that cannot be 100% known. But the assumption is good because my negotiating is never about pressuring someone to accept less for the same work they quoted. I will say the budget doesn't allow this so how can it be done differently. Or what do we need to cut out to bring it to budget. But I never suggest they are gauging me and should simply do the same job but for less money. That's tacky in all negotiating.

My point being is that we find a solution that everyone agrees with . So no one walks away from the table feeling like I took advantage of the situation. Same way I won't negotiate with a masseur or escort. Who am I to tell them they're over estimating their due ??? If other men are willing to pay $1000 for a hot fuck...then go for it. Don't suck MY dick for $500 just because I want to pay $500

Are we actually debating the same thing?

I’m saying I don’t negotiate unless invited to by a provider, you say you never accuse a provider of gouging you. They don’t seem contradictory or related.

Similarly you say let’s find a way to ensure no one walks away feeling taken advantage of … and I say I’ll only negotiate if a provider invites me to negotiate, and will only hire him if we agree on terms acceptable to him, so  how am I taking advantage of him? 

I read this exchange as one of us saying “I only go out on a date if they accept my offer to go out on a date with me …” while The other says “I don’t force people to endure harassment or violence …”

And this business about the rate being the worth of a human being …

I don’t see it that way. If tomorrow the provider gets a scar on his face because of an accident, or he starts losing his hair, or putting on weight … does his worth as a human being change? His rate likely will.

[+ DrownedBoy]

23 hours ago, italianboyph said:

Honestly if RM allowed you to post the rates on there, I feel like it would help avoid all the back and forth. That way the price is already shown and if they can't do the price, they can move on.

I have seen some RM who have an automated feature on their RentMen messenger. If anyone tries to contact them with it, it automatically responds with rates and a reminder to text them if you're interested.

[italianboyph]

Yeah, I just kept to physically have on the profile. A few years back they actually let you put the rates on your profile

[JB_Studio38]

On 4/26/2023 at 9:49 PM, italianboyph said:

Yeah, I just kept to physically have on the profile. A few years back they actually let you put the rates on your profile

At this point, considering what’s going on with the former “guy who has resorts in different cities”, I think there needs to be some sort of urgent revision to the whole Sesta Fosta thing. Like it should be announced:

Even though, I did happen to drive by the ones near Miami Beach one year. Definitely stunning:

 

Matter of fact, since this whole thing: I went ahead and just put my donations up to where I feel it needs to be. I feel some people expect me to do the same I was in 2010. When there was more clients and I could get away with lower prices. Now due to fewer websites, more guys popping up, and hookup apps: A lower rate may sound good to many, but unless I’m getting 1-3 LOCAL clients daily who are actually SERIOUS, Then maybe I could.

Now If I was living there, maybe then someone could call me expensive. But I’m not there yet so, it makes no sense.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

On 4/28/2023 at 1:04 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Now due to fewer websites, more guys popping up, and hookup apps: A lower rate may sound good to many, but unless I’m getting 1-3 LOCAL clients daily who are actually SERIOUS, Then maybe I could.

 

Are you saying you are competing with hookup apps like Grindr where people meet for free? 

That doesn’t make sense to me. 

Then you’re saying you’re offering something for $$$ vs a product that is zero dollars.

 

 

 

[JB_Studio38]

2 hours ago, NyGold said:

Are you saying you are competing with hookup apps like Grindr where people meet for free? 

That doesn’t make sense to me. 

Then you’re saying you’re offering something for $$$ vs a product that is zero dollars.

 

 

 

Yes, we are. But only to an extent. The issue is more complex and insidious than it seems on the surface. Hookup apps can and do affect business. Especially in rural areas. In my area, and even in medium market/Low-Middle Class cities: Hookup apps are king for gay meets. Meanwhile, RentMasseur and RentMen are pretty much dead in those same areas. Then they come to us, expecting me to play around like the app guys do: text 1 word sentences, trade pics, flake and etc etc. It doesn’t have to be a direct competition, but when it’s the most commonplace way to connect, it’s bound to have some affect. 
 

Granted, most guys who hire are aware of those apps and the time wasted/flakes/or even actual legit hot guys who simply aren’t available short notice, like many request us to do. So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

Edited April 30, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

On 4/30/2023 at 2:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

I take offense (not personally) at referring to online dating apps as “thrift store”. There are plenty who would refer to the RM apps and both the providers and clients using them in certain ways that all of us on here might find offensive too.

The needs and outcomes of apps like Grindr are different from the RMs. You’re in serious business trouble if you think Grindr is your competition in any way. Time, inconvenience etc that comes from using those apps have low effective value to the demographic markets you describe.

Of course apps like Grindr affect how people communicate when it comes to arranging to meet. Just like Craigslist did before and gay bars did too once people didn’t have to hang out in public restrooms and behind the bushes in a park as the only way to meet. Engaging providers is not the default norm in how people seek intimacy, but the preserve of a few lucky folks.

And if people are assuming you are an extension of Grindr you need to assess that and cut them off quicker if it happens as much as you say and as it seems to affect you. Or perhaps think about how you are marketing yourself.

 

[NyGold]

On 4/30/2023 at 2:28 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

So, they realize it’s better to book a professional, versus killing hours browsing thrift store apps.
 

 

I don’t know how many times the average gay man hooks up online from something like Grindr. I know guys who claim they do so every night of the week and multiple times on weekends. So maybe I’m a fraction of that. But I’ll tell you if I paid each time I hooked up on one of those apps I’d be bankrupt. So your point doesn’t make sense to me. 

[JB_Studio38]

6 hours ago, DWnyc said:

I take offense (not personally) at referring to online dating apps as “thrift store”. There are plenty who would refer to the RM apps and both the providers and clients using them in certain ways that all of us on here might find offensive too.

The needs and outcomes of apps like Grindr are different from the RMs. You’re in serious business trouble if you think Grindr is your competition in any way. Time, inconvenience etc that comes from using those apps have low effective value to the demographic markets you describe.

Of course apps like Grindr affect how people communicate when it comes to arranging to meet. Just like Craigslist did before and gay bars did too once people didn’t have to hang out in public restrooms and behind the bushes in a park as the only way to meet. Engaging providers is not the default norm in how people seek intimacy, but the preserve of a few lucky folks.

And if people are assuming you are an extension of Grindr you need to assess that and cut them off quicker if it happens as much as you say and as it seems to affect you. Or perhaps think about how you are marketing yourself.

 

It is a thrift store. People are looking for free sex. I see it all the time. The ads are all about not wanting to pay. It’s a gay flea market. What’s offensive about that? Lol.

Now, if people were actually looking to date and find romance…no sex expected, I could see how that would be offensive. But majority on there are not: they are looking for quick, cheap, easy flings. Without any money involved. Not because they are trying to save money like Dollar Tree or GoodWill, but because they are cheap.

Mind you: I’m not trying to say every guy on the apps is that mindset. But majority are.

 

21 minutes ago, NyGold said:

I don’t know how many times the average gay man hooks up online from something like Grindr. I know guys who claim they do so every night of the week and multiple times on weekends. So maybe I’m a fraction of that. But I’ll tell you if I paid each time I hooked up on one of those apps I’d be bankrupt. So your point doesn’t make sense to me. 

I’m actually trying to understand your point. You just mentioned a situation about guys hooking up for free multiple times a week. What does that have to do with me? If that’s what you want to do…go ahead and do it. 
 

I’m not necessarily comparing Grindr guy to Grindr guy. I’m moreso saying in a bigger scheme of things: Grindr is doing a better job attracting freebie hookups, than RentMen is attracting paying customers. It’s just a fact. I know this because I work in the big markets and the small markets. I’ll sit at a hotel and have nothing all day long waiting for RM clients, but will get on Grindr and my messages are filled to the brim (granted with majority flakes and freebies). 
 

I’m just making a statement. I’m not in any way condoning or suggesting hookup apps are better source for escorting or clients. I’m just saying what the traffic is like. 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

19 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

It is a thrift store. People are looking for free sex. I see it all the time. The ads are all about not wanting to pay. It’s a gay flea market. What’s offensive about that? Lol.

Now, if people were actually looking to date and find romance…no sex expected, I could see how that would be offensive. But majority on there are not: they are looking for quick, cheap, easy flings. Without any money involved. Not because they are trying to save money like Dollar Tree or GoodWill, but because they are cheap.

Mind you: I’m not trying to say every guy on the apps is that mindset. But majority are.

 

I’m actually trying to understand your point. You just mentioned a situation about guys hooking up for free multiple times a week. What does that have to do with me? If that’s what you want to do…go ahead and do it. 
 

I’m not necessarily comparing Grindr guy to Grindr guy. I’m moreso saying in a bigger scheme of things: Grindr is doing a better job attracting freebie hookups, than RentMen is attracting paying customers. It’s just a fact. I know this because I work in the big markets and the small markets. I’ll sit at a hotel and have nothing all day long waiting for RM clients, but will get on Grindr and my messages are filled to the brim (granted with majority flakes and freebies). 
 

I’m just making a statement. I’m not in any way condoning or suggesting hookup apps are better source for escorting or clients. I’m just saying what the traffic is like. 

Grindr is NOT for sourcing clients. It may happen but those are outlier cases.

So when I hang out with friends and acquaintances and I don’t pay them to spend time with me, am I scouring from the dredges of the thrift store? 

Your tone talking about people seeking “free sex” on there as if they are doing something wrong is something I find disturbing. That’s how most initial intimate interaction occurs (unpaid, regardless of flowers and dinner which is not the same thing).   That’s normal and nothing wrong with that if consensual. And check out what the straight kids are doing on Tinder. If Grindr etc connects people for consensual interaction that’s a good thing. It brings people together and like it or not that’s now part ofour societal norm. It’s overwhelmingly unpaid because that’s how it’s intended. And paid interaction is not the statistical norm. And most people can’t or won’t do that.  

And people aren’t “cheap” because they want to engage in what is now normal social interaction. It’s when you use words like that or frame it that way that I get offended. So anyone who doesn’t want to engage you is “cheap”?  I’m not trying to curb your free speech … just giving you one honest reaction. 

You’ll be complaining about going to the library next and saying the men there are just looking for books and not paid interaction  … how dare they waste providers’ time like that 😉

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by DWnyc

[Chads]

Interesting topic,  when referring to Rentmasseur.com I almost always ask the rate, since I prefer to book 90 minutes.  I also ask so I can ask what is included in that price, are there any upgrade options etc. Not haggling but setting the expectations and pricing as everyone defines sensual and erotic differently on this site.  $300.00 for a 60 min so called massage,  handjob only HE is too expensive and I will tell that provider with no hesitation.  I don't care how hot you are, after all I'll be faced down most of the time not seeing anything,  as you make faces at me 😉 kidding aside,  what I do find interesting is that you think your time is so valuable that answering a few basic questions for a potential client is a waste, the way you communicate with a client is your brand and reputation and part of your marketing.  The person that says too expensive today may say , I'll book him next month when I have more cash if you handle the inquiry professionally.  I personally would not feel comfortable to say this is my budget after you quoted me as I would not want to offend and in my mind you would provide a lesser service since you discounted your pricing and I also wouldn't want to offend.  Your view of clients seems a bit distorted to me. Yes cost of living has gone up, for all of us including for you, however your service fall under luxury and wants in life and not needs, people have less discretionary income so less discretionary services.  To increase your pricing in theory would decrease the amount of income as less clients could afford you. If you questioning your pricing after a potential client says your too high, then in my opinion your probably too high in your pricing. You would have to experiment.  Run a special for a month for a lower fee and run another special at a higher rate. The amount of clients you get and net difference in income should tell you what the sweet spot is, demand and value the market can afford. Again this is for rentmasseur.com,  I have zero experience in the escort,  rentmen realm.

[JB_Studio38]

41 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Grindr is NOT for sourcing clients. It may happen but those are outlier cases.

So when I hang out with friends and acquaintances and I don’t pay them to spend time with me, am I scouring from the dredges of the thrift store? 

Your tone talking about people seeking “free sex” on there as if they are doing something wrong is something I find disturbing. That’s how most initial intimate interaction occurs (unpaid, regardless of flowers and dinner which is not the same thing).   That’s normal and nothing wrong with that if consensual. And check out what the straight kids are doing on Tinder. If Grindr etc connects people for consensual interaction that’s a good thing. It brings people together and like it or not that’s now part ofour societal norm. It’s overwhelmingly unpaid because that’s how it’s intended. And paid interaction is not the statistical norm. And most people can’t or won’t do that.  

And people aren’t “cheap” because they want to engage in what is now normal social interaction. It’s when you use words like that or frame it that way that I get offended. So anyone who doesn’t want to engage you is “cheap”?  I’m not trying to curb your free speech … just giving you one honest reaction. 

You’ll be complaining about going to the library next and saying the men there are just looking for books and not paid interaction  … how dare they waste providers’ time like that 😉

 

I understand that. I’ll be the first to admit: I engage in non hired sex from time to time. For me, I need that to balance the dichotomy between the 2. I’ve said that before. In fact, just did it yesterday. But, it wasn’t as candid as just coming over to somebody with nothing more than sex as the purpose. It’s somebody who’s also open to chat, watch TV, spend the night, cuddle, etc. I’m not putting everybody under an umbrella saying that if they don’t pay, they’re cheap. 

I’m talking specially about general hooking up. There are guys out there looking for free sex: but their parameters are alongside something you’d seek an escort for. Like in the example I posted: he goes from saying he likes hung men, to he’s not going to give dollars. That’s CHEAP. He’s not saying, “I like guys who enjoy watching tv and are interested in a boyfriend”. He went straight to describing a person’s endowment, and then adding in his profile that he’s not going to pay for it. That’s a cheapskate. PERIOD. Nothing you can say to change that. I didn’t ask him for money, he volunteered on his profile not to pay money. He could have said all that and left that out, and I would have said: “he knows what he wants”.
 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[JB_Studio38]

26 minutes ago, Chads said:

Interesting topic,  when referring to Rentmasseur.com I almost always ask the rate, since I prefer to book 90 minutes.  I also ask so I can ask what is included in that price, are there any upgrade options etc. Not haggling but setting the expectations and pricing as everyone defines sensual and erotic differently on this site.  $300.00 for a 60 min so called massage,  handjob only HE is too expensive and I will tell that provider with no hesitation.  I don't care how hot you are, after all I'll be faced down most of the time not seeing anything,  as you make faces at me 😉 kidding aside,  what I do find interesting is that you think your time is so valuable that answering a few basic questions for a potential client is a waste, the way you communicate with a client is your brand and reputation and part of your marketing.  The person that says too expensive today may say , I'll book him next month when I have more cash if you handle the inquiry professionally.  I personally would not feel comfortable to say this is my budget after you quoted me as I would not want to offend and in my mind you would provide a lesser service since you discounted your pricing and I also wouldn't want to offend.  Your view of clients seems a bit distorted to me. Yes cost of living has gone up, for all of us including for you, however your service fall under luxury and wants in life and not needs, people have less discretionary income so less discretionary services.  To increase your pricing in theory would decrease the amount of income as less clients could afford you. If you questioning your pricing after a potential client says your too high, then in my opinion your probably too high in your pricing. You would have to experiment.  Run a special for a month for a lower fee and run another special at a higher rate. The amount of clients you get and net difference in income should tell you what the sweet spot is, demand and value the market can afford. Again this is for rentmasseur.com,  I have zero experience in the escort,  rentmen realm.

I understand there are guys out there who may charge $250-$300 for a rub and tug. I’m not one of them. In fact my website on my signature lists 3 different sessions clients are able to choose from.

I am able to decipher the difference between a rip off service and getting ones money worth. Someone may say I’m expensive, but when I’m spending minimum $300 for gas, hotel, etc etc on a trip (and let’s face it, that’s just doing the minimum, I know many client’s hotels cost that much per night) if I only get 1 client at my base session of $175-$200: that’s barely EVEN breaking even. And if  were to charge say: $100: that would assume I would get at least 3 clients to show up to equal $300. I can tell you right now, as I’ve said to the above poster: I’ve offered clients sessions like this and they still don’t show up. So, lowering the price just because someone else thinks I should, is not a solution. 
 

And you can’t necessarily say to me: if someone thinks it’s too expensive it is. In case there’s any doubt: I get plenty of clients booking at my prices. It just varies based on location, website and individual preferences. Hell, one of my clients told me about a guy he hired for $60. But he still pays me $300. So…what’s the compromise here? There is non. 

I’ve said it previously: answering questions isn’t an issue. It’s how someone chooses to ask them. It can be done without putting someone down or devaluing their service. 

[Chads]

Again quite interesting as you see your clients devaluing your services when they say you're too expensive.  Yet you don't see it the reverse when you call potential clients cheap/ stupid etc. . Those clients are your potential sales.  You make mention of it not covering your hotel room and or travel, yet isn't being a traveling massuer/ escort your choice.  Personally I don't care to book traveling masseurs, for me they tend to be less reliable,  provide a much more impersonal experience and lack the massage skills I look for. I also like to find masseurs I can repeat. The experience is better as u get to know the provider.  I book anywhere from 5 to 8 per month.  I have 2 regular providers I see at minimum twice per month. Btw I will never book a provider that asks for a deposit,  to me thats an absolute no. Your reasoning for deposit is to stop people from flaking, to me, i ask myself whats to stop you from taking my deposit and give me a fake hotel. There is alot of competition out there and the ones that show they appreciate their clients even if fake get repeat business,  of course providing a quality massage.  I'll be honest I'll sacrifice some looks for reasonable pricing, provider demeanor, quality of massage and ability to rebook. You do realize in today's online social networking even to most ugly or over weight guy can get action at no cost. Have you heard of sniffies? Just go online you find some guy begging to get his dick sucked and some other guy begging to suck it. You're not selling sex in my opinion,  your selling the experience  and the fantasy, that's what adds a monetary value.  Ask for referrals and offer something in return for them,  possible discount or something a little extra to entice them or just tell them that's a compliment to you. If the experience was right they will gladly refer you not necessarily in person but on sites like this one, and reviews.  I refer 100 percent any good experience I have,  just cuz the provider added value to the entire experience,  no not because they swallowed my load.  

I personally would look at your approach,  maybe tier your pricing for services offered,  starting at the $150.00 mark, remember your the object being sold ( please don't take that the wrong way) so make sure you provide a Marshall Field's experience vs a Walmart experience.  That would mean you give the client or potential clients the impression they are the most important thing out there,  thank them for reaching out, when they say you're too expensive , thank them for visiting your site and look forward to meeting sometime in the future.  You're business is all a big theater,  you provide fantasy and experience,  that's from the moment of contact to the very end. I'm not saying you should under value your self in any way, but sounds like you would like to increase your bookings/ volume.  Take into consideration the marketing on Rentmen / rentmasseur.com shouldn't be your main of advertising or marketing you. It's the people you service that can be your biggest asset if you work it at the right angle.  Just a thought.  Best of luck for sure

[DWnyc]

48 minutes ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m talking specially about general hooking up. There are guys out there looking for free sex: but their parameters are alongside something you’d seek an escort for. Like in the example I posted: he goes from saying he likes hung men, to he’s not going to give dollars. That’s CHEAP. He’s not saying, “I like guys who enjoy watching tv and are interested in a boyfriend”.

You need to familiarize yourself with what most people are seeking and finding on Grindr. It’s not a potential boyfriend to cuddle with in front of the tv. 

You are framing common behavior in gay hooking up culture as being “what you’d seek an escort for”. 

There is absolutely nothing atypical about someone on Grindr saying he likes endowment also saying he’s not going to pay for it. If he hangs around long enough he’ll likely find it, give up in that session, or alter his requirement on endowment (but not on paying someone).

 

[JB_Studio38]

15 minutes ago, Chads said:

I personally would look at your approach,  maybe tier your pricing for services offered,  starting at the $150.00 mark, remember your the object being sold ( please don't take that the wrong way) so make sure you provide a Marshall Field's experience vs a Walmart experience. 

Have you actually read my website? The stuff you’re talking about tier level service is offered there…

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[DWnyc]

I’ve only once paid for a providers hotel. He was a regular. He tricked me - I’d already paid him for the session and he wanted the funds to pay for the room as his credit card was apparently blocked. It was a loan … until it wasn’t … and the session never happened anyway because of some drama at his end. He promised a redo but disappeared even though he is still active on the sites. He was a regular. For someone who claimed financial hardship (which he did) he didn’t stop to think he lost the future stream of my regular bookings which would be many multiples of what he effectively stole from me. 

Not my job to pay for his hotel or someone’s rent if I visit their place. Not their transport to get to my town if they were coming anyway (rather than me requesting them to) and If they want to incorporate a pro rata supplement to their rate let them try it and I’ll see what it looks like but it probably won’t look good. Because I assume the first rate they quote me covers all of that and leaves them a nice margin that makes it worthwhile. 

From my experience dabbling in the hobby I would say the best providers (or rather the ones I respect the most and the ones with longevity and largest client base) aren’t the “hottest” but the ones who demonstrate an understanding of basic economics and long term strategy. Not to mention customer service that doesn’t leave me feeling disrespected, offended or as if I’m just a cash machine.  

[Chads]

Yes I have looked at your website,  it's very vague on what services are provided.  You have pretty cool names/titles with extremely vague descriptions. They don't make me want to pick one over the other. You also have zero pictures of yourself unless they pay. Not one face pic, or partially clothed picture of yourself. So what and who am I getting for the deposit you want ?

[Chads]

The first thing on the site reads basically for both our protection this is how you prepay your deposit.  Nit thank you for visiting my site, looking forward to meeting or connecting or creating a unforgettable experience.  No playing to customers egos 

[JB_Studio38]

2 minutes ago, Chads said:

Yes I have looked at your website,  it's very vague on what services are provided.  You have pretty cool names/titles with extremely vague descriptions. They don't make me want to pick one over the other. You also have zero pictures of yourself unless they pay. Not one face pic, or partially clothed picture of yourself. So what and who am I getting for the deposit you want ?

My website is connected to my Ads. Once they see that, the website is just an extension of what I offer.

I don’t want to be 100% explicit about my services, because it’s a website. One has to get in touch with me and let me walk them thru.

My business card is the same way. I don’t list rates, my face or descriptive service. It’s that way by design. I’m not trying to be explicit, rather: informative. These are my rates and levels: but it’s not going to necessarily be in your face descriptions.

 

[JB_Studio38]

3 minutes ago, Chads said:

The first thing on the site reads basically for both our protection this is how you prepay your deposit.  Nit thank you for visiting my site, looking forward to meeting or connecting or creating a unforgettable experience.  No playing to customers egos 

https://www.jarrodbrandon.com/about