Have you ever done a freebie for a hot client

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, ThroatCummer said:

Jarrod, I hate to say this but I’ve been reading these forums and most everything posted for a year now. Public_ is kind of right. You just complain. If I was researching a provider and ran across your postings, I wouldn’t book with you just based on the energy you give off here. I’m sure you’re great in person and we all have outlets to vent in life, but there is some truth here. 

And that’s your prerogative if you chose not to. I’ve had several clients still see me off here. 

What is you and @pubic_assistance solution? If all you can do is disagree with my posts, and call my discussions complaints, then you’re not interested in making a difference. You simply don’t want to hear about improving hiring for others. Just say that. If you don’t like it, go somewhere else. There’s hundreds of threads here on the forum. You don’t have to come here and be condescending, and tell me something without any solution backing it.

If you and @pubic_assistance think you’re the experts and can do it better, by all means go place a RentMen or similar Ad up and see if you can. Or at the very least, offer something more constructive  to say and stay in your lane as a person hiring. 
 

 

[Simon Suraci]

Can we keep to the topic please? And be civil? I know we have tangents on threads, but personal attacks are unnecessary.

I agree we can all do with less complaining posting. When someone (client or provider) is clearly not open to input, advice, or considering other views …..and then becomes hostile, condescending, or disrespectful in the face of disagreement, it’s best to disengage. It’s not worth your time.

It doesn’t need to be this adversarial. Nobody is ‘right’ and there is no ‘winning’. This is a place to learn and exchange ideas, to get better at hiring, better at providing, and to get better as a person too. It’s also entertainment, advice, hot tips, and a host of other community centered interactions. It’s supposed to be helpful, fun, and enjoyable.

Reinforcing your own ideas and defending them to the death doesn’t help anyone, least of all oneself. How many times, for example, will we talk about deposits and die on a hill over it? This behavior alienates others, and it’s boring to boot.

I can’t expect the whole world to agree with my perspectives. I don’t care if people disagree with me, and I don’t feel the need to change minds. I take opinions with a grain of salt and let them inform my perspectives, thinking, and future decision making. I enjoy reading what others have to say.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Simon Suraci said:

Can we keep to the topic please? And be civil? I know we have tangents on threads, but personal attacks are unnecessary.

I agree we can all do with less complaining posting. When someone (client or provider) is clearly not open to input, advice, or considering other views …..and then becomes hostile, condescending, or disrespectful in the face of disagreement, it’s best to disengage. It’s not worth your time.

It doesn’t need to be this adversarial. Nobody is ‘right’ and there is no ‘winning’. This is a place to learn and exchange ideas, to get better at hiring, better at providing, and to get better as a person too. It’s also entertainment, advice, hot tips, and a host of other community centered interactions. It’s supposed to be helpful, fun, and enjoyable.

Reinforcing your own ideas and defending them to the death doesn’t help anyone, least of all oneself. How many times, for example, will we talk about deposits and die on a hill over it? This behavior alienates others, and it’s boring to boot.

I can’t expect the whole world to agree with my perspectives. I don’t care if people disagree with me, and I don’t feel the need to change minds. I take opinions with a grain of salt and let them inform my perspectives, thinking, and future decision making. I enjoy reading what others have to say.

I agree 100%. However, when it comes down to it: when someone says something about another, they need to be prepared to be corrected if it’s not an actual reflection. They can feel how they choose, but don’t come personal and talking smack because last thing I need: is someone misinformed with no hands in the business, to tell me in front of hundreds of viewers, that my business model is causing me to not have many bookings. And then doesn’t even say what portion of the business model it is, into this thread where it wasn’t even relevant to begin with.

The answer is pretty much the same: lot of these non-clients men out here have become cheap and frugal. And the amount of professional and non professional guys seem present in every town.
 

There seems to be an increase in freebie hunters. And freebies is the topic of this thread, so it’s not too off topic. Anyone don’t believe me, this is what I see in almost every other profile when someone hits me up on the “Goodwill” app. If I feel like it, I’ll write back: your profile is offensive, I’m not interested…

In fact, I am moving towards deleting it just for the mere fact that I don’t even like seeing people with stuff like that in their profile. If someone has to actively hate on sex workers in their profile, that’s just off-putting

 

 

Edited April 29, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ APPLE1]

I have been offered freebies in the past, but:

1) It's never been from one of my regular providers. It's always been someone I saw while I was traveling. After reading some of the provider responses on here, that makes much more sense to me now. 

2) The offers have always come to me from masseurs. 

3) On all but one occasion, it's always had more conditions. Things like let's do dinner and then come back here, or let's go to X and then come back here, or let's hang out for a while and then have sex. 

4) Other than the one occasion, it's always been less massage and a significantly quicker transition into the extras. 

And, 5) I have paid $0. Not a discounted rate. I didn't charge them for wanting to spend time with me, and since THEY made the request, I didn't feel I owed them any fee. 

And no, I don't have a 6 pack or a 9" cock. No matter how crooked the kettle there's a cover to fit it. To that end, I have a look and presence that some find attractive, and others don't. 

 

[Simon Suraci]

4 hours ago, APPLE1 said:

I have been offered freebies in the past

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

[+ APPLE1]

5 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

That's a hard to quantify answer. 1) It depends on where and how often I travel (in all respects, I seem to have better luck with providers in the Midwest and Northwest). 2) I am certainly looking around less to hire in my "usual" cities because I've established "go to" providers. 3) After an initial client/provider relationship moved to a regular hookup relationship when I now, visit, I don't feel like I can count them.

I will know that as my age increased, the frequency has decreased (I know, that's a shocker 😉). I would estimate probably 1x every other year at this point.

[NyGold]

14 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

There seems to be an increase in freebie hunters. And freebies is the topic of this thread, so it’s not too off topic. Anyone don’t believe me, this is what I see in almost every other profile when someone hits me up on the “Goodwill” app. If I feel like it, I’ll write back: your profile is offensive, I’m not interested…

In fact, I am moving towards deleting it just for the mere fact that I don’t even like seeing people with stuff like that in their profile. If someone has to actively hate on sex workers in their profile, that’s just off-putting

 

 

That looks like Grindr which is not for hiring providers. It’s against their policy and someone caught can get banned. 

I see providers I find somewhere like a Rentmen. I look for dates / whatever you want to call it on Grindr. I don’t look for dates on Rentmen and I don’t look for providers on Grindr. Nothing wrong IMHO with what the person in that post has said as it’s very annoying to think you’re speaking w someone about a date (no $ involved) and it then turns into something else and it happens very frequently. How would a provider feel is someone hit them up on Rentmen and said “I love your look, but let’s just go on a regular date or hookup, and I won’t pay you anything”? 

Why is this person’s post offensive? He is not saying “I hate providers”. He is saying don’t contact me if you’re a provider looking to be paid from meeting me. Grindr is also full of opportunists looking for a one off paid interaction even if they’re not technically providers ongoing, and maybe he means that too.

 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 4/29/2023 at 6:02 PM, NyGold said:

That looks like Grindr which is not for hiring providers. It’s against their policy and someone caught can get banned. 

I see providers I find somewhere like a Rentmen. I look for dates / whatever you want to call it on Grindr. I don’t look for dates on Rentmen and I don’t look for providers on Grindr. Nothing wrong IMHO with what the person in that post has said as it’s very annoying to think you’re speaking w someone about a date (no $ involved) and it then turns into something else and it happens very frequently. How would a provider feel is someone hit them up on Rentmen and said “I love your look, but let’s just go on a regular date or hookup, and I won’t pay you anything”? 

Why is this person’s post offensive? He is not saying “I hate providers”. He is saying don’t contact me if you’re a provider looking to be paid from meeting me. Grindr is also full of opportunists looking for a one off paid interaction even if they’re not technically providers ongoing, and maybe he means that too.

 

 

I was mainly posting that in the context of what you asked me in the prior post. In my case, I wasn’t “offended”  by it. But I “might” tell them that, just to let them know: they’re not winning any points with me, by making disparaging/snide remarks towards aspects of the profession. Regardless if it’s indirectly towards me, or amateurs doing it the wrong way.
 

Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying.

 

And if Grindr is so bad and full of opportunists, then maybe they don’t need to be there. Get off the phone, get out the house and meet guys in real life if it’s that much a bother. People on the forum love to tout “It’s part Of the business, you just gotta deal with it”. Well then, hunting for free sex on gay apps is also “Part of the business” that someone may ask for money or looking for a paid interaction.  (matter of fact, probably moreso in the men looking for women realm as there’s plenty of women who won’t sleep with a guy who doesn’t pay a bill or take them to dinner, etc).

And as for the RentMen client looking for a freebie: don’t even get me started. I could post so many text/Rentmen messages, this thread will run out of room and the forum will run out of bandwidth.

 

“Some” Rentmen/Adam4Adam “potential” clients have been trying to get free interactions for ages. Hell, I just went thru and re-did access to my private gallery and there were like 1,500 members wanting access to my private gallery. Some who never reached out to book an appointment. I have plenty of pictures already. The problem is, we can’t even say in our ads: “do not contact me unless you’re able to pay”. We have to be bubbly and positive. 
 

Yet majority of hookup ads I read, the person is jaded or saying something to imply they are fed up. Where’s the “stop complaining” brigade when you need them? Lol. 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying.

 

It’s false equivalency.

Like saying any escort asking for a deposit is really saying “I want to scam you” lol. Couldn’t resist. 

it’s not the same as saying no one of a specific race at all. Nor is he saying “no one who has ever escorted in their life or does so now even if it’s an unpaid encounter as I find you repulsive”.  He’s just saying he doesn’t want a paid experience.

You write page after page on here saying you end up wasting time with people who have no intention of hiring. Doesn’t it make it easier for you if someone tells you that isn’t for him in the first place?

Those hookup apps like Grindr are not for picking up clients. Maybe it happens but I would say 99% of people there are not looking for that when on there even if they look for it somewhere else. 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

21 minutes ago, NyGold said:

It’s false equivalency.

Like saying any escort asking for a deposit is really saying “I want to scam you” lol. Couldn’t resist. 

it’s not the same as saying no one of a specific race at all. Nor is he saying “no one who has ever escorted in their life or does so now even if it’s an unpaid encounter as I find you repulsive”.  He’s just saying he doesn’t want a paid experience.

You write page after page on here saying you end up wasting time with people who have no intention of hiring. Doesn’t it make it easier for you if someone tells you that isn’t for him in the first place?

Those hookup apps like Grindr are not for picking up clients. Maybe it happens but I would say 99% of people there are not looking for that when on there even if they look for it somewhere else. 

 

I get that…but again I’m talking in general, not just one person. When I look at the bigger picture, I believe hookup apps still play a partial role in the level of biz. I get what you’re saying, but I’m just going based on facts and what I see. 
 

I could easily say: “I’ll never go on those apps”. But it’s better to be in the know, than to not know at all. And I know for a fact, a lot of potential, past and current clients have used or are using those apps. I would be lying if I said, “no client has ever mentioned Grindr to me before”. They have. They aren’t ignorant. 
 

I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. 
 

It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. 
 

I feel like there was a sweet spot in the number of booking I was getting during the heights of Covid, and now it’s fizzled out. I have heard other sex workers say the same, that they were busier during Covid than they are now.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. 
 

It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. 
 

 

Your logic doesn’t make sense to me. 

If I’m seeking a masseur or professional I’m looking for a specific experience. I know I can’t typically get that on Grindr. I’m not looking to pay $300 just because I didn’t score when I was horny and spent 2 hours trying to find someone online. I’m sure that happens … but if that’s your competition guess what you have to work on changing the mindset of the person on the hookup ap to wanting the different experience otherwise guess what, while he’s talking you, figuring out you tricked him and now want money, he’ll find another hookup and go silent or he’ll just be annoyed and go silent and you’ll come on here and complain about its full of time wasters.

What’s the point about people complimenting your looks? So every handsome guy should just be able to make money based on that? So if you hit me up on Grindr or vice versa I need to pay you? 

And if there’s more competition on the sites designed for your business that’s a complaint too? Why not figure out how to compete?

And when you say you get dozens of hookup offers on Grindr (nothing unique - most of us can, may not want them all but it happens) and they’ll book you as long as it’s free … dude do you understand they’re not booking you!!! 

I don’t think anyone reading your posts thinks you’re complaining about lack of sex.  I believe they think what I do: you’re complaining about not making enough money and not being able to figure out how to do it from the way you operate and not being flexible or open minded enough to think about other ways to do it. 
 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

24 minutes ago, NyGold said:

Your logic doesn’t make sense to me. 

If I’m seeking a masseur or professional I’m looking for a specific experience. I know I can’t typically get that on Grindr. I’m not looking to pay $300 just because I didn’t score when I was horny and spent 2 hours trying to find someone online. I’m sure that happens … but if that’s your competition guess what you have to work on changing the mindset of the person on the hookup ap to wanting the different experience otherwise guess what, while he’s talking you, figuring out you tricked him and now want money, he’ll find another hookup and go silent or he’ll just be annoyed and go silent and you’ll come on here and complain about its full of time wasters.

What’s the point about people complimenting your looks? So every handsome guy should just be able to make money based on that? So if you hit me up on Grindr or vice versa I need to pay you? 

And if there’s more competition on the sites designed for your business that’s a complaint too? Why not figure out how to compete?

And when you say you get dozens of hookup offers on Grindr (nothing unique - most of us can, may not want them all but it happens) and they’ll book you as long as it’s free … dude do you understand they’re not booking you!!! 

I don’t think anyone reading your posts thinks you’re complaining about lack of sex.  I believe they think what I do: you’re complaining about not making enough money and not being able to figure out how to do it from the way you operate and not being flexible or open minded enough to think about other ways to do it. 
 

 

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone who hit me up, first. 
 

I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on business. I feel it’s most noticeable in smaller markets. In bigger cities, there’s usually enough diversity of men to offset that, but it’s not so much the case in certain markets. And in those areas, sometimes hookup apps is the only way to connect with men looking for sex. So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. 
 

That’s all I’m saying. No deep philosophical dissertation or debate needed. Just stating simple fact and observations.

[NyGold]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone

If that’s the case it suggests you go on for unpaid interaction … so what’s the complaint?  

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on

Everything affects business … even the weather. But then it would affect everyone equally surely. 

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

.So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. 

 

 

You just said it wasn’t your style … despite what you say here about you not initiating it.

No one is going to go on Grindr, see your profile and think “omg he’s going to be the best experience ever, even though this is designed for unpaid interaction I’m going to offer him $ out of the blue as he’s so amazing etc. “

So you are at some point bringing up the topic of payment, likely as a bait and switch.

[NyGold]

On 4/29/2023 at 10:32 AM, Simon Suraci said:

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

Depends how you define it … if you agree on a time and they say let’s keep going when that time is up  … and you either say you don’t want to book more or they volunteer “you don’t have to pay …” is that considered a freebie? That happens often - for me maybe 1/3 times. I think the expectation is you pay in tip (which is where it can get sneaky as the provider is relying on goodwill after unilaterally extending) or get converted to a repeat.

I’ve often turned down the offer for extra time … as I had another appointment or … I wasn’t actually that interested! 
 
 

[Simon Suraci]

1 hour ago, NyGold said:

Depends how you define it

I was thinking more in terms of extras that you would normally expect to pay more than the massage fee in terms of a different rate or à la carte. @NyGold what about those kinds of freebies?

Time is one way of offering a freebie. I do it at times, when I am able. I’ve touched on this elsewhere, but it’s not uncommon for me to go over on time, by a little bit, schedule permitting, and if the client is ok with going over. I do it when I feel it’s adding value to the client, not just time for time’s sake. In fact, I pride myself on offering 60/90/120 minutes as your minimum time on the table. Not getting dressed or showering or chit chatting or paying. Like, actual table time. I want my clients to value my work, feel that they’re getting all the benefits they want, and that I’m being fair.

For regulars, generous tippers, or people I really like for who they are as a person, I’m much more inclined to go the extra mile. I put in my best effort no matter who the client is, even if none of the above apply. Quality is always there. The extra quantity is the freebie.

Some clients really need a 90 min massage to address their specific problems, but they’re only booking a 60 min. I might do 75 min to show them they actually do need it and I can meet their needs better if they book the appropriate session. Yes, I want to earn more, but more importantly I want to meet the client’s needs, and sometimes that means a longer session and demonstrating that value to them. I don’t do this for clients already booking sessions appropriate for their needs. Some truly only need a 60 min and I don’t see a value to them booking more, so I don’t even go there.

The time component is one of the most valuable things I can offer. I do it as a matter of good business, to show goodwill and give the client more reasons to be loyal, refer me, and write positive reviews.

Sometimes I advertise weekly specials like 30 extra minutes free, mostly to attract new clients, but also bring the others out if the woodwork who haven’t seen me in months.

I don’t ask or expect to be tipped for extra time. If it was never discussed beforehand, I don’t think it’s fair to expect a client to pay more for extra time they didn’t ask for. Most clients don’t pay extra for going over, and that’s fine. I’d rather they be happy and return than pay more but see me only once or less frequently than they otherwise would.

Some clients are very high maintenance, demanding a lot of time from me before I even meet them, or afterwards. For example, one client booked three weeks ahead for a three hour session and texts me every day. No joke, every single day multiple times a day for over a week, to talk about random things, more session details, his fantasies, and his life experiences. Long drawn out conversations. I think I’ve spent at least double his session time already and that’s before we’ve even met. That’s a HUGE freebie, like ungodly generous. I wouldn’t do it at all if he wasn’t booking me for a longer, higher fee session. Honestly, I would rather give him an extra hour for free in person than deal with all the constant random texting and demands for my attention and thoughtful replies. It’s exhausting. I started putting off my responses to deal with more urgent matters for that day and get back later, but being polite obligates me to keep responding, gradually less and less until we’re down to me only “liking” messages that are not direct questions. He finally got the hint and promised to not text anymore until the appointment date. And then he does it anyway the very next day. 🙄 

Time is valuable, both on the table and off. If your masseur is being generous toward you with his time, especially if you’re demanding it in some form, I suggest being generous to him with how you tip. If you’re a low maintenance client (like most), then no, you shouldn’t feel obligated.

Other time freebies I offer are coaching on various topics. About 60% of my clients identify as something other than gay and a fraction of those need some support or information, or have questions about gay stuff. Some of them want direction or intro to gay culture, sex, dating, or other topics. Some need orgasm training, conscious breathwork, or various recommendations. I spend extra time with them offering advice, resources, and other things to meet their needs and curiosities outside of their massage time.

[Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Some clients are very high maintenance, demanding a lot of time from me before I even meet them, or afterwards. For example, one client booked three weeks ahead for a three hour session and texts me every day.

OMG…I have one of those. Can’t be the same guy because you and I are on different continents…but maybe my client is his brother or something. He texts every day. At first it was endearing, then it was mildly irritating, then I had to say to him…‘please no more texts!’…we can talk at your session’…but he still sent occasional texts.. I think he’s lonely. 

[sjmuktop]

I've never had an escort offer me a freebie session on initial contact or meeting, but I have had a couple of them offer me freebie sessions after an initial session that I paid them for, presumably because we had such a good connection that they were happy to see me for "fun" rather than as a "client". 

There is a Brazilian escort in London who I met initially as a paying client, and who I have subsequently had many hot sessions with and not had to pay. We have become friends and will once in a while meet up for coffee, go for walks in a park, have a few drinks in a bar or just have a nice afternoon or evening together chilling at his place. I don't pay for any of this, as we are friends. I only paid for the first session I had with him. As cringey as it may very well sound, it is a beautiful friendship and he has become one of the most special people in my life with a very special place in my heart.

I imagine this kind of thing happening between a client and escort is very rare. 

[Simon Suraci]

9 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I think he’s lonely.

True, this is quite common. I’m not surprised by having lonely clients. It comes with the territory and I have many. It’s the lack of boundaries that catches me off guard and eventually I have to set boundaries for the client if they aren’t picking up on the signals. I try to be generous and cordial ,but there is a limit.

[Jamie21]

1 minute ago, Simon Suraci said:

True, this is quite common. I’m not surprised by having lonely clients. It comes with the territory and I have many. It’s the lack of boundaries that catches me off guard and eventually I have to set boundaries for the client if they aren’t picking up on the signals. I try to be generous and cordial ,but there is a limit.

Definitely. I consider that for many clients it’s not the sexual activity that really matters it’s just having someone’s body close to you, some human touch, interaction and a chat and a smile. It’s actually a human necessity, like water, oxygen and food. 

[DWnyc]

7 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Definitely. I consider that for many clients it’s not the sexual activity that really matters it’s just having someone’s body close to you, some human touch, interaction and a chat and a smile. It’s actually a human necessity, like water, oxygen and food. 

Thank you for articulating this  - means you are aware of this dynamic and I’m sure you make a big difference to many peoples lives. 

I don’t consider myself in this category … yet … but I’m fully aware I may well be one day even if temporarily.

Boundaries of course must be set by providers and respected by clients @Simon Suraci.

 

[Jamie21]

9 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Thank you for articulating this  - means you are aware of this dynamic

Massage therapy! It works not only on the body but also the head and the heart. Truly holistic 🙂

[DWnyc]

On 4/28/2023 at 2:51 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

 

And then, the deposit discussion (if that’s the business model you’re criticizing me on).  Again, these are other people saying this, not me…

 

 

If I read this correctly the guy is saying he went from 2-3 bookings per day to completely dead days after asking for deposits?

doesn’t this mean the deposit model isn’t working for him?

[MuscleDaddyRWC]

So along the lines of a freebie, do any of y'all do an upgrade once in a while?  I had a masseur once do a sensual/erotic massage at his therapeutic price.

 

[Archangel]

I am by no means “hot.” 

But I try to be kind.

I explained once to an escort that I was booked with to go on a trip that circumstances had changed. I asked him if he minded not going on the trip and just staying at my place for a week. He said he preferred the trip and if I had to pay him afterwards, he trusted me to follow through although he said that’s bit him in the ass before. I then insisted I would pay him his fee regardless. I managed to sort things out so the trip was still on but I can’t help thinking genuine kindness on both sides Made that interaction more pleasant. 

[Simon Suraci]

6 hours ago, MuscleDaddyRWC said:

So along the lines of a freebie, do any of y'all do an upgrade once in a while?  I had a masseur once do a sensual/erotic massage at his therapeutic price.

 

I charge all the same price.