Guys giving false addresses

[ZMontoff]

What is up with providers giving false addresses? The last 4 or 5 guys I have met have all given me an address that is just slightly off. If it's a safety thing, they should just ask to meet somewhere else first. It just gets annoying to be standing at one building and then they finally tell you that it's actually another address 2 doors down or across the street.

Anyone else experiencing this? 

[misterhumphries]

I always think twice of giving my address to some strange man when I request an in-call. You could take the initiative and offer to meet at a nearby coffee shop or some place public. Then be escorted to the client's house if you both get good vibes from each other. There's an equal risk that you also assume going to a stranger's house.

[ZMontoff]

Yeah, I guess they are willing to risk a negative review for flaking if they don't like the look of the guy.

[spider]

A while back Chicago escorts weren't happy about visiting escort and they would set up a meeting at a fake address and waste the time of those who were hiring.

[+ poolboy48220]

I've had guys refuse to get specific about where they are until I'm right there, but it's usually just the room number in a hotel. 

[MscleLovr]

13 hours ago, ZMontoff said:

Anyone else experiencing this?

I never experienced this…as I refused to play along with the ‘game’.
 

Years ago in Barcelona, I wanted to see a guy with a good reputation. A phone call at 7pm established we were fully compatible. I was in the centre of the city but he suggested I visit him, a 20 minute taxi-ride away, at 9pm. When I asked for his address, he gave me an approximate location and to call him again from outside “the corner cafe” at 9pm. I politely said I was serious about the date, but I wasn’t about to travel there and back across the city at night, to wait on a street corner. 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

16 hours ago, ZMontoff said:

What is up with providers giving false addresses? The last 4 or 5 guys I have met have all given me an address that is just slightly off. If it's a safety thing, they should just ask to meet somewhere else first. It just gets annoying to be standing at one building and then they finally tell you that it's actually another address 2 doors down or across the street.

Anyone else experiencing this? 

I've experienced this only once about 10 years ago hiring a massuer in Los Angeles.  He gave me the address Kitty-korner from his house.  I almost went up and rang the bell, till he started shouting from across the street to come over there.  It was really weird and I wasn't expecting that.  The massage was nothing spectacular.

[+ azdr0710]

some here may remember Arek (sp??) in the Hell's Kitchen area of Manhattan a few years ago.....understandably, he was concerned about security and being found out in his building,,,,,,,he asked me to meet out along a back street, then to follow him quietly into the building thru a back door to the elevator, bypassing the main door .....when we exited the elevator, I was to turn the opposite way down the hallway from where he headed, then to double back to his apartment a couple minutes later.......

I wasn't bothered by all this as he had a great reputation and was much-discussed on the forum.....the meeting went great and he very soon moved full-time into his primary profession after our meet

after the meet, I was directed to a service/delivery elevator to make my clean exit back into the alleys of Manhattan!

[caramelsub]

I’ve experienced this multiple times. They usually give me an address next door or close by, then wait till I arrive then tell me the correct address. I’m guessing they do this because they want to make sure the client is not a cop.

[ZMontoff]

3 hours ago, caramelsub said:

I’ve experienced this multiple times. They usually give me an address next door or close by, then wait till I arrive then tell me the correct address. I’m guessing they do this because they want to make sure the client is not a cop.

Hey, cops need some booty too!

Seriously though, why would the cops harass an honest hooker? Oh, I just answered my own question. 😁

[jeezifonly]

I was given the address, parked, called him as instructed from the gate and waited for him to come through the courtyard - I told him how beautiful the place was. Then he appeared from the street, and we chatted about the architecture preservation in his neighborhood as he escorted me to his apt in the neighboring building. A nice intro to his conversational ability 💜

He says for him, first in-calls go better this way. He was not wrong. 🫠

[Jamie21]

It works the other way around too. I’ve been given rather vague directions to clients’ places on out calls. Especially out calls to hotels where I’m usually asked to meet in the lobby (obviously sometimes this is because the lifts require a key card to operate). I think clients want to see me before they give me their room number which is understandable I guess, even though they’ll have seen my pics.

I did get sent to the wrong hotel one time. It had a very similar name to one across the street. I messaged my client to say I was in the lobby with a description (usual kind of thing… wearing x, rolled up copy of The Times under my arm etc lol) and he said “I’m also in lobby but I can’t see you?”. After about 5 minutes of this, with me thinking I’d been given the run around we discovered we were in different hotels….so I quickly crossed the street  to the correct hotel and found my client. Fortunately he saw the funny side and did realise he’d given me the wrong hotel. At least it was close by. 

[nate_sf]

2 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I did get sent to the wrong hotel one time. It had a very similar name to one across the street. I messaged my client to say I was in the lobby with a description (usual kind of thing… wearing x, rolled up copy of The Times under my arm etc lol) and he said “I’m also in lobby but I can’t see you?”. After about 5 minutes of this, with me thinking I’d been given the run around we discovered we were in different hotels….so I quickly crossed the street  to the correct hotel and found my client. Fortunately he saw the funny side and did realise he’d given me the wrong hotel. At least it was close by. 

Lol that reminds me of a similar instance. A client told me he was staying at the Marriott and gave me the room number. At the appointed hour I went to the hotel and went up to the right floor, but the room number he provided me did not exist. In fact, the numbering system was entirely different! At first I thought I'd been played, but then realizing the room numbering system was different it dawned on me that I might be at the wrong hotel. Sure enough, there was a new Marriott a few blocks away that I did not know existed. Fortunately it was not too far away, and we had a good laugh about it.

[nate_sf]

I've had a couple of times as a client where I've gone to see a provider and he's only provided me with the building address. In both cases they said they don't like to give out the apartment number in case the client finds their way into the building, goes looking for the unit, and talks to neighbors or the security folks. For someone you've never met, you just don't know what they might do or say. So it may be discretion more than anything. In one instance he was waiting for me in front of the building when I arrived, which I liked because then I knew I was at the right place.

[Lazarus]

Everyone should play it safe. Give them the address of your local police precinct & meet them there. 

[+ nycman]

I had this happen recently. I was sent to an address across the street.
The provider obviously then scoped me out and gave me the correct 
address once he "approved". It left a seriously bad taste in my mouth
and the appointment ended soon thereafter when I arrived at the correct
address and he demanded payment upfront.

Don’t play games children. You’re uncomfortable having a stranger arrive 
at your place?  I’m cool with that. Let’s meet on neutral turf and take it
from there. You’re doing some creepy looky-loo at me from across the
street peering through your blinds?….I have better things to do….pass. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, nycman said:

...Don’t play games children. You’re uncomfortable having a stranger arrive 
at your place?  I’m cool with that. Let’s meet on neutral turf and take it
from there. You’re doing some creepy looky-loo at me from across the
street peering through your blinds?….I have better things to do….pass. 

I agree with that. OK to be honest and say you want to meet in a neutral place first. I've asked escorts to meet me in a hotel lobby. But the fake address is creepy and unnecessary. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/11/2023 at 9:37 PM, nycman said:

I had this happen recently. I was sent to an address across the street.
The provider obviously then scoped me out and gave me the correct 
address once he "approved". It left a seriously bad taste in my mouth
and the appointment ended soon thereafter when I arrived at the correct
address and he demanded payment upfront.

Don’t play games children. You’re uncomfortable having a stranger arrive 
at your place?  I’m cool with that. Let’s meet on neutral turf and take it
from there. You’re doing some creepy looky-loo at me from across the
street peering through your blinds?….I have better things to do….pass. 

This is partly why I don’t travel to dudes for freebie sex much anymore, unless it’s a paid encounter. Even then a deposit is required unless I can verify the address. I live too far from where most clients are, to make a blank trip anywhere. 
 

As much as some guys like to tout they don’t pay for sex, they should because when they get it too easy, they don’t appreciate it. I need to know that someone is putting some work in: either getting dressed, or coming to me, something. 

Now as it pertains to other escorts, it could be a security thing or the perk of not having to send a deposit. It’s easier to just see who shows up without a lot to lose (by sending you across the street in case you don’t show up), than it is to get someone to actually confirm they’re going to show up.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

This is partly why I don’t travel to dudes for freebie sex much anymore, unless it’s a paid encounter. Even then a deposit is required unless I can verify the address...

Most clients won't put deposits on escort encounters. You're seriously limiting your business. There was a whole long string about this recently concerning a client who had made a deposit and got burned. The gist of the string was don't put out money before the encounter. I've never made a deposit, and I've done countless of hires, including long-term. Too bad if you live far from the action. I hope that what you save in rent makes up for the lost business.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 1/13/2023 at 9:27 AM, Unicorn said:

Most clients won't put deposits on escort encounters. You're seriously limiting your business. There was a whole long string about this recently concerning a client who had made a deposit and got burned. The gist of the string was don't put out money before the encounter. I've never made a deposit, and I've done countless of hires, including long-term. Too bad if you live far from the action. I hope that what you save in rent makes up for the lost business.

Let’s not start making things up. This has already been discussed before. Don’t say what most clients won’t do, when I already have seen for myself the difference in business between taking deposits and not taking deposits, which is certainly not “seriously” limiting it. 
 

A client getting burned by sending a deposit, is often a result of not doing their research ahead of time. There’s a whole community of 200,000+ members on Reddit that discuss these very things. Yes, sex work discussion does expand beyond this forum. Not to mention, for every client that has 1 story of getting burned, an escort can give 10 stories. So, that doesn’t mean much in the big scheme of things. 

How about this story: The last time I went on an Outcall without a deposit, it was a regular I’ve known for years. I was on my way to his hotel in another city. I had a flat tire, thanks to some idiot who allowed a piece of bungee cord (the metal hook end, not particularly sharp but at 80 mph…) fall from their truck or whoever. I waited 2 hours for AAA to arrive, at night. 
 

Meanwhile, the client was  uncompromising, complaining, saying how he didn’t want to be up late, that he can’t wait until I arrive tomorrow (one can only go a limited distance on a spare, and since it was night I had to wait til following day). 
 

He couldn’t even wait the next day. Yet he’s known me for 4 years. Next day wouldn’t even return my messages. I got paid nothing. I had to call another regular client back home just to borrow funds to get a hotel room for the weekend so I could take other calls, because the client who was supposed to be booking me, left me high and dry. Even though it wasn’t specifically planned to meet him, he was still supposed to be the first client. And the day I left, was because that was the day he said he was available. If he wasn’t booked that day, I would have not gone that day, I would have waited til the next day or day after.
 

So don’t try to convince me that I shouldn’t take deposits to cater to someone’s comfort zone. Absolutely NOT. I refuse to do biz without a deposit anymore, and unless a client can agree to a deposit but simply can’t make it happen for GOOD reason, I will not work with that person PERIOD. 

That’s my choice. That’s why I keep 50+ reviews and go out of my way to build a website, because I want clients to believe in me. Now, if someone goes and sends a deposit to some random headless guy on RentMen and gets ripped off, just because he’s “hot”, and says everything you want to hear in the ad and didn’t bother to research further, that’s not my issue. Take the issue up with that person who the problem was with. Not every provider who asks for a deposit. 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

And the other thing: every time you order Uber, Amazon, Carvana etc etc to be delivered to you…whatever it is, to be delivered to you, you pay partial or upfront in full. 
 

Instead of talking about how providers shouldn’t be getting deposits, talk about how to find reputable providers who will stand by their deposits, or ask why they require one in the first place. Educate yourself. It’s easier to make assumptions, than to just respect someone’s individual ways of working.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

...I waited 2 hours for AAA to arrive, at night. Meanwhile, the client was  uncompromising, complaining, saying how he didn’t want to be up late, that he can’t wait until I arrive tomorrow (one can only go a limited distance on a spare, and since it was night I had to wait til following day). 
He couldn’t even wait the next day....

Well, a delay like this is certainly a once-in-a-lifetime rare event. What it boils down to is that, despite something happening to you beyond your control, you made a commitment and couldn't deliver on that commitment. Your client was under no obligation to change his plans and meet you the next day. I'm surmising that you felt entitled to keep any "deposit" he may have left. If this were to go to a court for a legal service, I'm telling you that you'd lose. 

If you've got plenty of business, I'm not here to tell you how to run your business. What I will tell you though, is that most clients will not make deposits for just this reason. I doubt many clients on this message center will say otherwise. 

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

And the other thing: every time you order Uber, Amazon, Carvana etc etc to be delivered to you…whatever it is, to be delivered to you, you pay partial or upfront in full...

I have no idea what Carvana is, but I've never had to pay in advance with Uber. Driver no come ---> me no pay. While I do pay for Amazon's goods before I receive them, if they don't deliver when they say they will, I don't pay either. The last time Amazon didn't deliver on time something I ordered, I didn't pay a dime, and I got to keep the item. That's obviously not your business model, and why most clients won't be OK with your rules. 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Unicorn

[Jarrod_Uncut]

17 hours ago, Unicorn said:

Well, a delay like this is certainly a once-in-a-lifetime rare event. What it boils down to is that, despite something happening to you beyond your control, you made a commitment and couldn't deliver on that commitment. Your client was under no obligation to change his plans and meet you the next day. I'm surmising that you felt entitled to keep any "deposit" he may have left. If this were to go to a court for a legal service, I'm telling you that you'd lose. 

If you've got plenty of business, I'm not here to tell you how to run your business. What I will tell you though, is that most clients will not make deposits for just this reason. I doubt many clients on this message center will say otherwise. 

I have no idea what Carvana is, but I've never had to pay in advance with Uber. Driver no come ---> me no pay. While I do pay for Amazon's goods before I receive them, if they don't deliver when they say they will, I don't pay either. The last time Amazon didn't deliver on time something I ordered, I didn't pay a dime, and I got to keep the item. That's obviously not your business model, and why most clients won't be OK with your rules. 

Most clients on the message center don’t have my level of experience. I am full comfortable doing things this way. And it is not a once in a lifetime rare event either. At one point I was dealing with this every week at least. I’ve been as little as 5 minutes away from clients and they still flaked, citing: “My wife came home, my son just walked in, my business call got moved”. This after me texting and stopping my whole life to accommodate them.

They should have figured that out before they called me. Don’t fucking 2nd place me. That’s partly why I had to start taking deposits. I don’t have time to be de-prioritized, chasing cancellation fees, etc etc. I also got tired of being given false hopes of an appointment and earning, only to be let down. Nobody gets thru the gate without a deposit unless they have some other proof that I can rely on. But even then, if I’m not in the position to spend the money (gas/hotel/etc), they need to come up with some of it. Even when I had my own convenient apartment in the city, people would still often not show up. I wish I would have done more deposits back then. 

Now as far YOU: you are convincing me 0% to stop taking deposits. I’m not about to go back to the way I was working, when it wasn’t working. Few years ago, I used to live in Orlando and didn’t take deposits as much. There were still periods where I went 2-3 weeks with no appointments. Lack of business isn’t always a single factor issue. There’s not only competitive options in the business, there’s competitive options on Grindr, Bath houses. There’s logistical issues as well. There’s also cities where there aren’t enough paying clients, some clients are racist and don’t trust ethnic business men, some cities and states are just full of cheap gay guys or super closeted married men who want to call blocked, not give a name, and hell: pay you after the session. Why the fuck do I need to live my life working like that? When I was in San Francisco last year, I only seen 3 clients and all 3 paid deposits. The ones who didn’t weren’t reliable.

You need to think more expansive and not look at $25-$100 being the nuclear explosion to business. It’s not. You make like I’m asking for $50,000 upfront. People spend more than my deposit, on lottery tickets with horrible odds. If somebody can’t spend $25-$75 upfront, they’re either cheap or insecure, or they hire too many escorts without much discernment. Non of which I need to do business with.

Edited January 16, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

...Now as far YOU: you are convincing me 0% to stop taking deposits...There were still periods where I went 2-3 weeks with no appointments.... There’s also cities where there aren’t enough paying clients, some clients are racist and don’t trust ethnic business men, some cities and states are just full of cheap gay guys or super closeted married men who want to call blocked, not give a name, and hell: pay you after the session. Why the fuck do I need to live my life working like that? When I was in San Francisco last year, I only seen 3 clients and all 3 paid deposits...

I have no idea why you'd think I care one iota about whether you follow my advice or not. You do whatever you want. Obviously it seems to be working out great for you. 🙄

[LookingAround]

On 1/15/2023 at 2:59 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Let’s not start making things up. This has already been discussed before. Don’t say what most clients won’t do, when I already have seen for myself the difference in business between taking deposits and not taking deposits, which is certainly not “seriously” limiting it. 

 

Ummmm excuse me but aren’t you constantly posting that you don’t have much or enough business and you’re thinking of leaving the biz or moving cities? That’s about all I glean from your posts.