I am frustrated on so many levels. Pigheaded Men

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Yeah, it’s me again. I know it’s getting old. But, I just don’t know what more do I need to say or do, to get people to do things sensibly. What kind of era are we living in right now? I don’t understand any of these clients these days.

Its the same thing I’ve rehearsed 150,00,000 times. People don’t book in advance, they don’t give me any sort of notice that a session is going to be taking place. I can literally sit around all day and all night with no appointments planned, and the minute I decide to do something like: EAT, or see a friend, someone wants to reach out to me to meet. Then we I try to plan it for any further than NOW, it’s always, “oh I can’t. I leave tomorrow.” Or some other lame overused response. Well then you should of not waited until the last minute. Do these people think we live to squeeze in their bad planning 🤷🏾‍♂️ 
 

I am so angry right now that I have only had 1 client last week: yet several texts up and down on my phone, and all the rest didn’t follow thru.  It’s very irritating and annoying. Now I have to argue and run people down for payment because I have proof on several messages, clients NAMING times for a booking, and then falling through on it (similar to how Elon Musk fell thru on Twitter..and notice how they aren’t backing down). 
 

It’s like every week I have to add another and another note to my profile: this week is, I AM NOT HOSTING SAME DAY APPOINTMENTS. People has no consideration or respect for my time or place if they think they can just call out the blue, and ask to come over when just moments ago, I didn’t even know they existed. 
 

Or, the clients who do contact once…vanish, and then come around again months later like it never happened. Then suddenly out the blue with extreme eager to meet right?? Like this one guy I told him off:

 

Do they seriously think I’m not going to notice their text from last year showing where they explicitly ignored a detailed message about specific details/questions? Like what the fuck?  
 

Where are clients learning this behavior from? I want to know that, today. Who? Who the fuck is teaching them that you set up stuff with professionals like this? Is this Midwest ignorance or is this all of America? I’m just so ready to leave my region and just go to a completely different state already. I’ve never dealt with so many stupid fucking people in such a span of time. I’ve noticed some areas seem a bit better than others, but I notice this across the board in many areas. Even some of the travelers do the same thing. They come to town, no plans or previous outreach and just expect me to be available.

I digress…it’s really sad. Then they don’t read ads so despite all the work I put in there, it don’t matter. Maybe I’m going to change my working name to: BESUREYOUHAVEREADMYADBEFOREYOUCONTACTMESOIDONTHAVETOSPENDTIMEONEXPLAININGEXACTLYWHATIEXPECTFROMYOU. Then I can advertise that I’m Russian or Ukrainian, that’s why my name is so long  🤦🏽‍♂️ 
 

Then when I talk to my outside friends about it, they’re no support. All they do is bad mouth the business (ironic huh, but no that’s not what I’m doing. I’m bad mouthing the lack of common sense, not the business) and give me no alternative except the usual. Yet, when it comes time for me to spend my money with them, they don’t stop and think about how I made it in the first place 🤔 

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[dbar123]

This cuts both ways. I’ve had plenty of providers who pull similar shit. Like not showing up or being totally late, coming unprepared, wanting to leave early, constantly checking their phone etc.

I had one escort who wouldn’t ejaculate because he was saving it for another client later in the evening. A bit of a buzz kill.

And don’t get me started on the number of guys who I’ve seen that couldn’t sustain an erection.

My last big pet peeve- seeing an escort incall and finding out that their place is a disgusting shithole

[+ MakeMeCowboy]

There is bad behavior on both sides of this equation and, most likely, we've taught one another.

[+ KensingtonHomo]

I feel like digital communications, whether texting or social media, have resulted in us dehumanizing each other. I find this to be more the case with people younger than me (I'm Gen X), who created "ghosting." And I think that general disregard for each other show's up horribly in service based businesses. 

[Bucky]

"You're a lousy control freak if you freak out over things you can't control."

Richard M Nixon

Edited August 8, 2022 by Bucky

[Jamie21]

11 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I digress…it’s really sad. Then they don’t read ads so despite all the work I put in there, it don’t matter. Maybe I’m going to change my working name to: BESUREYOUHAVEREADMYADBEFOREYOUCONTACTMESOIDONTHAVETOSPENDTIMEONEXPLAININGEXACTLYWHATIEXPECTFROMYOU. Then I can advertise that I’m Russian or Ukrainian, that’s why my name is so long  🤦🏽‍♂️ 

You’ll be pleased (in an ironic way) to hear that I'm currently engaged in a conversation by text with a prospective client. The ‘conversation’ has extended over a few months  (big gaps between his responses, sometimes they’re instant, sometimes a few weeks pass), and I think I’ve answered the same question at least 4 times. I’ve also given my website twice, declined to offer a discount twice and sent a pic. He’s still thinking about it. I guess it doesn’t take me long to tap out a quick reply but it is tiresome, and if he does eventually book (I give it 10% chance) I know exactly what the session will be like! 

[+ nycman]

 

 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Jamie21 said:

You’ll be pleased (in an ironic way) to hear that I'm currently engaged in a conversation by text with a prospective client. The ‘conversation’ has extended over a few months  (big gaps between his responses, sometimes they’re instant, sometimes a few weeks pass), and I think I’ve answered the same question at least 4 times. I’ve also given my website twice, declined to offer a discount twice and sent a pic. He’s still thinking about it. I guess it doesn’t take me long to tap out a quick reply but it is tiresome, and if he does eventually book (I give it 10% chance) I know exactly what the session will be like! 

I wouldn’t go for that myself. That is why I have started consultation fees for new clients, to avoid things like this. It’s always when I back off and don’t follow my own protocols, that one thing leads to the next. I’m supposed to not even be allowing contact at all with these people, until they have sent me money to discuss. Because I can’t trust them to do things EVER without receiving money upfront. You can’t. I have trusted them over and over and over. All it happens is, you get a booking request for a session from such clients, THAT NEVER HAPPENS. 
 

I try to be nice and work with people and not be so tough, but it never works. Now I have to go right back to the usual routine.

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[Jarrod_Uncut]

2 hours ago, Bucky said:

"You're a lousy control freak if your freak out over things you can't control."

Richard M Nixon

I feel some of it can be controlled. I just wrote a stern email to one site (not rentmen) about how I feel it’s very unfair and pointless to advertise on the site and not be able to post our rates.

Some of these clients are not following thru because they have no idea how much we are charging. One “client” (who is now blacklisted on the “number”) had the nerve to tell me my rate was too expensive. Yet he expected me to drive 2 hours to a city that I advertise “nearby travel” in (and not for a lousy $100) get a hotel to host (because he wasn’t). 
 

The nerve, to call me expensive? Really. These people have no clue or idea what kind of service they are contacting and asking for, and don’t even have regard for the amount of work and money on our part, that is required to do it. It is highly frustrating. 

8 hours ago, dbar123 said:

This cuts both ways. I’ve had plenty of providers who pull similar shit. Like not showing up or being totally late, coming unprepared, wanting to leave early, constantly checking their phone etc.

I had one escort who wouldn’t ejaculate because he was saving it for another client later in the evening. A bit of a buzz kill.

And don’t get me started on the number of guys who I’ve seen that couldn’t sustain an erection.

My last big pet peeve- seeing an escort incall and finding out that their place is a disgusting shithole

Those people have to be dealt with accordingly, but as someone said: one teaches the other. When people call at the last minute, no sort of notice: can you even expect to get clean sheets? Should a person want to cum for a client who called 30 minutes ago, same day notice…or should they cum for the client who booked more in advance for the longer session? 
 

There’s a saying: you get what you ask for. Lot of these clients ask for shit on a stick, so they get shit on a stick. You call me late: I’m going to show up late. You don’t want to give me time to get prepared, then I won’t be prepared. If the client shows up unprepared, in areas where they “should” be prepared: I’m not going to stay longer than necessary.

 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[coriolis888]

13 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m bad mouthing the lack of common sense, not the business)

You are a bright guy.  I thought you already knew that common sense is not common.

[+ StLouisOct]

I must say that my initial response to your numerous complaints over the past many months is, “Why continue?” Life as an escort sure seems to make you continually frustrated and irritated. 🤔

[Jarrod_Uncut]

8 hours ago, StLouisOct said:

I must say that my initial response to your numerous complaints over the past many months is, “Why continue?” Life as an escort sure seems to make you continually frustrated and irritated. 🤔

Because these type of things tend to come and go. Couple weeks ago I was counting over $1,000 over a course of a couple or so days. It’s not a constant state of struggle. It’s periodic times dealing in markets that are lacking the sustainability needed. And since I can’t just pick up and move across the country at ease with everything going on that could spell “lockdown” “monkey pox pandemic” or “recession”, I am limited in my options of immediate solutions. In the meantime, the business is still paying my bills, and other miscellaneous spending.

It's also an enjoyable replacement to my sex life, because I can't stand being on "hookup apps" trolling for endless sex and "dates" for free with people who I stand little chance of making a relationship, let alone a friend. So I do enjoy the intimacy part of the biz, but it's the muck involved with setting things up that has gotten a bit more difficult.

That’s not necessarily a problem with me or the business, it’s moreso having to deal with particular people like that. That’s why I say pigheaded men, not pigheaded escort business.

It’s like if I worked in a store: I may do fine any other time and day, but if it’s “just” the Monday window shopper crowd that makes it miserable, that doesn’t mean I need to get out of that particular business. It’s just that time of week and day that I find is a struggle to work in the store.
 

I also mentioned somewhere in another thread the reasons why. As many people are who “work”, even other industries, it’s not always easy to just say “I’ll quit” when you have to handle things week to week. 

It’s not a matter of whether I should leave or continue, it’s a more so a factor of making sure there’s respect and understanding going on.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[pubic_assistance]

I might point out that any businessperson who deals with the general public has to COPE with the occasional ups and downs of income and a fluctuating reality of crazy people / nice people / regular customers and disappearing souls. I don't know how most anyone does it. I only work via referrals and I still end up with the occasional nut job.

Edited August 9, 2022 by pubic_assistance

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

I might point out that any businessperson who deals with the general public has to COPE with the occasional ups and downs of income and a fluctuating reality of crazy people / nice people / regular customers and disappearing souls. I don't know how most anyone does it. I only work via referrals and I still end up with occasional nut job.

i think the biggest issue is the money. As I mentioned, some of these guys are flaking because they don’t have an idea how much an escort/Nude masseur charges. They probably know a guy at a gym or spa who charged them $70/80 and then expects the same from someone who’s paying to be on a site and traveling to cities full time. 

I’m going to have to write to RentMen next because they’re not doing enough to educated clients as it is. For me to have to make my own website and pay an additional amount each month, to educate clients proves right there that some of it lies on the fault of the advertising platform.

Then again, some of it probably just the quality of these guys. They’re probably already coming from a low quality state of mind. The fact that most can’t host, goes to show they’re in the position to only be able to have sex if they can go to another man’s place versus their own. Then, they don’t even have the decency to give any sort of notice, which goes to show additionally they have 0 respect for the other persons space or schedule. Which likely proves they go a long time before actually getting any. Because how many people out here can really host on super short notice? Not many I know. Even people with their own place aren’t keen on having unexpected company round the clock.

That’s why no more same day hosting appointments will be allowed in my home base cities. 

Edited August 8, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Yukon21]

I agree with StLoiusOct.  You should get out of the business.  If you communicate with potential clients the way you come across on most of your posts its no wonder you have a low booking rate.  Frankly you come off as a huge drama queen and its very unappealing.  Now Ive said what many are probably thinking.

[ShyBi95]

If asking for same day or within a few hours, I fully expect that the answer is likely no. If yes, great. I do think it also goes both ways as some escorts book and then cancel/ghost last minute. Or have been up all night/seen several clients so know full well they can’t do what the client asks for but books anyways and still expects their full rate. 
 

There are assholes in every group who ruin it or give the bad reputation 🤣

[+ azdr0710]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Because these type of things tend to come and go.

 

Check in with us in a couple weeks or so when business is good!......

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, Yukon21 said:

I agree with StLoiusOct.  You should get out of the business.  If you communicate with potential clients the way you come across on most of your posts its no wonder you have a low booking rate.  Frankly you come off as a huge drama queen and its very unappealing.  Now Ive said what many are probably thinking.

I’m actually relieved you said that, so we can get it out of the way. I was “waiting” for a nasty reply to come out the woodwork. And congrats, you’re the first. Thank you. Because that simply deciphers those who really understand versus those like you (pigheaded) who instead of looking at solutions, rather ignore the facts and simply blame the provider. 

And FYI, low booking rate? What is YOUR booking rate? How many clients did you get this year and how much you made? Tell me that…and we can talk about my low booking rate.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Jarrod_Uncut]

34 minutes ago, azdr0710 said:

Check in with us in a couple weeks or so when business is good!......

I hope so…

Sometimes the by-product of “health scares” is people may be cautious. But instead of going about things sensibly, they ask for appointments which they know they have no real intent on keeping. Or they are very lazy about it: don’t want to follow instructions, directions, or requests. Or too stingy to want to come out of pocket. Expect the world on a platter (a hot, horny escort with a big dick who can host them TODAY and give them a massage), but gives a hard time doing what the provider asks.

But this is great because it just means I need to stick with what I was doing all along, and not stray from it. Auto-replies and deposits. Rinse and repeat. It gets boring but, better than wasting time and hope on imbeciles who half ass go thru with things, which frustrates me and then I have to talk about it here 😆 . 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Jarrod_Uncut

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

The ‘conversation’ has extended over a few months  (big gaps between his responses, sometimes they’re instant, sometimes a few weeks pass), and I think I’ve answered the same question at least 4 times. I’ve also given my website twice, declined to offer a discount twice and sent a pic. He’s still thinking about it.

You're a better person than me. I hope your patience is rewarded! 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

1 hour ago, Dante said:

You're a better person than me. I hope your patience is rewarded! 

In my experience, usually not. Back when I was younger and had more patience with craigslist: I used to be okay dealing with people like that, with the exception that at least I was getting a steady stream of clients. 

But even if they do come around eventually: it's usually just 1 time, and then they fall right back into that flaky cycle. One client found out the hard way last year. I used to just tolerate it, but I told him off and turned down his lousy "discount". They go 5, even 10 YEARS without seeing you, and want to bring up "that's more than what I used to see you for". You think? 

 

[+ StLouisOct]

12 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

I’m actually relieved you said that, so we can get it out of the way. I was “waiting” for a nasty reply to come out the woodwork. And congrats, you’re the first. Thank you. Because that simply deciphers those who really understand versus those like you (pigheaded) who instead of looking at solutions, rather ignore the facts and simply blame the provider. 

And FYI, low booking rate? What is YOUR booking rate? How many clients did you get this year and how much you made? Tell me that…and we can talk about my low booking rate.

Gad the irony! I thought Yukon21 provided some objective observation and I see his point that your attitude could turn off many clients. Your response inspired me to look up the definition of “pigheaded.” The dictionary tells me it means “stupidly obstinate” as in “I was too pigheaded  to listen.”

Edited August 9, 2022 by StLouisOct

[Jamie21]

3 hours ago, Dante said:

You're a better person than me. I hope your patience is rewarded

So do I!! I’m keeping with this one because it’s quite entertaining. My sideline to sex work is writing. I’m gathering plenty of material from my exchanges with him. If the meet goes ahead I reckon it will be an interesting one.

[Jamie21]

8 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

So do I!! I’m keeping with this one because it’s quite entertaining. My sideline to sex work is writing. I’m gathering plenty of material from my exchanges with him. If the meet goes ahead I reckon it will be an interesting one.

He’s messaged again…more pics. Is calling me ‘mate’. So it’s obviously not a gay sex situation he’s looking for 😂😂

[NJF]

8 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

So do I!! I’m keeping with this one because it’s quite entertaining. My sideline to sex work is writing. I’m gathering plenty of material from my exchanges with him. If the meet goes ahead I reckon it will be an interesting one.

We may need a new subforum here just for you to post your writing.