Contacting Client for Repeat

[Guest Looking4MuscleInSD]

On 10/2/2022 at 5:21 PM, VersOral said:

This isn’t an out of town provider. His apartment is walking distance from my home. My point is he was expecting payment AGAIN with < 24 hours from the first session. I’m confident I made the right decision in my response, especially after sleeping on it and reading the responses here. 

Well, at least he is offering a second session. Something that is happening more and more frequently for me is that providers I’ve just hired once suddenly message me the next day or even same day, telling me they never do this, but felt a special connection with me and could I please send them more money via Venmo or PayPal so they can make a car payment, pay rent, or pay a car insurance premium for them. I block them immediately. 

[+ ThroatCummer]

35 minutes ago, Looking4MuscleInSD said:

Something that is happening more and more frequently for me....

....suddenly message me the next day or even same day, telling me they never do this, but felt a special connection with me and could I please send them more money via Venmo or PayPal so they can make a car payment, pay rent, or pay a car insurance premium for them. I block them immediately. 

You are hiring the wrong people man. DAMN. LOL. 😎

To the posts above, I almost the opposite as a client. Mostly and hesitate on reaching out and always try to minimize the interaction because I truly strive to respect everyone's time. To a fault sometimes -- I need to be more forward in what I want and need.

If there's an escort I really like or want to see, I generally keep track of their travel via RM and reach out when the time is right. If they reach out to me, then I know they're interested or respected me in our time together. 

In some weird way, I almost equate these interactions to a flight attendant in my mind since I travel so much. They deal with so much shit from the general public that they believe (rightfully so) the general public is horrible. Because that's true. No matter how much you're charging, if I can reduce the friction in our interaction, that's cool in my book. 

As a client I want to make you feel comfortable too, because the sex will just be better. Right? Just don't get crazy. Seems so simple.

[Guest]

On 10/2/2022 at 3:04 PM, DrownedBoy said:

He needed money, but has yet to understand that people with money usually have to follow a strict schedule. He got so persistent that I blocked him.

3 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Until the Great Socialist Revolution sweeps the U.S., this is not condescending. It's reality....the same reality I got taught when I was that kid's age.

My dude, just cause something you say is true, doesn't mean it can't be condescending. 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

6 hours ago, Looking4MuscleInSD said:

Well, at least he is offering a second session. Something that is happening more and more frequently for me is that providers I’ve just hired once suddenly message me the next day or even same day, telling me they never do this, but felt a special connection with me and could I please send them more money via Venmo or PayPal so they can make a car payment, pay rent, or pay a car insurance premium for them. I block them immediately. 

This is why I strive  to keep my expenses low (despite the difficulty in even that).

 

5 hours ago, ThroatCummer said:

You are hiring the wrong people man. DAMN. LOL. 😎

To the posts above, I almost the opposite as a client. Mostly and hesitate on reaching out and always try to minimize the interaction because I truly strive to respect everyone's time. To a fault sometimes -- I need to be more forward in what I want and need.

If there's an escort I really like or want to see, I generally keep track of their travel via RM and reach out when the time is right. If they reach out to me, then I know they're interested or respected me in our time together. 

In some weird way, I almost equate these interactions to a flight attendant in my mind since I travel so much. They deal with so much shit from the general public that they believe (rightfully so) the general public is horrible. Because that's true. No matter how much you're charging, if I can reduce the friction in our interaction, that's cool in my book. 

As a client I want to make you feel comfortable too, because the sex will just be better. Right? Just don't get crazy. Seems so simple.

 

Spot on here. And I was thinking to myself tonight, I think it’s time to start doing things differently. Being an escort at 35, I really feel the inclination to let go a lot of “standards”, and step outside the box and do things differently. I notice how companies constantly market to clients (like me lol). They aren’t waiting for clients to come to them, they are actively out there reaching out/responding/contacting potential clients.

I’m not insinuating escorting should turn into high pressured sales pitching (and unfortunately with the level of unscrupulous time wasting clients who will love the attention, and have NO INTENT to book, I would advise against that system), but…I believe if done properly, the escort can initiate things sometimes.
 

Hell, biz is SLOW. Few on the forum really want to admit it, but the industry is going thru a drought. Business is in the doldrums in multiple cities, and the only way I’m still making it is because I travel every other week/post in other cities weekly even when I’m not there yet, to keep my schedule busy.

However: my rules would be, no contacting the next day for a session…unless the client may have hinted. I would give at least a couple weeks to a month and generally on a “I’m back in town again” basis.

Also, I’m contacting clients who look at my RentMen Ad…but mainly the ones who I see looked at me more than once, and who are in a city I plan or currently in. 
 

I just booked a date with a client who I haven’t seen in a couple/few years. He looked at my profile, and his name/body looked familiar. I reached out to him, and he replied back and now we have something arranged. 

 

 

7 hours ago, DrownedBoy said:

Until the Great Socialist Revolution sweeps the U.S., this is not condescending. It's reality....the same reality I got taught when I was that kid's age.

That would be the least of our issues. This country needs some divine intervention. 
 

 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Marc in Calif]

On 10/2/2022 at 7:39 PM, pubic_assistance said:

I think "reading comprehension" is indeed the problem here. 

The only "reading comprehension" problem was your own. You originally responded to a client who told of an escort hitting him up the next day in a "pressing" and unwelcome way — so unwelcome that he did not want to go along with it.

You wrote this:

"I don't see anything wrong with a provider looking to secure a regular customer... As was stated above - this is a fairly normal business practice for out of town providers." 

You clearly didn't "comprehend" what the client had actually described. You tried to turn it into something benign and "fairly normal." 🙄

[Jamie21]

On 10/6/2022 at 10:03 AM, Jarrod_Uncut said:

And sometimes I feel clients do the same. They have limited schedules or don’t really contact with much room for planning, then fault us for being “late”. 

I simply don’t agree to client requests that I can’t do, so I turn down about 30% of enquiries because I’m not available and the client isn’t able to find an alternative time. That’s just too bad and I don’t get upset about it. Most people have busy schedules so it’s no surprise that if they book say 3pm then they want 3pm and not 3:15pm. Just turn up on time! It works both ways, if they’re late for me then I’m not hanging around. Over 10 minutes late and it’s cancelled. We reschedule if we’re both ok with that. 
 

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I would be very put off by the OP described. I don't get the sense that most people posting here are fabulously wealthy, so hiring is an indulgence that we enjoy and probably need to budget for. 

I am definitely open to providers we've seen before contacting us when they're in town. Sometimes it works financially and timing-wise, and that's awesome. Occasionally, I'll get what seems to be a "broadcast" text from a couple of providers who are offering discounts for massage in a certain period. Those are fine too. 

I have some regulars I follow and who follow me on Insta. But when I'm looking to hire I text them directly. Because even though we're friendly, it's still a business relationship. 

[jtwalker]

I use a burner phone.  I’m not trying to hide, but I like anonymity when dealing with strangers.

On occasion I’ve had someone reach out, but I never see it in time and don’t really care one way or the other.

I imagine that unexpected texts would get some married guys in trouble.  Probably not the best idea.

[pubic_assistance]

On 10/23/2022 at 5:38 PM, Marc in Calif said:

The only "reading comprehension" problem was your own. You originally responded to a client who told of an escort hitting him up the next day in a "pressing" and unwelcome way — so unwelcome that he did not want to go along with it.

You wrote this:

"I don't see anything wrong with a provider looking to secure a regular customer... As was stated above - this is a fairly normal business practice for out of town providers." 

You clearly didn't "comprehend" what the client had actually described. You tried to turn it into something benign and "fairly normal." 🙄

I made a comment about the GENERAL fact that there's nothing wrong about a provider doing a follow up.

I never said anything about how the client should feel or about being pushy.

You should seriously READ TWICE before you comment.

A lot falls through the cracks with you.

In general, there is nothing wrong with a follow up. All you have to do if there's a hard sell tactic to the follow up is click "DELETE".

Simple.

 

[Marc in Calif]

55 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

I made a comment about the GENERAL fact that there's nothing wrong about a provider doing a follow up.

I guess I'm flattered that you are only now (more than six weeks later) responding to one of my comments. But I'm not at all surprised. 😇

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Reading comprehension depends on context. In the context of a specific client describing a specific text from a specific provider at a very specific time interval after a session, your "GENERAL fact" will not be interpreted as very general at all. Maybe if you had prefaced your comment with "On the other hand, in general...", people would have understood your (proclaimed) intent.

But you didn't, and they didn't — as is clear from the responses to your comment in this thread. 

And the context in this situation was that (as one of the commenters in this thread put it) "Timing is everything."

Simple, right?

 

 

[pubic_assistance]

1 hour ago, Marc in Calif said:

I guess I'm flattered that you are only now (more than six weeks later) responding to one of my comments.

Just happened to notice your (as usual) snarky comment. But let's not clog up the conversation thread with our inability to communicate.

[+ Coolwave35]

4 hours ago, arnemgreeves said:

Do you live in the US? Is your state hardcore on keeping down escorting?

I live in a seasonal county on an island in America with horrible public transportation and such an inflated cost of living that even broke guys look elsewhere. 

Edited December 6, 2022 by Coolwave35

[+ glycine]

On 10/2/2022 at 2:28 PM, pubic_assistance said:

I don't see anything wrong with a provider looking to secure a regular customer. If you're not interested in another session so soon...just say no and say when are ARE ready for round two.

As was stated above - this is a fairly normal business practice for out of town providers who will notify their regulars they will be around at such-n-such a date. 

 

i agree ! I mean if anything its like you're getting a little free appetizer cuz its hot that they're texting you try to meet up again anyway. dont feel bad if you cant meet, just be happy that they enjoyed working with you

[+ glycine]

On 10/3/2022 at 3:57 AM, Jamie21 said:

Just don’t do it. If a client wants to see me they’ll be in touch. I don’t need to go asking for business fortunately. I don’t travel either so there’s no need to let anyone know I’m in town. 

Many clients are in relationships, some are in high profile roles, they want discretion. If I contact them that could jeopardise their situation. I think discretion is of utmost importance. 
 

yea i agree that its also probably safest to just not and wait till the client engages first. i HAVE had some past guys that would very clearly be messaging me when they were super fucked up, which was often, and it did get a bit annoying eventually lol. and just not a cute look!

[+ glycine]

On 12/6/2022 at 6:52 PM, Coolwave35 said:

I live in a seasonal county on an island in America with horrible public transportation and such an inflated cost of living that even broke guys look elsewhere. 

i live in an escort desert too its awful. like literally my one vice/luxury and i have to go flying around places to get it ahahaha

[pubic_assistance]

On 12/2/2022 at 4:40 PM, jcmiami1 said:

What he did was lower his fee and wouldn’t accept “no” for an answer. I know he’s new to this “profession” but this pushy apathetic behavior is totally unacceptable to me. I ended up blocking his number. Any suggestions on this situation?

It's unacceptable to you when people are in need ? When people offer you a discount ?

Harsh, dude.

Just say no.

 

 

[TorontoDrew]

I don't mind if an escort contacts me once after a session. More than that is an issue. I've had one guy who I've never met contact me multiple times. I don't k ow why I haven't blocked him.  

I do make an exception for regular hires.

[twb6yz]

Contact again or not, I've had cases where is was welcome and cases where it was not.

Going back to the original post however, I see several red flags.  He went for a massage and was upsold several times.  He said he wanted to "own" you.  And contacts you again the next day. 

You may have gone along and you definitely enjoyed it.  You may have gotten off on his talk, he could have been reading signals you were sending.

All together, with the upselling it seems he saw you as someone he could manipulate and push buttons for more money.  Okay as long as you're a willing participant.

[misterhumphries]

On 12/11/2022 at 10:40 AM, pubic_assistance said:

It's unacceptable to you when people are in need ? When people offer you a discount ?

Harsh, dude.

Just say no.

 

 

If you read his comment, he said no but the escort wasn't hearing him. Desperation is not attractive on either side of any encounter. 

But talking about repeats, I had a second session with a young Superman, literally. Tall, muscles for days. I had to cancel. He left the biz shortly thereafter. I've regretted it since then.

[cany10011]

I live in an escort oasis and have had 8 providers reach out with flirty greetings over the New Year and asking when I will be back to meet. I guess rent is due and holiday expenses are coming in. Always happy to hear from them even though we know it is just a transactional thing. Looking forward to reconnecting with them over the next weeks when I'll be back in nyc and before my work trip to the west coast in 2 weeks.

[+ DrownedBoy]

13 hours ago, cany10011 said:

I live in an escort oasis and have had 8 providers reach out with flirty greetings over the New Year and asking when I will be back to meet. I guess rent is due and holiday expenses are coming in. Always happy to hear from them even though we know it is just a transactional thing. Looking forward to reconnecting with them over the next weeks when I'll be back in nyc and before my work trip to the west coast in 2 weeks.

Yup. The last time random escorts started contacting me (with discounts) was when everyone got desperate at the start of the pandemic. I expect we'll see the same during this year's recession.

[Vulgarii]

When I'm really attracted to a client, and we played around and had a good time, I tell them straight out to contact me again soon and the session will be my treat. 

After so many years, that "method" has only worked with 2 guys, while the rest just prefer to come to me and pay me. Oh well, if they want to pay me when I clearly insinuated that I would F them for free, then by all means...

 

I understand that different men have their different reasons for paying, and some have told me it's the professional context that makes it okay for them versus something personal. They also don't feel guilty cheating on their partners if they are paying me. Whatever floats your boat!

[BodeBrentwood]

Well damn, this is illuminating to read all the stances. I would imagine a scenario like the OP of a pestering provider after the fact is a bit much-especially so quickly after the fact. But its also wild to read about everyone's different stances on messaging clients in the first place.

I live in a pretty saturated market where paying to get on the front page is not necessarily guaranteed to work out. Messaging a "hey" to someone vs sitting on your hands like its fishing both seem like not ideal scenarios? I guess it's all about what you're comfortable spending your money on to run an ad.

[DWnyc]

There are many inconsistent views on this, reflecting there’s no right answer.

I’ve received messages asking if I’m ok as they haven’t heard from me and the last session was fun etc (with no indication from me that there would be a next time and going against the holy grail of not referring to the time as fun for the provider etc) … or “just thought I’d let you know I’m running a special offer for prior / my preferred clients” etc or most frequently something like “ just “checking in do you need anything?”

I don’t see anything wrong with this - no different from say lawyers and accountants calling to check if you need anything - some firms offer biz dev budgets and time on staff calendars to focus on checking up on clients given how important it is when clients have so much choice. Everyone understands they’re not offering to bring you groceries or do your laundry when they ask if there’s anything they can help you with - and if you don’t you can ignore or politely decline.

 

[BaronArtz]

On 1/7/2023 at 9:44 AM, DrownedBoy said:

Yup. The last time random escorts started contacting me (with discounts) was when everyone got desperate at the start of the pandemic. I expect we'll see the same during this year's recession.

Interesting.  Lately, I have been receiving more solicitations from escorts and masseurs I hired before, with discount offers.  That didn't happen before.