Have you ever done a freebie for a hot client

[+ APPLE1]

I have been offered freebies in the past, but:

1) It's never been from one of my regular providers. It's always been someone I saw while I was traveling. After reading some of the provider responses on here, that makes much more sense to me now. 

2) The offers have always come to me from masseurs. 

3) On all but one occasion, it's always had more conditions. Things like let's do dinner and then come back here, or let's go to X and then come back here, or let's hang out for a while and then have sex. 

4) Other than the one occasion, it's always been less massage and a significantly quicker transition into the extras. 

And, 5) I have paid $0. Not a discounted rate. I didn't charge them for wanting to spend time with me, and since THEY made the request, I didn't feel I owed them any fee. 

And no, I don't have a 6 pack or a 9" cock. No matter how crooked the kettle there's a cover to fit it. To that end, I have a look and presence that some find attractive, and others don't. 

 

[+ APPLE1]

5 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

That's a hard to quantify answer. 1) It depends on where and how often I travel (in all respects, I seem to have better luck with providers in the Midwest and Northwest). 2) I am certainly looking around less to hire in my "usual" cities because I've established "go to" providers. 3) After an initial client/provider relationship moved to a regular hookup relationship when I now, visit, I don't feel like I can count them.

I will know that as my age increased, the frequency has decreased (I know, that's a shocker 😉). I would estimate probably 1x every other year at this point.

[NyGold]

14 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

There seems to be an increase in freebie hunters. And freebies is the topic of this thread, so it’s not too off topic. Anyone don’t believe me, this is what I see in almost every other profile when someone hits me up on the “Goodwill” app. If I feel like it, I’ll write back: your profile is offensive, I’m not interested…

In fact, I am moving towards deleting it just for the mere fact that I don’t even like seeing people with stuff like that in their profile. If someone has to actively hate on sex workers in their profile, that’s just off-putting

 

 

That looks like Grindr which is not for hiring providers. It’s against their policy and someone caught can get banned. 

I see providers I find somewhere like a Rentmen. I look for dates / whatever you want to call it on Grindr. I don’t look for dates on Rentmen and I don’t look for providers on Grindr. Nothing wrong IMHO with what the person in that post has said as it’s very annoying to think you’re speaking w someone about a date (no $ involved) and it then turns into something else and it happens very frequently. How would a provider feel is someone hit them up on Rentmen and said “I love your look, but let’s just go on a regular date or hookup, and I won’t pay you anything”? 

Why is this person’s post offensive? He is not saying “I hate providers”. He is saying don’t contact me if you’re a provider looking to be paid from meeting me. Grindr is also full of opportunists looking for a one off paid interaction even if they’re not technically providers ongoing, and maybe he means that too.

 

 

[JB_Studio38]

On 4/29/2023 at 6:02 PM, NyGold said:

That looks like Grindr which is not for hiring providers. It’s against their policy and someone caught can get banned. 

I see providers I find somewhere like a Rentmen. I look for dates / whatever you want to call it on Grindr. I don’t look for dates on Rentmen and I don’t look for providers on Grindr. Nothing wrong IMHO with what the person in that post has said as it’s very annoying to think you’re speaking w someone about a date (no $ involved) and it then turns into something else and it happens very frequently. How would a provider feel is someone hit them up on Rentmen and said “I love your look, but let’s just go on a regular date or hookup, and I won’t pay you anything”? 

Why is this person’s post offensive? He is not saying “I hate providers”. He is saying don’t contact me if you’re a provider looking to be paid from meeting me. Grindr is also full of opportunists looking for a one off paid interaction even if they’re not technically providers ongoing, and maybe he means that too.

 

 

I was mainly posting that in the context of what you asked me in the prior post. In my case, I wasn’t “offended”  by it. But I “might” tell them that, just to let them know: they’re not winning any points with me, by making disparaging/snide remarks towards aspects of the profession. Regardless if it’s indirectly towards me, or amateurs doing it the wrong way.
 

Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying.

 

And if Grindr is so bad and full of opportunists, then maybe they don’t need to be there. Get off the phone, get out the house and meet guys in real life if it’s that much a bother. People on the forum love to tout “It’s part Of the business, you just gotta deal with it”. Well then, hunting for free sex on gay apps is also “Part of the business” that someone may ask for money or looking for a paid interaction.  (matter of fact, probably moreso in the men looking for women realm as there’s plenty of women who won’t sleep with a guy who doesn’t pay a bill or take them to dinner, etc).

And as for the RentMen client looking for a freebie: don’t even get me started. I could post so many text/Rentmen messages, this thread will run out of room and the forum will run out of bandwidth.

 

“Some” Rentmen/Adam4Adam “potential” clients have been trying to get free interactions for ages. Hell, I just went thru and re-did access to my private gallery and there were like 1,500 members wanting access to my private gallery. Some who never reached out to book an appointment. I have plenty of pictures already. The problem is, we can’t even say in our ads: “do not contact me unless you’re able to pay”. We have to be bubbly and positive. 
 

Yet majority of hookup ads I read, the person is jaded or saying something to imply they are fed up. Where’s the “stop complaining” brigade when you need them? Lol. 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

9 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

Even if I’m not advertising on the platform or doing the same that those other guys might be doing: why bring it up? If someone can’t post about getting “paid”, then they shouldn’t be able to post about “not” paying someone. It’s right up there with the “no fats, Blacks, or fems” slogan. Okay so non of those suit your preference? Fine. But they don’t need to ostracize an entire segment of people based on something they don’t like. Saying it’s “sad” and not giving “You” dollars is nothing short of belittling and bullying.

 

It’s false equivalency.

Like saying any escort asking for a deposit is really saying “I want to scam you” lol. Couldn’t resist. 

it’s not the same as saying no one of a specific race at all. Nor is he saying “no one who has ever escorted in their life or does so now even if it’s an unpaid encounter as I find you repulsive”.  He’s just saying he doesn’t want a paid experience.

You write page after page on here saying you end up wasting time with people who have no intention of hiring. Doesn’t it make it easier for you if someone tells you that isn’t for him in the first place?

Those hookup apps like Grindr are not for picking up clients. Maybe it happens but I would say 99% of people there are not looking for that when on there even if they look for it somewhere else. 

 

[JB_Studio38]

21 minutes ago, NyGold said:

It’s false equivalency.

Like saying any escort asking for a deposit is really saying “I want to scam you” lol. Couldn’t resist. 

it’s not the same as saying no one of a specific race at all. Nor is he saying “no one who has ever escorted in their life or does so now even if it’s an unpaid encounter as I find you repulsive”.  He’s just saying he doesn’t want a paid experience.

You write page after page on here saying you end up wasting time with people who have no intention of hiring. Doesn’t it make it easier for you if someone tells you that isn’t for him in the first place?

Those hookup apps like Grindr are not for picking up clients. Maybe it happens but I would say 99% of people there are not looking for that when on there even if they look for it somewhere else. 

 

I get that…but again I’m talking in general, not just one person. When I look at the bigger picture, I believe hookup apps still play a partial role in the level of biz. I get what you’re saying, but I’m just going based on facts and what I see. 
 

I could easily say: “I’ll never go on those apps”. But it’s better to be in the know, than to not know at all. And I know for a fact, a lot of potential, past and current clients have used or are using those apps. I would be lying if I said, “no client has ever mentioned Grindr to me before”. They have. They aren’t ignorant. 
 

I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. 
 

It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. 
 

I feel like there was a sweet spot in the number of booking I was getting during the heights of Covid, and now it’s fizzled out. I have heard other sex workers say the same, that they were busier during Covid than they are now.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Jarrod_Uncut

[NyGold]

1 hour ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m not saying it’s dooms day, but I am saying: it has an EFFECT to a DEGREE on the level of business. I should be very busy with lots of calls in Kansas City. Heck, I went out to the store yesterday and got 2 compliments on my beard, and it wasn’t from gay men. I know it’s not necessarily something “wrong” with me, but instead: a bigger force that I can’t always compete against. Not to mention, the already increasing “competition” on the rent websites. 
 

It’s only so many times I can sit and blame myself, and take other people’s advice: before realizing and understanding sometimes the issue is bigger than me. I can go on Grindr and get dozens of hookup offers, and they’ll wait to book me in advance: long as it’s free. I can find them in big cities and small towns. My “complaints” (as some people like to lower them to) on the forum are not about a lack of sex. It’s the system. 
 

 

Your logic doesn’t make sense to me. 

If I’m seeking a masseur or professional I’m looking for a specific experience. I know I can’t typically get that on Grindr. I’m not looking to pay $300 just because I didn’t score when I was horny and spent 2 hours trying to find someone online. I’m sure that happens … but if that’s your competition guess what you have to work on changing the mindset of the person on the hookup ap to wanting the different experience otherwise guess what, while he’s talking you, figuring out you tricked him and now want money, he’ll find another hookup and go silent or he’ll just be annoyed and go silent and you’ll come on here and complain about its full of time wasters.

What’s the point about people complimenting your looks? So every handsome guy should just be able to make money based on that? So if you hit me up on Grindr or vice versa I need to pay you? 

And if there’s more competition on the sites designed for your business that’s a complaint too? Why not figure out how to compete?

And when you say you get dozens of hookup offers on Grindr (nothing unique - most of us can, may not want them all but it happens) and they’ll book you as long as it’s free … dude do you understand they’re not booking you!!! 

I don’t think anyone reading your posts thinks you’re complaining about lack of sex.  I believe they think what I do: you’re complaining about not making enough money and not being able to figure out how to do it from the way you operate and not being flexible or open minded enough to think about other ways to do it. 
 

 

[JB_Studio38]

24 minutes ago, NyGold said:

Your logic doesn’t make sense to me. 

If I’m seeking a masseur or professional I’m looking for a specific experience. I know I can’t typically get that on Grindr. I’m not looking to pay $300 just because I didn’t score when I was horny and spent 2 hours trying to find someone online. I’m sure that happens … but if that’s your competition guess what you have to work on changing the mindset of the person on the hookup ap to wanting the different experience otherwise guess what, while he’s talking you, figuring out you tricked him and now want money, he’ll find another hookup and go silent or he’ll just be annoyed and go silent and you’ll come on here and complain about its full of time wasters.

What’s the point about people complimenting your looks? So every handsome guy should just be able to make money based on that? So if you hit me up on Grindr or vice versa I need to pay you? 

And if there’s more competition on the sites designed for your business that’s a complaint too? Why not figure out how to compete?

And when you say you get dozens of hookup offers on Grindr (nothing unique - most of us can, may not want them all but it happens) and they’ll book you as long as it’s free … dude do you understand they’re not booking you!!! 

I don’t think anyone reading your posts thinks you’re complaining about lack of sex.  I believe they think what I do: you’re complaining about not making enough money and not being able to figure out how to do it from the way you operate and not being flexible or open minded enough to think about other ways to do it. 
 

 

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone who hit me up, first. 
 

I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on business. I feel it’s most noticeable in smaller markets. In bigger cities, there’s usually enough diversity of men to offset that, but it’s not so much the case in certain markets. And in those areas, sometimes hookup apps is the only way to connect with men looking for sex. So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. 
 

That’s all I’m saying. No deep philosophical dissertation or debate needed. Just stating simple fact and observations.

[NyGold]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

First of all: I wouldn’t be hitting anyone up on Grindr asking to pay me. That’s not even my style. I was posting a profile of someone

If that’s the case it suggests you go on for unpaid interaction … so what’s the complaint?  

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I can’t continue arguing and explaining how hookup apps affect the industry indirectly, but I do understand the potential effects it has on

Everything affects business … even the weather. But then it would affect everyone equally surely. 

 

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

.So, in those cases, it’s not out of the question to just post up and BE AVAILABLE to the POSSIBILITY of meeting a POTENTIAL client from that Avenue. I’ve done it before, many times. And I don’t hit them up, I wait for them to hit me up. 

 

 

You just said it wasn’t your style … despite what you say here about you not initiating it.

No one is going to go on Grindr, see your profile and think “omg he’s going to be the best experience ever, even though this is designed for unpaid interaction I’m going to offer him $ out of the blue as he’s so amazing etc. “

So you are at some point bringing up the topic of payment, likely as a bait and switch.

[NyGold]

On 4/29/2023 at 10:32 AM, Simon Suraci said:

How frequently do masseurs initiate/offer you freebies? 

Depends how you define it … if you agree on a time and they say let’s keep going when that time is up  … and you either say you don’t want to book more or they volunteer “you don’t have to pay …” is that considered a freebie? That happens often - for me maybe 1/3 times. I think the expectation is you pay in tip (which is where it can get sneaky as the provider is relying on goodwill after unilaterally extending) or get converted to a repeat.

I’ve often turned down the offer for extra time … as I had another appointment or … I wasn’t actually that interested! 
 
 

[+ Jamie21]

2 hours ago, Simon Suraci said:

Some clients are very high maintenance, demanding a lot of time from me before I even meet them, or afterwards. For example, one client booked three weeks ahead for a three hour session and texts me every day.

OMG…I have one of those. Can’t be the same guy because you and I are on different continents…but maybe my client is his brother or something. He texts every day. At first it was endearing, then it was mildly irritating, then I had to say to him…‘please no more texts!’…we can talk at your session’…but he still sent occasional texts.. I think he’s lonely. 

[sjmuktop]

I've never had an escort offer me a freebie session on initial contact or meeting, but I have had a couple of them offer me freebie sessions after an initial session that I paid them for, presumably because we had such a good connection that they were happy to see me for "fun" rather than as a "client". 

There is a Brazilian escort in London who I met initially as a paying client, and who I have subsequently had many hot sessions with and not had to pay. We have become friends and will once in a while meet up for coffee, go for walks in a park, have a few drinks in a bar or just have a nice afternoon or evening together chilling at his place. I don't pay for any of this, as we are friends. I only paid for the first session I had with him. As cringey as it may very well sound, it is a beautiful friendship and he has become one of the most special people in my life with a very special place in my heart.

I imagine this kind of thing happening between a client and escort is very rare. 

[+ Jamie21]

1 minute ago, Simon Suraci said:

True, this is quite common. I’m not surprised by having lonely clients. It comes with the territory and I have many. It’s the lack of boundaries that catches me off guard and eventually I have to set boundaries for the client if they aren’t picking up on the signals. I try to be generous and cordial ,but there is a limit.

Definitely. I consider that for many clients it’s not the sexual activity that really matters it’s just having someone’s body close to you, some human touch, interaction and a chat and a smile. It’s actually a human necessity, like water, oxygen and food. 

[DWnyc]

7 minutes ago, Jamie21 said:

Definitely. I consider that for many clients it’s not the sexual activity that really matters it’s just having someone’s body close to you, some human touch, interaction and a chat and a smile. It’s actually a human necessity, like water, oxygen and food. 

Thank you for articulating this  - means you are aware of this dynamic and I’m sure you make a big difference to many peoples lives. 

I don’t consider myself in this category … yet … but I’m fully aware I may well be one day even if temporarily.

Boundaries of course must be set by providers and respected by clients @Simon Suraci.

 

[+ Jamie21]

9 minutes ago, DWnyc said:

Thank you for articulating this  - means you are aware of this dynamic

Massage therapy! It works not only on the body but also the head and the heart. Truly holistic 🙂

[DWnyc]

On 4/28/2023 at 2:51 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

 

And then, the deposit discussion (if that’s the business model you’re criticizing me on).  Again, these are other people saying this, not me…

 

 

If I read this correctly the guy is saying he went from 2-3 bookings per day to completely dead days after asking for deposits?

doesn’t this mean the deposit model isn’t working for him?

[MuscleDaddyRWC]

So along the lines of a freebie, do any of y'all do an upgrade once in a while?  I had a masseur once do a sensual/erotic massage at his therapeutic price.

 

[Archangel]

I am by no means “hot.” 

But I try to be kind.

I explained once to an escort that I was booked with to go on a trip that circumstances had changed. I asked him if he minded not going on the trip and just staying at my place for a week. He said he preferred the trip and if I had to pay him afterwards, he trusted me to follow through although he said that’s bit him in the ass before. I then insisted I would pay him his fee regardless. I managed to sort things out so the trip was still on but I can’t help thinking genuine kindness on both sides Made that interaction more pleasant. 

[marylander1940]

I am sure this has happened before manhunt and before Grindr fatigue... Is it coming back? 

Who would an escort consider hot or not is up to his own taste! 

[big-n-tall]

There are escorts who have given me discounted rates over time, but I’ve never been offered a free session.

No escort has given me a freebie per se. However, one of my regulars, sometimes we’ll go on on extended trips partly as business and partly platonically. For example, I’ll pay for his services 3 days out of a 5 day trip. I pay for the travel and lodging. The other 2 are just hang out days and we do something those whole days non-sex related. He has told me we could have sex those days at no additional cost if I wanted. I have not taken advantage of that offer… yet. 

I also have a regular (as I mentioned on the forum before) who at this point no longer considers me as a client. We aren’t officially boyfriends but in some ways we kind of are. He stopped charging me a rate a long time ago and we’ll spend hours together. Since he has to travel a good distance to see me, I’ll will give him money for parking and tolls (he doesn’t ask for this), but nowhere near the rate he’d ask for the time we spend together. It’s a special relationship I’m very happy to have whatever it may be.

Edited May 7, 2023 by big-n-tall

[Archangel]

Tangential:

I hate Grindr.